Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[bernmeister]

I soo want to see Kakko do well and produce, however, the 2nd OA value and shine are long gone.

Middlestadt would be a huge get for this team, better if we could do that without KK's inclusion, but if there's a small add, you make that deal yesterday.

With Zegras, I'd add a 1st to KK and BMB.

Not looking to dump KK by any means, but I think we are fooling ourselves when we attach the 2OA to the player today.

It's no longer relevant to who the player is today

No on moving KK, he is quality bookend w/Cuylle, let's not ignore that and instead add suitable pivot
Oth + Berard + BMB + Vesey + 2025 1st
for
Zegras + Helleson + Jak Per. + multiple 2nds

Mit = fool's gold, he wants to stay, they will extend
even if he is a rental, he will return to Sabes at decent # STAY AWAY

Henrique and Vatrano for Kakko, a second and Goodrow. I'd do that.

no NO NO
stop rentals
stop youth for vets

Good ret. down to 2 per we can eventually move
stop giving away futures

 

[Harbour Dog]

Perreault should stay at BC for one more season. When he was selected last June, his ETA was three years. Stay at BC for one more season and then revaluate.

I agree for the most part, and would have agreed 100% a couple months ago, but with the way he's playing, I've opened the door a little to considering bringing him into the pro game next year.

If he is physically ready for the bigger, faster game, a year in the AHL could be huge for him.

 

[RGY]

Stop trading Kakko

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Not sure the exact record, but it's something like 23-7-2 with Kakko in the lineup; 11-9-1 without.

Kinda figured it was slanted towards him being well on the winning side.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Stop trading Kakko

Agree, it's dumb, guy just turned 23, people are too caught up in his draft position. He has adds a positive contribution to this team.

 

[SA16]

Do we need to point out the obvious that if the Rangers drafted the “pull-up bar nemesis” we wouldn’t have Cuylle?

One more thing - Chytil was signed just last offseason but if the Rangers were to bring Mittlestadt he shouldn’t be paid much more than what the Czech got, otherwise no thank you.

Mittelstadt will be paid much more than Chytil. I would have to imagine he's looking at something in the 7-49 range. He's coming off a 59 point season and this year has 43 points in 52 games. Chytils career high is 45 points. There's no way their contracts will be comparable.

 

[RGY]

Friedman was on SiriusXM this morning.

He does not believe Tarasenko switching agents means he wants to extend with Ottawa. He feels it is more likely than not that he is dealt. I do not recall Friedman mentioning any Teams. He thinks he will be a plan B to Guentzel.

Tarasenko has had an ok year. I think he is still an option on the table for us. Could he be had for a 3rd and a 5th with some retention? Maybe a B / Project Prospect? We’ll see.

Friedman also mentioned the Rangers have a primary focus on the Center position being improved. As they should. Brodzinski is not the answer.

Friedman said it is a tough market to gauge. Teams like Boston traded a lot of their draft pick assets in previous years. The cap is an issue. Some teams themselves are trying to evaluate where they are truly at to determine investing in making moves.

He also said the Devils were very close to acquiring Markstrom. He mentioned Saros’ name being out there which could indicate NSH is more inclined to sell.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Friedman was on SiriusXM this morning.

He does not believe Tarasenko switching agents means he wants to extend with Ottawa. He feels it is more likely than not that he is dealt. I do not recall Friedman mentioning any Teams. He thinks he will be a plan B to Guentzel.

Tarasenko has had an ok year. I think he is still an option on the table for us. Could he be had for a 3rd and a 5th with some retention? Maybe a B / Project Prospect? We’ll see.

Friedman also mentioned the Rangers have a primary focus on the Center position being improved. As they should. Brodzinski is not the answer.

Friedman said it is a tough market to gauge. Teams like Boston traded a lot of their draft pick assets in previous years. The cap is an issue. Some teams themselves are trying to evaluate where they are truly at to determine investing in making moves.

He also said the Devils were very close to acquiring Markstrom. He mentioned Saros’ name being out there which could indicate NSH is more inclined to sell.

I still hope Drury calls the Preds. They got some decent pieces like Trenin, Lauzon and Novak id be interested in.

 

[bl02]

I still hope Drury calls the Preds. They got some decent pieces like Trenin, Lauzon and Novak id be interested in.

I don't watch a lot of Preds games but the ones I do those 3 seems like some of their more effective players. Why would they want to trade them?

 

[bhamill]

It's not gonna be long before we start to hear the BS about Perrault being one dimensional as well.

Soon.....

Well MOST scoring forwards come into the league LESS than defensively responsible... but after 4 NHL years with no improvement, and seemingly no inclination toward improving defensively, well, you start to get labelled, and rightly so. Of course Zegras still COULD round out his game, he wont be 23 for another month, but he hasn't yet at all, so I don't have a lot of faith there.
Gabe? Who knows? But from all accounts he's a very coachable, hard working kid, so I won't be surprised to see him making defensive progress. I expect/hope to see him work on it as his college career progresses. No he probably won't ever be a Selke candidate, but there is a LOT of real estate between Selke consideration and a total defensive liability...

 

[kovazub94]

Mittelstadt will be paid much more than Chytil. I would have to imagine he's looking at something in the 7-49 range. He's coming off a 59 point season and this year has 43 points in 52 games. Chytils career high is 45 points. There's no way their contracts will be comparable.

Yup, I'm aware. but I guess I wasn't fully clear in my point - The Rangers are set in their top-6 centermen (regardless of how some fans feel about Zibanejad) and Chytil's contract fitted great from the cap perspective, which - as you pointed out - won't be the case here.

 

[bhamill]

Nowhere in my post did I say it was the right or wrong approach, I simply stated that Drury has a player mold he likes and as long as he’s the GM I don’t really see that changing.

As you also pointed out though: he drafted Perrault.
I think if two players are close in talent, Drury goes for the one with grit and character every time, even if he's the less overtly talented. Othmann was not just a sandpaper pick, he has TALENT. Sykora is less talented, but he was a 2nd round pick, any pick there was going to be less talented. And then there was Perrault.
I think whereas some GM's take flyers on deeply flawed guys with a high upside in later rounds, Drury looks like his later round type is the big and gritty player that is probably early in his development curve, as most BIG guys usually are. Takes longer for them to grow into and utilize their frame. Grab a few and hope one hits...

 

[RangersFan1994]

I don't watch a lot of Preds games but the ones I do those 3 seems like some of their more effective players. Why would they want to trade them?

Cause they are UFA and if they are not resigned by deadline, why keep them

 

[bl02]

Cause they are UFA and if they are not resigned by deadline, why keep them

Lauzon isn't but I guess depends what they would want for the other two. We should be hesitant overpaying for rentals again.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Rangers don't need to add Kakko to trade Goodrow. Like it or not, if thr right trades are made Goodrow should be on the 4th line which is more fine. XXXX - Edstrom - Goodrow

Goodrow will either be dealt in the offseason or bought out.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Paying to dump Goodrow should be a non starter when he could have been bought out in a totally manageable way last summer (CREDIT short term during flat cap then minimal once cap inflation kicks in). Big f up by Drury last summer either terrible player evaluation or too much hubris.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Paying to dump Goodrow should be a non starter when he could have been bought out in a totally manageable way last summer (CREDIT short term during flat cap then minimal once cap inflation kicks in). Big f up by Drury last summer either terrible player evaluation or too much hubris.

They can still buy him out this summer and all of the above would still apply.

 

[RangerBoy]

there's no Goodrow thread but thought you should all share in the lulz:
(forwards with min 400 minutes, 334, 5on5)

323rd in points/60
321st in ixG/60
331st in CF% rel (Bonino is last LMAO)
328th in xGF% rel

Legit one of the worst players in the league this year.

Don't even ask what his numbers look like away from Vesey.

Coleman and Gourde deserve a cut of Goodrow's $3.6M cap hit. Both players helped Goodrow get that contract.

 

[New York RKY]

As you also pointed out though: he drafted Perrault.
I think if two players are close in talent, Drury goes for the one with grit and character every time, even if he's the less overtly talented. Othmann was not just a sandpaper pick, he has TALENT. Sykora is less talented, but he was a 2nd round pick, any pick there was going to be less talented. And then there was Perrault.
I think whereas some GM's take flyers on deeply flawed guys with a high upside in later rounds, Drury looks like his later round type is the big and gritty player that is probably early in his development curve, as most BIG guys usually are. Takes longer for them to grow into and utilize their frame. Grab a few and hope one hits...

The only reason that Perrault was drafted was because he was clear and away the best player. They had him projected top 5 I believe and since he fell to them they jumped on it. Now if he wasn’t a projected top 5 pick (I don’t remember where exactly they had projected him) and there was a comparable grit/skill player at their pick I guarantee you that Drury would have went with that guy.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I still hope Drury calls the Preds. They got some decent pieces like Trenin, Lauzon and Novak id be interested in.

Lauzon is awful.

Just because he's big and tough doesn't mean he's good.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Out of curiosity, I went back to check on the Rangers' trade deadline activity for every post-lockout CF run -- CF because winning two playoff rounds automatically makes a season a success for franchises like the Rangers (sad but true).

And as much as I hate losing picks and prospects (or just plain Pavel Buchnevich), I can't deny that all four of these entries -- two for Sather and one apiece for Gorton and Drury -- came painfully close to winning the conference four times in 10 years, and there's a little comfort in knowing they never lost a CF series in less than six games. Obviously that doesn't excuse some of their shittyness in between, but reaching the final four is still a big deal.

After you weed out the trade throw-ins, the following are the notables among the eventual picks and drafted prospects the Rangers traded during CF seasons who made it to the NHL:

Beauvillier-Barron-Duclair
Gregor-Gaudette-Callahan
Ho-Sang

Moore-Kylington
Cholowski-Reunanen


Current NHL Prospects

Lambert-C/W
Salomonsson-RHD
Guindon-C/W
Perkins-C
Milic-GK
Zavragin-GK


NYR Trade Deadline Activity (2012, 2014, 2015, 2022)

2012

-John Scott from CHI for a 2012 5th (Travis Brown)

2014

-Carcillo from LAK for a 2014 7th (Spencer Watson)
-Klein from NSH for MDZ
-MSL+ Cond 2nd/7th from TB for Callahan, 2014 1st (Joshua Ho-Sang), 2015 1st (Anthony Beauvillier)
-Raphael Diaz from VAN for a 2015 5th (Adam Gaudette)
-Casey Wellman from MIN for EK26 and a 2013 7th (Alexandre Belanger)

2015

-ARI sends Yandle, Summers, and a 2016 4th (Tarmo Reunanen) to the NYR for Moore, Duclair, a 2015 2nd (Oliver Kylington), and a 2016 1st (Dennis Cholowski)
-Sheppard from SJS for a 2016 4th (Noah Gregor).

2022

-Vatrano from FLA for a 2022 4th (Cedric Guindon)
-Copp, and a 2023 6th (Roobroeck) from WIN for Barron, a 2022 1st (Brad Lambert), a 2022 2nd (Elias Salomonsson), and a 2023 5th (Thomas Milic)
-Braun from PHI for a 2023 3rd (Egor Zavragin)
-Motte from VAN for a 2023 4th (Matthew Perkins)

 

[haohmaru]

If Mac Truck had less term left on his deal I’d bring him back in a second. He was an absolute beast in TB’s last cup run and arguably their best player those playoffs.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

there's no Goodrow thread but thought you should all share in the lulz:
(forwards with min 400 minutes, 334, 5on5)

323rd in points/60
321st in ixG/60
331st in CF% rel (Bonino is last LMAO)
328th in xGF% rel

Legit one of the worst players in the league this year.

Don't even ask what his numbers look like away from Vesey.

I'm going to ask what they look like away from Vesey.

I know what they look like, but everyone else should too.

The coaches/FO need to stop the mental gymnastics to justify sending him out there. He's the lesser of our major issues but one that shouldn't be that hard to rectify.

Don't want to waive him? Fine, make him the 13th forward.

If Mac Truck had less term left on his deal I’d bring him back in a second. He was an absolute beast in TB’s last cup run and arguably their best player those playoffs.

Those runs have taken their toll on McDonagh. He's pretty bad now.

Heck of a career overall and incredibly underrated during his peak though. Stapling Girardi to him was criminal.

 

[NYR Viper]

Paying to dump Goodrow should be a non starter when he could have been bought out in a totally manageable way last summer (CREDIT short term during flat cap then minimal once cap inflation kicks in). Big f up by Drury last summer either terrible player evaluation or too much hubris.

I think that some of what we are seeing is that Goodrow couldn't eat solid food for a while after getting hit in the mouth. His play is coming around as of late. If he had finished this season with 25-30 points, which would have been his 'normal' over the last few years, I think there would have been a trade of him this off-season. I still think thee are a few teams who would take him, possibly with some retention, this off-season.

 

[bhamill]

The only reason that Perrault was drafted was because he was clear and away the best player. They had him projected top 5 I believe and since he fell to them they jumped on it. Now if he wasn’t a projected top 5 pick (I don’t remember where exactly they had projected him) and there was a comparable grit/skill player at their pick I guarantee you that Drury would have went with that guy.

Well this is pretty much what I said: if two guys are close, he's going with the grit/character player.
But the encouraging part is he WENT with Perrault when, what?, 18 other teams outside the top 5 passed on him... so WAS Gabe clear and away the best available (without hindsight)? Not according to a bunch of GM's and scouts on draft day.
Personally, I am with you. I was hoping for Leonard, Moore or Perrault to drop somehow (and thought Oliver Moore was most likely of the three), and when Gabe was available I was ready to hurl a bottle at my TV if Drury didn't take him. Hahahaha.

Paying to dump Goodrow should be a non starter when he could have been bought out in a totally manageable way last summer (CREDIT short term during flat cap then minimal once cap inflation kicks in). Big f up by Drury last summer either terrible player evaluation or too much hubris.

Gotta cut out that hubris!!
But regardless a GM will take him without a payment, or we will buy him out. There's not going to be a Nemeth type dump.