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Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

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At this point, I am not sure Othman doesn't have the higher upside. He is actively producing in the AHL, and his confidence and play style seem to keep him from shrinking away from the light. Kakko, at this point, hasn't even remotely played like the guy that existed before the draft. Is he in there? Maybe, but how long do they wait for that to happen? Disregarding draft position, Othman feels like the higher future. I hate saying that as I really have wanted Kakko to be that dominant power forward and think the Rangers have never really put him with the type of players that are complimentary to his style. However, Kakko has never grabbed the opportunities given to him. Neither the player nor the team have done each other any favors in this situation.
 
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GAGLine said:
I very much disagree with the bolded. It's a self-defeating view. If we believe that we have to win within the next 2-3 years, we will make moves that only benefit us within that time frame, meaning that after that timeframe has passed and we probably still haven't won a cup, we are going to be that much worse afterward.
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Why try to predict what the situation will be after 3 years. We have no idea. I find that self defeating tbh
 
dshea19 said:
At this point, I am not sure Othman doesn't have the higher upside. He is actively producing in the AHL, and his confidence and play style seem to keep him from shrinking away from the light. Kakko, at this point, hasn't even remotely played like the guy that existed before the draft. Is he in there? Maybe, but how long do they wait for that to happen? Disregarding draft position, Othman feels like the higher future. I hate saying that as I really have wanted Kakko to be that dominant power forward and think the Rangers have never really put him with the type of players that are complimentary to his style. However, Kakko has never grabbed the opportunities given to him. Neither the player nor the team have done each other any favors in this situation.
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While I agree and I hate to deal kakko you wait for the off season to deal him. He’s a younger Fast at this point, and everyone was clamoring to sign fast in the off season. Also if his last few games with cuylle has been really good. He has 2 goals, setup cuylle multiple times but Cuylle couldn’t bury the puck. If you get them a legit C that not brodz you have a quality 3rd line that maintain the puck in the offensive zone, and if he’s still not growing you explore options at the draft.
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
When was the last time Staple scooped anyone?
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I don’t think any of the beat writers have a clue. They are just going off pass years deadline and the rentals available. The one guy they’ve all mentioned is Gourde, which I find somewhat interesting given he’s got 2 years left and isn’t necessarily on a seller.
 
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surlysailor said:
While I agree and I hate to deal kakko you wait for the off season to deal him. He’s a younger Fast at this point, and everyone was clamoring to sign fast in the off season. Also if his last few games with cuylle has been really good. He has 2 goals, setup cuylle multiple times but Cuylle couldn’t bury the puck. If you get them a legit C that not brodz you have a quality 3rd line that maintain the puck in the offensive zone, and if he’s still not growing you explore options at the draft.
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I don't disagree with any of that. My, admittedly unstated, context is that I am seeing people who are more willing to part with Othman than they are with Kakko. I actually feel the opposite at this moment. If it is about getting value for Kakko, trading sooner (best to do so this offseason) rather than later is important. If you are resigning yourself to accepting him as a high value 3rd liner and a guy that adds real depth to your team, then you keep him since he is not going to be expensive with his point totals. I think him playing with Cuylle is a really good thing. He has a guy he can cycle with. If they can add another center to do that with, that line would be such a massive change of pace to the two rush oriented lines ahead of them. I think those two with Chytil would have been really good, or if Chytil had never gotten injured and had success with Panarin and Laf, Trocheck would probably have worked really well with them.
 
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It won't happen, but the only reason Drury should be trading is a first (plus more obviously) at this point in time with the limited draft capital he has is for a young player that can be added to the core and is under team control for at least several years.
 
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UAGoalieGuy said:
It won't happen, but the only reason Drury should be trading is a first (plus more obviously) at this point in time with the limited draft capital he has is for a young player that can be added to the core and is under team control for at least several years.
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Those players are worth significantly more than a late 1st though (as you say). But the difference in cost for someone like that compared to a top rental would be large.
 
If only there was a better way to have acquired Vatrano. A smarter way. One that didn't require moving good assets and only getting him for cash on the nail in the summer instead of all those random journeymen where combined they'd reach his AAV but not his skill level.

Hmmmm...truly wild to wonder about...
 
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Those players are worth significantly more than a late 1st though (as you say). But the difference in cost for someone like that compared to a top rental would be large.
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Yeah was just saying that the 1st should be part of a package for a piece that can grow with the team. Not used to rent someone when that never works (and blew up terribly last season).
 
haohmaru said:
The way Vatrano is waxing about the Rangers fuels the rumors further.
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He was asked a question and he answered it.

Seems like Twitter crowd and the media are really trying to manifest this one more so than it being an actual thing.

If I’m wrong I’m wrong but that’s what it looks like to be rather than it being something that has any legitimacy behind it
 
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McRanger92 said:
Why try to predict what the situation will be after 3 years. We have no idea. I find that self defeating tbh
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It's not predicting the future, it's planning for it, which is something this organization has never done enough of. That's not to say that we should never consider the present and make moves intended to increase our chances in the short term, but as an organization, we have wasted so many assets on short term fixes. If that came with a commensurate level of success, I wouldn't care, but the strategy clearly doesn't work.
 
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Duclair should be cheap. He could be this year's version of a 4th for Vatrano. I don't want to pay top dollar for Vatrano. Agree that premium assets should be used for a center or defense.
 
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JimmyG89 said:
Vatrano would be too expensive to trade for. He will not have the same impact here as he does not have the same role here.

The premium assets should be used on a center, not a winger.
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I'm pretty sure he would have nearly the exact same role here that he has there which is top six and PP2. The only difference is that he wouldn't PK.
 
Cannot wait to trade quality assets for Vatrano when we couldve signed a certain someone for only money. Both are one dimensional players but one will probably cost us a 2nd round pick or more. That is an upset stomach right there. Dont hate Vatrano, but you arent getting him for a mere 4th round pick this time around.
 
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I don't think anyone has a clear picture of what Drury would prefer to do and what prices he'd pay. We've been over this before...he doesn't leak stuff.
Of course he'll inquire about Vatrano and Henrique but that doesn't mean they're the first choice or players he's going to sell the farm for.
 
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It's gonna be Henrique for a 2024 second that turns into a 2024 first if the Rangers go to the ECF, and a 2026 fourth.

Duclair I can see for Robertson, 2025 4th (recipient's choice), and and a 2026 third.
 
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I don't hate Vatrano but he might be the most underwhelming name out there.

He'll come at a decent cost because he's having a productive year, and he's not really fixing what needs to be fixed. We've already seen him and we already know that.

It would be a "last little push" move by a team that's not a last little push away from winning.
 
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