Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[mike14]

You traded for Pinto and he’s not in your lineup.

Pinto just provides locker room synergy...

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

This bottom 6

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[jaywills1020]

Panarin has the best shot on the team and a top 10 wrist shot in the league. “just shoot it” is good advice for him and really bad advice for others.

Top 10 wrist shot in the league? I agree that he has a good shot but he’s be lucky to crack the top 25. “Just shoot it” I think could be more of a mindset for zibanejad same as it has for panarin. Can’t score if you don’t shoot.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Coyotes get Zac Jones
Rangers get Jack McBain

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Cap hit 1.59 next summer and RFA

 

[huerter]

Maybe Panarin shooting so much is why he's been on the ice for 39 goals against at even strength which is most on the team, even more than Trouba/Miller who play 3 min more per game at even strength.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Agree Serav = clickbait, not likely on the table
BUT
possible if enuf profit
ducks added potential star W so MAYBE he is available sooner than later
[wants to come to NYR at some pt

no to OP
overpay nec but Rs can only do if the correct currency, which is

Shesty, Othmann, Sykora, Goodrow + Bonino
for
Zegras + Vatrano + Perrault + Helleson + Ducks 2024 2nd + 3rd + SJ 3RD

{5 bodies for 4, ballpark 10 cap each way}

why ANA
Ducks get an elite Vez level G to replace Gibson, who can be sold to the highest bidder -- presum Oil.
Zeg is more valuable as a pivot, but Oth + Syk are not chopped liver
Oth = young replacement for Vats
Goodrow overpaid half to a mil but useful championship experience and can be flipped after tutoring young uns
Bonino otherwise useless but 1 imp skill besides blocking shots; very good on FOs and this I can see Duck braintrust finding useful for half a yr
ANA drafted well, embarrassment of riches on D, can afford to include Helleson [who was a 2nd rounder] + their own 2nd this yr and the 3rds

Rangers gamble Garand available sooner than later
Quick + Domingue immediately, give Gar cup o coffee +
Zegras = young pivot they need
Helleson = righty RD they need for RD depth also if cap forces them to move Trouba

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Follow this up w/DET
Lindgren + Jones + pick 2024 4th
for
Rassmussen for 2025 3rd

why DET: need D, can spare Ras
why NY: add useful 4C, force play Robertson, Scanlin pushes at camp and Fortescue 1-2 yrs away

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And finally
LaF + Perrault x 2 + Wheeler + Vesey
for
Sanderson + Pinto + acceptable picks

Why OTT
too much profit to turn down
they effed themselves and have to forfeit a 1st over next 3 yrs
getting high talent w/Fr background is huge marketing for Ontario province, competes w/Habs
Pinto is getting rid of a headache, not sure he gets to Rs roster this yr
Wheeler + Vesey included b'c someone on our board said Sens wanted to add vets to show youth how to play

this is a crapshoot, there is no way to know who the best player will be here when all is said and done, but even w/LaF now fully obviously skating well, contributing, etc, this is a chance to lock up a possible top pair LD for 8 yrs after this
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All said and done:

Kreider - Zegras - Zib
bread - Trochek - Vatrano
Cuyle - Chytil - Kakko
Rempe - Rasmussen - Edstrom

Brodzinski + Pitlick = reserves

Sanderson - Fox
KAM - Schneider
Gust/Rob - Trouba

Quick - Domingue-Garand

only downside is this shoots Rs wad, nothing left for run at Byfield

This makes us SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE….hell no to any of these LOL

 

[RangersFan1994]

With the lack of RW depth, why hasn't the Rangers encouraged the prospects with the idea of playing both wings, especially RW??

 

[kovazub94]

Sorry, but no way I bring Chytil back just for the playoffs in his condition.....best thing for him is to heal until next season.

K, doc

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

With the lack of RW depth, why hasn't the Rangers encouraged the prospects with the idea of playing both wings, especially RW??

Because unless they themselves have control of them, they don't really have any say in where they play.

the current lineup has 2 LW's playing on the RW (Laf and Cuylle) so they're doing it.

 

[McRanger92]

No, Panarin and Zibanejad has not worked.

I think it would work with Lafreniere

 

[kovazub94]

Fast and Zuccarello disagree.

It's interesting you mentioned these two. Let's keep them in mind someone mentions not signing 30 yo to an extension since at least partially the reason these two were shipped was concern about their performance levels and with the hindsight we can say that they levels held up pretty nicely for the extent of their post-Rangers contracts.

 

[bernmeister]

The Zegras ask would be for K'Andre Miller to be involved. They aren't going to want Kraapo Kakko or Fil "gone home to rehabilitate" Chytil.

none of these 3 can be on the table

You traded for Pinto and he’s not in your lineup.

he is suspended, would be so if deal wuz done tom.
some rumors say its due to gambling
IF that is true, he has to get himself straightened out before playing anywhere
basically atm we are trading for his rights

This makes us SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE….hell no to any of these LOL

Disagree
ferociously, vociferously
We are giving up 4 high end assets -- Shesty, LaF, Othmann, Perrault
and multiple assets notch below [other Perrault, late 1sts]

In exchange we get
- high end pivot asset [Zegras] who wants to be here, will do a Fox and work his ass off and is signed nice for 3 yrs
- high end LD immediately on final elc yr now and extended 8 yrs [Sanderson]
- proven sniper Vatrano thru next yr, possibly more
- Helleson who is like possibly another Trouba [huge RD]
- multiple good 2nd + 3rd picks to try and reset
- dump some cap hits we wanna move

We did this w'o surrendering Kakko [proven to work w/Chytil], Chytil, KAM etc

get real
stop w/something for nothing

need to stop w/rentals, policy of ad hoc adds that typically don't work or we can't keep due to cap

BUILD WITH FOUNDATION PIECES
for once, peeps, listen to bern

cue from "The Stranger" by Billy Joel
"... he is not always evil, and he is not always wrong".

 

[duhmetreE]

You traded for Pinto and he’s not in your lineup.

I love how that's the sticking point

 

[McRanger92]

I dont think I want to trade for Zegras when he'll probably request one here when his contract is up

 

[mas0764]

If it’s an off season trade, I wonder if you can do something around Lindgren.

That’s about as much as I’d really be willing to do. He’s a good player who gets way too much love because he pulls off a Michigan every now and then.

Well he scored 60 points two seasons in a row as a 20 and 21 year old. That counts for something.

He has work to do but the scoring ability is baked in.

Lindgren for Zegras is exactly the type of deal I’d want for Lindgren. Miller moves up to first pair. Gustafson moves to second pair. Go hunting for a third pair D or promote Robertson.

 

[Rangers in 7]

none of these 3 can be on the table


he is suspended, would be so if deal wuz done tom.
some rumors say its due to gambling
IF that is true, he has to get himself straightened out before playing anywhere
basically atm we are trading for his rights



Disagree
ferociously, vociferously
We are giving up 4 high end assets -- Shesty, LaF, Othmann, Perrault
and multiple assets notch below [other Perrault, late 1sts]

In exchange we get
- high end pivot asset [Zegras] who wants to be here, will do a Fox and work his ass off and is signed nice for 3 yrs
- high end LD immediately on final elc yr now and extended 8 yrs [Sanderson]
- proven sniper Vatrano thru next yr, possibly more
- Helleson who is like possibly another Trouba [huge RD]
- multiple good 2nd + 3rd picks to try and reset
- dump some cap hits we wanna move

We did this w'o surrendering Kakko [proven to work w/Chytil], Chytil, KAM etc

get real
stop w/something for nothing

need to stop w/rentals, policy of ad hoc adds that typically don't work or we can't keep due to cap

BUILD WITH FOUNDATION PIECES
for once, peeps, listen to bern

cue from "The Stranger" by Billy Joel
"... he is not always evil, and he is not always wrong".

dude your obssession with trading laf is hilarious, you talk about resetting then you want to trade our 3 best young assests.....if you wanted to trade zibs, kreider, trouba, etc i can get behind trading for these young guys

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Well he scored 60 points two seasons in a row as a 20 and 21 year old. That counts for something.

He has work to do but the scoring ability is baked in.

Lindgren for Zegras is exactly the type of deal I’d want for Lindgren. Miller moves up to first pair. Gustafson moves to second pair. Go hunting for a third pair D or promote Robertson.

He's clearly very talented but I'm not paying out the nose for him. Like I said he's a good player and he certainly has things in his game right now that would really help (ability to carry the puck up ice? Yeah we could use that) but there are also some serious limitations that get overlooked because he does flashy shit.

With his injury issues+slow start this year, the Ducks would be selling low anyway. I'd imagine that they'll wait a bit (summer, maybe even mid way through next year) before doing something if they're going to do anything at all. Lindgren as a base (before getting to draft picks) is about as much as I'd be willing to part as far as rostered players go but I also understand that some other team will probably jump in with younger and better players.

Thats fine, someone else will become available who is probably a better fit and player over the next few months. It always happens.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Jason Dickenson, and a stay at home dman...thats my wish list, try and keep our prime assets and go for it with that lineup, get Kakko back and maybe Chytil and that's a decent lineup.

My lines
Panarin Trochek Lafreniere
Kreider Zibanejad Kakko
Cuylle Dickenson《》Chytil
Vesey Goodrow Wheeler

Miller Fox
Gustafson Trouba
Lindgren Schneider

 

[bhamill]

If Chytil decides to retire, but doesn’t officially retire, does he still get paid?

I know this is from a week ago, but how does a player retire without officially retiring? And why would they want to do that?
And why are we talking about him retiring, has he or the team said something?

 

[NYR Viper]

I'd try to build a Schneider for Zegras trade foundation and go from there.

 

[bhamill]

this team needs a total chad. His name is Chychrun

Chychrun is Mr Glass. Hell of a hockey player on the occasions he's fully healthy though.

 

[Savant]

If the Rangers did a Zegras trade (which I am probably still against) I wouldn’t do a young guy for him. Don’t really see the point. Now if you wanted to say move a guy like Zibanejad and just use it as an opportunity to re-set the cap and get off a big and/or contract (or two); that makes sense to me because Anaheim might want a vet in there to babysit all their young forward. That’s a more interesting (albeit flawed) concept to me.

 

[bernmeister]

I dont think I want to trade for Zegras when he'll probably request one here when his contract is up

sure but dat will be den an dis is now

if expiring this yr or next, agree, but at right price correct currency we can bite now

 

[Avery16]

I'd try to build a Schneider for Zegras trade foundation and go from there.

Again- the Ducks aren't looking for D, they're looking for depth at W. That's why they traded Drysdale, a D, for Gauthier, a W. If you don't believe me, maybe you'll take their GM's word for it:

Ducks GM Pat Verbeek said he made this move to add a forward with elite skating ability and an NHL-level shot. With three good young defensemen such as Pavel Mintyukov and Tristan Luneau and Owen Zellweger in their pipeline, they could afford to move Drysdale for Gauthier.

They already have three promising young centers in Trevor Zegras, Mason McTavish and Leo Carlsson but need more scoring punch on the wings. If Gauthier plays up to expectations he’ll provide an invaluable boost to the rebuilding Ducks’ offense.

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