Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[Raspewtin]

I think that some of what we are seeing is that Goodrow couldn't eat solid food for a while after getting hit in the mouth. His play is coming around as of late. If he had finished this season with 25-30 points, which would have been his 'normal' over the last few years, I think there would have been a trade of him this off-season. I still think thee are a few teams who would take him, possibly with some retention, this off-season.

Since the new year Goodrow has a team 3rd worst relCF% -10.90 and relxGF% of -13.37, only Pitlick who played half the games and Bonino who's gone are worse.

there's absolutely no evidence that his game has come around recently.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Lauzon isn't but I guess depends what they would want for the other two. We should be hesitant overpaying for rentals again.

One almost always overpays for a rental -- that's just the nature of the beast.

 

[JimmyG89]

Goodrow's played with veterans and they're now moving on from each of them. He's now going to get Edstrom and possibly other young guys to run with too.

His play is not going to get better. I think Laviolette notices this, but he has to try and make it work for the next 30 plus the postseason. He also has an A, and while that might not seem like much, it is still something for a veteran that was brought in to help lead the team.

This has to be the end of the line for him. There has been talk about how a early exit means that the core of the team will have to be shaken up. Goodrow is the shakeup and is the easiest one to execute. My only concern is that if this team does go on a run and they don't move on.

The only way this team moves forward into the phase where the young guys come through the system is getting rid of the roadblocks, because they're already better than Goodrow, his contract just gets in the way.

 

[NYR Viper]

Since the new year Goodrow has a team 3rd worst relCF% -10.90 and relxGF% of -13.37, only Pitlick who played half the games and Bonino who's gone are worse.

there's absolutely no evidence that his game has come around recently.

but has it gotten better in that timeframe?

I can only go by the eye test, he seems faster on pucks and more effective. I know he rang a shot off the crossbar last game and it feels like he is getting more chances.

 

[MrAlmost]

I could see them liking Lauzon. He isn't bad. His numbers have improved year over year and his massive d zone start bias makes them look not as bad. Similar to slightly better than Lindgren, and Lindgren plays with Fox and starts 50/50 split.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

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[Fitzy]

I think Goodrow has hit a decline with his style of play. I don't see some sort of career Renaissance, I think he will be retired in 1-2 years. A lot of gritty bottom 6 guys don't last into their mid 30's unless they've got something special that keeps them effective (See: Jason Chimera's speed)

Brandon Prust was out of the league at 31. Derek Dorsett hit the wall at 29. Ryan Callahan was never the same after his 30th birthday. Goodrow is 30.

 

[Raspewtin]

I'm going to ask what they look like away from Vesey.

I know what they look like, but everyone else should too.

The coaches/FO need to stop the mental gymnastics to justify sending him out there. He's the lesser of our major issues but one that shouldn't be that hard to rectify.

Don't want to waive him? Fine, make him the 13th forward.



Those runs have taken their toll on McDonagh. He's pretty bad now.

Heck of a career overall and incredibly underrated during his peak though. Stapling Girardi to him was criminal.

 

[McRanger92]

I think Goodrow has hit a decline with his style of play. I don't see some sort of career Renaissance, I think he will be retired in 1-2 years. A lot of gritty bottom 6 guys don't last into their mid 30's unless they've got something special that keeps them effective (See: Jason Chimera's speed)

Brandon Prust was out of the league at 31. Derek Dorsett hit the wall at 29. Ryan Callahan was never the same after his 30th birthday. Goodrow is 30.

The endgame for Goodrow is LTIR and his contract getting traded to the Coyotes. Idk when it happens, but it will.

 

[Fitzy]

The endgame for Goodrow is LTIR and his contract getting traded to the Coyotes. Idk when it happens, but it will.

I feel like this was in a stone tablet from the second that abomination of a deal was signed.

 

[17futurecap]

It’s good Pitlick cleared, will help Hartford, and will be a solid Black Ace for the playoffs.

 

[kovazub94]

Out of curiosity, I went back to check on the Rangers' trade deadline activity for every post-lockout CF run -- CF because winning two playoff rounds automatically makes a season a success for franchises like the Rangers (sad but true).

And as much as I hate losing picks and prospects (or just plain Pavel Buchnevich), I can't deny that all four of these entries -- two for Sather and one apiece for Gorton and Drury -- came painfully close to winning the conference four times in 10 years, and there's a little comfort in knowing they never lost a CF series in less than six games. Obviously that doesn't excuse some of their shittyness in between, but reaching the final four is still a big deal.

After you weed out the trade throw-ins, the following are the notables among the eventual picks and drafted prospects the Rangers traded during CF seasons who made it to the NHL:

Beauvillier-Barron-Duclair
Gregor-Gaudette-Callahan
Ho-Sang

Moore-Kylington
Cholowski-Reunanen


Current NHL Prospects

Lambert-C/W
Salomonsson-RHD
Guindon-C/W
Perkins-C
Milic-GK
Zavragin-GK


NYR Trade Deadline Activity (2012, 2014, 2015, 2022)

2012

-John Scott from CHI for a 2012 5th (Travis Brown)

2014

-Carcillo from LAK for a 2014 7th (Spencer Watson)
-Klein from NSH for MDZ
-MSL+ Cond 2nd/7th from TB for Callahan, 2014 1st (Joshua Ho-Sang), 2015 1st (Anthony Beauvillier)
-Raphael Diaz from VAN for a 2015 5th (Adam Gaudette)
-Casey Wellman from MIN for EK26 and a 2013 7th (Alexandre Belanger)

2015

-ARI sends Yandle, Summers, and a 2016 4th (Tarmo Reunanen) to the NYR for Moore, Duclair, a 2015 2nd (Oliver Kylington), and a 2016 1st (Dennis Cholowski)
-Sheppard from SJS for a 2016 4th (Noah Gregor).

2022

-Vatrano from FLA for a 2022 4th (Cedric Guindon)
-Copp, and a 2023 6th (Roobroeck) from WIN for Barron, a 2022 1st (Brad Lambert), a 2022 2nd (Elias Salomonsson), and a 2023 5th (Thomas Milic)
-Braun from PHI for a 2023 3rd (Egor Zavragin)
-Motte from VAN for a 2023 4th (Matthew Perkins)

Where's Lee Stempniak or am I losing my mind?

Otherwise:
2014 TDL - was pretty effective
2015 TDL - Yandle was mismanaged and Sheppard was supposed to replace Stempniak - so double f*** you, AV
2022 TDL - was also very effective similar to 2014

Can't seem to remember why there was virtually no activity in 2012 - was this an unexpected run?

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[haohmaru]

No surprise there

 

[McRanger92]

Where's Lee Stempniak or am I losing my mind?

Otherwise:
2014 TDL - was pretty effective
2015 TDL - Yandle was mismanaged and Sheppard was supposed to replace Stempniak - so double f*** you, AV
2022 TDL - was also very effective similar to 2014

Can't seem to remember why there was virtually no activity in 2012 - was this an unexpected run?

2012 deadline lead up was all about Nash to NYR. Rangers didn't want to blow up the team to make it happen in season. Probably smart given Nash never did much for us in the playoffs. They shouldve traded for a defenseman though.

 

[JimmyG89]

2012 deadline lead up was all about Nash to NYR. Rangers didn't want to blow up the team to make it happen in season. Probably smart given Nash never did much for us in the playoffs. They shouldve traded for a defenseman though.

Yes, but we would have missed out on all the Stu Bickel memes, and as we know, those last forever.

 

[kovazub94]

The coaches/FO need to stop the mental gymnastics to justify sending him out there. He's the lesser of our major issues but one that shouldn't be that hard to rectify.

Don't want to waive him? Fine, make him the 13th forward.

Don't you think that these mental gymnastics is something you imagine in your head? Reeves, Carpenter, Bonino, Pitilick - all got waived or moved once better options were identified / got available.

Like it or not at the moment Goodrow is 11/12 forward (allowing to see how Edstrom fares before we designate him ahead of Goodrow). There's no other ready option within the organization so until Drury makes his move - he's here to stay in the line-up.

OTOH, the Rangers could be in worse situation than have Goodrow as your 12, and especially 13th when you look at passed playoff rosters.

 

[CLW]

Coleman and Gourde deserve a cut of Goodrow's $3.6M cap hit. Both players helped Goodrow get that contract.

I love how Tampa talked him (Goody) up and the Rangers simply gobbled it all up.

 

[will1066]

No surprise there

He didn't quit, unlike Bonino. That's a bit of a surprise.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I hope if we are giving up a 1st round pick or prospects we get a young player for a change, someone we can continue to use in the future. These deadline ufa deals have stalled our minor system.

 

[Fitzy]

He didn't quit, unlike Bonino. That's a bit of a surprise.

Pitlick doesn't have the same earnings. His biggest contract paid 1.75 million for two years in Arizona. All told after taxes he's probably only earned 6-8 million as an NHL player (Bonino more like 13- 15 million) , so an extra half a million in the minors is actually probably fairly worthwhile.

 

[LOFIN]

Probably more appropriate in this thread...

Many people seem to want to use him at RW but I’d rather run 3 centers of Trocheck, Zegras & Zibanejad

This is the mindset here. Zegras won't have any important job here.

I'm not saying don't get Zegras if he's available at a price that's doable (Like Kakko, 2nd and some prospect not named Perreault). But that would probably be a move that makes it prohibitive to address all our needs at the deadline, because we are using assets to replace a player when we objectively should probably look to acquire 3 pieces (a top RW, a 3rd line C, a depth D). So if you want to (and I think you should because the East is pretty wide open) have a real go once again this season, getting Zegras is absolutely not a move they should strive towards during this deadline. Re-visit in the summer, depending on how the season ended.

At this point, I would absolutely keep Kakko for the rest of the season. Him and Cuylle have something cooking in the 3rd line, that could be pretty valuable come the playoffs. Brodzinski is doing about as well as you could expect in that center spot, but it really pains me to think what it could look like with Chytil (or Tro if you would want to put Chytil between Panarin and Laf).

Like I said, I would look for a winger, a center and a D-man. And if we could use that 1st, I think all 3 could be doable. But if it's true Dolan doesn't want to spend it...

 

[RangersFan1994]

I hope if we are giving up a 1st round pick or prospects we get a young player for a change, someone we can continue to use in the future. These deadline ufa deals have stalled our minor system.

I wish they went after Hagel or Jeanott a few years ago. Hagel was a solid trade for the Bolts. Those are the types id trade a 1st for.

 

[surlysailor]

I wish they went after Hagel or Jeanott a few years ago. Hagel was a solid trade for the Bolts. Those are the types id trade a 1st for.

Hagel is good, Jeannot has been horrible for them. 4 points in 20 games last season 0 in the playoffs and then only 12 in 42 this year. Tb paid through the nose for him and he has had 1 good season and it was for Nashville.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I would love to get Lauzon on this team but he will cost a ton. He’s exactly what we want, a 4-5 dman that is in the top 5% in hits. He would wear teams down by himself over a 7 game series. Perfect tough playoff player.