Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[UnSandvich]

He's my target as well, but Zegras would be costly and I don't think Verbeek wants picks and prospects at any position except goal (Garand?), which whittles the return package options down to NHL-caliber types in Schneider, Miller, Lafreniere, and Cuylle. Maybe Othmann is a target because of his style of play and relationship with McTavish.

IMHO, I don't think Zegras is getting traded until after the draft lottery when Verbeek finds out if he lands Celebrini.

I think Miller for Zegras straight up is fair. Almost identical to RyJo for Jones, especially since Johansen was struggling under Torts after signing that huge deal. Ducks save money and could land a No. 1 defenseman, which is what Jones became for Columbus almost immediately.

Miller for Zegras makes our team significantly worse. Our LHD depth at that point is what, Gus-Lindgren-Jones? At the very least we have 2 NHL centers, 3 if Chytil comes back next season.

 

[BBKers]

Kreider - Mika - Hayes (50%)
Panarin - Troch - Laf
Cuylle - Jenner - Kakko
Vesey - Goodrow - McCarron
Wheeler


Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Gus - Schneider
#6/#7 Merill or Edmundsson* (* - some $$ needs to be retained)


Igor
Quick

Black Aces
Edström
Pitlick
Othmann
Rempe
Blidh
Leshitshow

Jones, Robertson, 2025 first rounder, Brodzinski and some more assets used as our trade assets
Thats a bigger & nastier team built for POs
Works with the cap
Will need some offseason retooling - but doable

 

[Harbour Dog]

It's not like adding Edstrom in place of Pitlick is a massive improvement, but what a breath of fresh air it is to see a placeholder veteran waived for a kid that deserves to make the jump.

Just wait until training camp next year. Between Othmann, Sykora, Berard, and maybe even Rempe and Perreault; there are going to be some nervous vets that have to approach pre-season like they're 20 years old having to prove they deserve a spot.

 

[RGY]

It's not like adding Edstrom in place of Pitlick is a massive improvement, but what a breath of fresh air it is to see a placeholder veteran waived for a kid that deserves to make the jump.

Just wait until training camp next year. Between Othmann, Sykora, Berard, and maybe even Rempe and Perreault; there are going to be some nervous vets that have to approach pre-season like they're 20 years old having to prove they deserve a spot.

Which vets are those? Because I dont see Zibanejad, Panarin, Kreider, and Trocheck having to worry about proving they deserve a spot. Goodrow is likely bought out. So who’s left? Vesey? He is pretty safe. Wheeler likely won’t be back. And if they bring in a veteran middle 6 winger such as a Tarasenko as an example, their spot is safe as well.

But it will be nice to have cheap energy filled depth.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Which vets are those? Because I dont see Zibanejad, Panarin, Kreider, and Trocheck having to worry about proving they deserve a spot. Goodrow is likely bought out. So who’s left? Vesey? He is pretty safe. Wheeler likely won’t be back. And if they bring in a veteran middle 6 winger such as a Tarasenko as an example, their spot is safe as well.

But it will be nice to have cheap energy filled depth.

Goodrow, Wheeler, plus whatever FAs we sign as depth in the summer. Just because the kids are coming doesn't mean we won't still sign a few 4th liners to compete for spots.

 

[RGY]

Goodrow, Wheeler, plus whatever FAs we sign as depth in the summer. Just because the kids are coming doesn't mean we won't still sign a few 4th liners to compete for spots.

I think they are going to turnover the 4th line to Edstrom and Berard/Sykora next year. Othmann gets a top 9 spot. We’ll see.

Vesey-Edstrom-Berard/Sykora

Kreider-Zibanejad-Othmann
Panarin-Trocheck-Lafreniere
Cuylle-*Chytil*-Kakko

Who knows if Chytil will be back. Kakko may not be here. But if those two aren’t back i think they are replaced by bodies (young or veteran) who are already in the NHL. With that said i see the path for Othmann.

 

[mike14]

Rangers are 9-7-0 against the top teams in the league, including 2-0 against both Tampa and Boston. This is the old Yankee formula of obliterating mediocre or worse opposition and playing .500 or slightly better against the contenders.

I make it 10-7, and it seems everyone else does this too, especially in the East...

BOS is 8-3-3
FLA: 10-6-1
TBL: 11-9-1
CAR: 8-10-0
PHI: 10-8-1
DAL: 7-7
COL: 8-8-1

I got bored at that point so just skipped to VAN who are 11-6-2 (which includes 3 wins against EDM when they were about the worst team in the league). No-one is really beating up on good teams

 

[Avery16]

Should’ve waived Goodrow instead of Pitlick. Drury must still be hoping a market will emerge for Barclay.

 

[Alluckks]

Rangers are 9-7-0 against the top teams in the league, including 2-0 against both Tampa and Boston. This is the old Yankee formula of obliterating mediocre or worse opposition and playing .500 or slightly better against the contenders. On the surface, it's not crazy to think Drury has a fairly quiet deadline, but he's more likely going for it a third straight year, especially with so many kids in Hartford boosting their stock, the conference having a down year, and the group's hunger for a Cup. I'm just wondering how much longer he can wait since so many teams are within striking distance of the playoffs and the available talent will be on the weaker side.

The BU community is incredibly tight, mostly because of Jack Parker. Call it a hunch, but I think Drury's dealings will be with at least one of SJ (Grier/Quinn), Minnesota (Kelleher/Hynes), and Nashville (Kealty). I know Columbus has some intriguing targets, but I don't think Drury wants to trade within the division (I think 85-90% of his trades since taking over were out-of-conference). A holdup could be that Minnesota and Nashville, among others, are still in the mix for a wild-card berth.

I also guess Drury won't value his 2024 first-rounder as much, partly because the biggest organizational need is high-end defense prospects and this draft is loaded with them into the late second round and early third. He, as well as his scouts, probably figure there won't be much of a difference between a defender in the 26-32 range and 58-64 of this particular draft.

Would be hard to believe that Drury would want to go into the draft with 1 pick in the first 120 picks. If he traded the 1st it seems somewhat probable he'd be looking to make a move for an additional 2nd or 3rd rounder come summer.

 

[huerter]

Should’ve waived Goodrow instead of Pitlick. Drury must still be hoping a market will emerge for Barclay.

Maybe Drury gets cised.

 

[Alluckks]

Middlestadt rumors feels like publicly kicking the tires on other players as some leverage for other deals. Publicly displaying other options available.

Sturm fits. The BU connection to SJ was mentioned. 2 mil per year for this year and next. Zac Jones or Matthew Robertson for Sturm with some money retained sounds plausible.

Then again, is he really much of an upgrade at all over Brodz?

Duclair reunion is interesting but I don't think it fixes much, unless he magically decides to be motivated to hustle for a full 200 ft game.

 

[MrAlmost]

San Jose is in an interesting position. They need RD, not LD so I doubt they are listening on Jones or Robertson. They have a comical amount of cap space this summer, and thats with keeping some guys I imagine get traded this deadline and at the draft. They could use Goodrow, if it's just for the money alone. However, I have no doubt San Jose is on Goodrows no list.

Though I think Sturm and Duclair are the cheapest 1 stop shop we will find. I like cheap for this team. I don't think they should be blowing any more picks.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

It's not like adding Edstrom in place of Pitlick is a massive improvement, but what a breath of fresh air it is to see a placeholder veteran waived for a kid that deserves to make the jump.

Just wait until training camp next year. Between Othmann, Sykora, Berard, and maybe even Rempe and Perreault; there are going to be some nervous vets that have to approach pre-season like they're 20 years old having to prove they deserve a spot.

Yup, the Drury picks or players with Drury personalities start maturing and coming in.

I think we see a more skilled version of those Torts teams.

 

[RangerBoy]

Danton Heinen. $775,000. The Bruins got a great deal. Heinen didn't sign the contract until October 30. He had a good season a few years ago but was squeezed last summer. Very good skater. Effective player. Very good on the PK. He is not just a guy who blocks shots, clears the puck and changes. His speed is effective on the PK. 6-1 185. He looks bigger than 185.

The cap will be $87,675,000 next season. There will be more money in the system. Maybe Drury could find the Heinen for next season at $775,000 who makes a bigger impact than Bonino and Pitlick.

The best way to find out how much influence Sather has on things is if Maroon becomes a Ranger, you know it’s happening.

Maroon is out with back surgery. Duhaime is a better option.

 

[RangerBoy]

It's not like adding Edstrom in place of Pitlick is a massive improvement, but what a breath of fresh air it is to see a placeholder veteran waived for a kid that deserves to make the jump.

Just wait until training camp next year. Between Othmann, Sykora, Berard, and maybe even Rempe and Perreault; there are going to be some nervous vets that have to approach pre-season like they're 20 years old having to prove they deserve a spot.

Perreault should stay at BC for one more season. When he was selected last June, his ETA was three years. Stay at BC for one more season and then revaluate.

 

[Vitto79]

San Jose is in an interesting position. They need RD, not LD so I doubt they are listening on Jones or Robertson. They have a comical amount of cap space this summer, and thats with keeping some guys I imagine get traded this deadline and at the draft. They could use Goodrow, if it's just for the money alone. However, I have no doubt San Jose is on Goodrows no list.

Though I think Sturm and Duclair are the cheapest 1 stop shop we will find. I like cheap for this team. I don't think they should be blowing any more picks.

Goodrow started in SJ so I doubt he wouldn’t go back

 

[pld459666]

I soo want to see Kakko do well and produce, however, the 2nd OA value and shine are long gone.

Middlestadt would be a huge get for this team, better if we could do that without KK's inclusion, but if there's a small add, you make that deal yesterday.

With Zegras, I'd add a 1st to KK and BMB.

Not looking to dump KK by any means, but I think we are fooling ourselves when we attach the 2OA to the player today.

It's no longer relevant to who the player is today

 

[Raspewtin]

there's no Goodrow thread but thought you should all share in the lulz:
(forwards with min 400 minutes, 334, 5on5)

323rd in points/60
321st in ixG/60
331st in CF% rel (Bonino is last LMAO)
328th in xGF% rel

Legit one of the worst players in the league this year.

Don't even ask what his numbers look like away from Vesey.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

San Jose is in an interesting position. They need RD, not LD so I doubt they are listening on Jones or Robertson. They have a comical amount of cap space this summer, and thats with keeping some guys I imagine get traded this deadline and at the draft. They could use Goodrow, if it's just for the money alone. However, I have no doubt San Jose is on Goodrows no list.

Though I think Sturm and Duclair are the cheapest 1 stop shop we will find. I like cheap for this team. I don't think they should be blowing any more picks.

Maybe he likes the weather there, better than getting put on waivers and demoted to Hartford. However i dont have a problem with keeping Goodrow, the 4th line with some youth on it is likely to be better

 

[kovazub94]

he turned into a pretty good player so far. Would've been a much better 2017 draft if they took him at #7 over Andersson. If he's a consistent 60-70 point guy playing 3C there's potential for him at 2C in the future which is exactly what was hoped for with Chytil. He's definitely a Drury type of trade target, maybe even more so than Zegras.

Do we need to point out the obvious that if the Rangers drafted the “pull-up bar nemesis” we wouldn’t have Cuylle?

One more thing - Chytil was signed just last offseason but if the Rangers were to bring Mittlestadt he shouldn’t be paid much more than what the Czech got, otherwise no thank you.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Henrique and Vatrano for Kakko, a second and Goodrow. I'd do that.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Has anyone figured out what our record is with and without Kakko this year? From just sitting back watching i feel that its heavily leaned toward when hes in the lineup

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Has anyone figured out what our record is with and without Kakko this year? From just sitting back watching i feel that its heavily leaned toward when hes in the lineup

Not sure the exact record, but it's something like 23-7-2 with Kakko in the lineup; 11-9-1 without.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Henrique and Vatrano for Kakko, a second and Goodrow. I'd do that.

Hell no.

 

[McRanger92]

Henrique and Vatrano for Kakko, a second and Goodrow. I'd do that.

To get rid of Goodrow without giving up a first AND get 2 helpful players back is good value for the Rangers but it would be very uninspiring if this was their "big move"