Machinehead
The Olli react should add points!
Well, if it keeps going like this for another couple years, the league will just collapse in on itself and they get what they deserve.
Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)
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They played the "Let's try to steal 2 1st round picks here with conditions." In fairness, they almost got the first from Dallas close to advancing, and I still believe Zucc was pretty much not signed by Dallas to avoid giving up a first on that condition.
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The irony of this post is that St. Louis only made 2 very minor deals prior to that trade deadline:
NYR Viper
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Conor Garland would also be a fit if Vancouver is still looking to move him as they were last offseason...
EdJovanovski
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He answered it like insanely glowingly and his entire face lit up talking about it, sounded as if he wants to play here again
GoAwayPanarin
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Most players speaking glowingly about playing here. Not all of them go out and get re-acquired.
I'm sure some guys would love to come back if given the chance. Doesn't mean that it's going to happen.
But again what do you expect him to say? That he hated his time here? No f*** he liked his time here, he got top six minutes, went on a playoff run which allowed him to secure a bag in Anaheim lol.
They offered Zucc a contract.
He chased the money.
NYR Viper
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Here's a deep dive in to some centers who may be available:
If you're telling me that Hayes would cost a 3rd/4th while Dowd, Henrique and Gourde would cost a 1st I know my answer. The only positive about Dowd is he makes peanuts for next year too but based on the cap increasing I'm not overpaying for that.
If you're telling me that Hayes would cost a 3rd/4th while Dowd, Henrique and Gourde would cost a 1st I know my answer. The only positive about Dowd is he makes peanuts for next year too but based on the cap increasing I'm not overpaying for that.
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He already took two hometown discounts. Was he really supposed to take a third one when he was one of the best players on the team?
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Was talking about Dallas offering Zucc a contract after he was traded there as a rental.
Rangers didn't offer him anything as they were set on moving on as evidenced by his constant whining about how his tenure ended here which has persisted years later. Moved him a year too late IMO.
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Do you really want Hayes for 2 more years after this?
I have no interest in any of those players.
NYR Viper
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I don't mind Hayes at his partial salary for 2 more years honestly. He's a productive depth forward who can play wing or center. He's making $3.571m on the cap but only makes $2.625m in actual cash in each of the next 2 years with $0.625m of that each year in a bonus. I don't think Kevin Hayes, in the final year of his deal, would be hard to move at $2m in real cash and that's worst case scenario.
Going into this off-season, I don't see a way for Drury not to sign at least 2 centers. They need a 4C and they will need an insurance policy for 3C who can also play wing. If we look at the list of UFA's, it's Henrique, Monahan, Lindholm, Wennberg, Stephenson, Roslovic, Novak. I don't see Hayes as any worse than any of those options especially when considering the cost and every single one of those players is going to be looking at 2-4 year deals very likely.
I think if we look at the total picture, cost to acquire, role the team needs not just this year but moving forward, cap hit, etc, Hayes it the one that fits. I don't want to move prime assets for a rental and I don't like the other options at all.
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I prefer we play small ball this TDL despite my earlier fantastical transaction posts.
Hold onto Kakko, we still need a C and RW and depth D
Sundqvist, Novak, Duclair come to mind, guys like that
Hold onto Kakko, we still need a C and RW and depth D
Sundqvist, Novak, Duclair come to mind, guys like that
I wonder how much owners make having a bonafide superstar/generational talent on their roster vs winning a single cup.
Like... is it more profitable for the Oilers to have McDavid with no cups, or to have no McDavid but win a single cup during the length of his career.
NYR Viper
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If their going to play small ball, go trade for Girgensons and at least fill the 3rd line with a real center. The guy has like no offense but who cares? He should cost practically nothing. Roll the Vesey-Goodrow-Pitlick and Cuylle-Girgensons-Kakko lines as 3A and 3B lines. That would leave ~$3-4m to find a good RWer.
haohmaru
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I'll take Kevin Hayes (and the assets it'll cost) > Henrique (and the MORE assets it'll cost) any day of the week.
Hayes, Vatrano, & a 7D and let's go.
Hayes, Vatrano, & a 7D and let's go.
NYR Viper
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If we just look at the numbers Hayes should be the guy. The reason he will cost so little is because other teams will be hesitant to take on 2 more years of his contract but in the Rangers case, with the uncertainty of Chytil, he actually fills a role beyond this year.
SA16
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I don't think the team leading the league in points is looking to move players. They already made their big move and no longer have the cap space/draft assets to make another. He's also having a good year and is an important part of their 3rd line. They also were never looking to move him. He reportedly had requested a trade (though he later said that wasn't true but who knows if that was just PR or not).
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There are really 3 reasons I'd be against a Vatrano trade.
1. Cost given the extra year and what he's doing this year. His rate of production won't continue as he will not sniff PP1 here.
2. Even if you want to spring for a one dimensional forward, hes the wrong type of one dimensional forward to spring for. He does a good job carrying the puck through the NZ and into the OZ with control (at least he did when he was here, I don't know how that has looked in Anaheim) but he's always looking to shoot it first. A pass first version would be a better fit (no that isn't Patrick Kane, who still pretty much sucks at everything when he isn't busy being hurt.)
3. It's just further reinforcing the Zibanejad-Kreider combo but this kind of ties into point 2. Fixing Kreider may be and probably is as simple as just getting him on another line. Zibanejad needs a certain type of support that isn't Vatrano so even if they dud end up moving Kreider off the line (they won't as Lavi is married to it), it isn't helping Z.
@Amazing Kreiderman mentioned this on twitter but I thought I'd expand on it.
Fans/Media seem to have a warped view on what Kreider-Zibanejad-Vatrano actually was. That line got their collective asses kicked during the 2022 playoffs.
This was with a better version of Zibanejad. Regular season numbers look MUCH better, but their goal share was really driven by stellar defensive numbers which I'm guessing were a result of facing subpar competition down the stretch.
Look at the disparity between the regular season numbers and the playoff numbers. Expected goals per 60 dropped by about .5. expected Goals against per 60 went up by 1.6!
Would be the most short sighted add ever. Vatrano provided good value for what they gave up for him a few years ago. they needed goal scoring on the cheap and thats what they got, even if it was at the expense of being able to do much of anything else when he was out there.
He won't cost a 4th this time around and his acquisition will only serve to fail a revival of a duo that should have been buried already.
#saynotovatrano.
1. Cost given the extra year and what he's doing this year. His rate of production won't continue as he will not sniff PP1 here.
2. Even if you want to spring for a one dimensional forward, hes the wrong type of one dimensional forward to spring for. He does a good job carrying the puck through the NZ and into the OZ with control (at least he did when he was here, I don't know how that has looked in Anaheim) but he's always looking to shoot it first. A pass first version would be a better fit (no that isn't Patrick Kane, who still pretty much sucks at everything when he isn't busy being hurt.)
3. It's just further reinforcing the Zibanejad-Kreider combo but this kind of ties into point 2. Fixing Kreider may be and probably is as simple as just getting him on another line. Zibanejad needs a certain type of support that isn't Vatrano so even if they dud end up moving Kreider off the line (they won't as Lavi is married to it), it isn't helping Z.
@Amazing Kreiderman mentioned this on twitter but I thought I'd expand on it.
Fans/Media seem to have a warped view on what Kreider-Zibanejad-Vatrano actually was. That line got their collective asses kicked during the 2022 playoffs.
This was with a better version of Zibanejad. Regular season numbers look MUCH better, but their goal share was really driven by stellar defensive numbers which I'm guessing were a result of facing subpar competition down the stretch.
Look at the disparity between the regular season numbers and the playoff numbers. Expected goals per 60 dropped by about .5. expected Goals against per 60 went up by 1.6!
Would be the most short sighted add ever. Vatrano provided good value for what they gave up for him a few years ago. they needed goal scoring on the cheap and thats what they got, even if it was at the expense of being able to do much of anything else when he was out there.
He won't cost a 4th this time around and his acquisition will only serve to fail a revival of a duo that should have been buried already.
#saynotovatrano.
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might pull my hair out of Vatrano comes back
he's 10000000% going to be on Zib's line and they're gonna go right back to being the worst line in the league in the playoffs. He was easily one of our worst players against Tampa.
he's 10000000% going to be on Zib's line and they're gonna go right back to being the worst line in the league in the playoffs. He was easily one of our worst players against Tampa.
SA16
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I don't think they should be making decisions based on a 6 game sample size from 2 years ago.
NYR Viper
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In fairness, Vatrano has been the same player for most of his career. He's a nice secondary scoring threat but he isn't driving offense. I don't think he would be #1 on my board especially assuming the cost.
Let me just say:
Vatrano
22-23
27 5v5 points in 81 games
1.5 p/60 @ 5v5
23-24
16 5v5 points in 50 games
1.5 p/60 @ 5v5
Duclair
22-23
8 5v5 points in 20 games
1.9 p/60 @ 5v5
23-24
11 points in 46 games
1.1 p/60 @ 5v5
I'm not paying a 1st for Vatrano when Duclair probably costs a mid-round pick and can actually help with transporting the puck
SA16
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Duclair is a LW when they need a RW which makes him not a great fit unless they're moving guys positions around again.
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He's been on RW most of the season and is on the RW for them right now.
Duclair and Dowd would be my two preferred pickups.
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