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Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

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Why is everyone preemptively whining about trading premium assets (f*** does that mean?) for Frank Vatrano?

Drury traded 1sts for former 40 goal scorers and Hart winners, not random average NHLers having nice seasons. Hive mind spinning itself in circles for no reason.
 
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effen said:
Why is everyone preemptively whining about trading premium assets (f*** does that mean?) for Frank Vatrano?

Drury traded 1sts for former 40 goal scorers and Hart winners, not random average NHLers having nice seasons. Hive mind spinning itself in circles for no reason.
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1st round picks don't generally get dealt for a set caliber of player. They get dealt for the top guys available at that particular deadline. It's not a great buyer's market and Vatrano is one of the top names available.
 
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effen said:
Why is everyone preemptively whining about trading premium assets (f*** does that mean?) for Frank Vatrano?

Drury traded 1sts for former 40 goal scorers and Hart winners, not random average NHLers having nice seasons. Hive mind spinning itself in circles for no reason.
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Sean Monahan just got a 1st. I have no faith that the prices for Vatrano or Henrique will be reasonable.
 
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Machinehead said:
1st round picks don't generally get dealt for a set caliber of player. They get dealt for the top guys available at that particular deadline. It's not a great buyer's market and Vatrano is one of the top names available.
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Sure, but I see no evidence for where they are in their run that this year Drury goes for it by getting some middle six guys. Maybe if Igor rips off 10 wins in a row but the guy has eyes.

I find it more likely he does a soft reset for next year than load up on some TJ Maxx level guys.
 
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Sure, but I see no evidence for where they are in their run that this year Drury goes for it by getting some middle six guys. Maybe if Igor rips off 10 wins in a row but the guy has eyes.
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I would think so, but others have brought up the point that executives have a shelf life and the bottom line is winning. It's a fair point.

Drury’s boss doesn't know hockey and he might not see the nuance. He might look at it as he was in the ECF two years ago and now he's not.

This is all just possibility and we obviously don't know what the relationship between Drury and Dolan is. He let Leon Rose cook, maybe he lets Drury cook.

You can't always force executives to perform like you can with coaches. Planning a roster has a lot more to it than "this is the team you have, I went the best possible results out of it."

If Drury does go out and make underwhelming moves to plaster up holes, I would take that as an indication that he has some heat on him.
 
Did you guys see Vatranos interviews at the ASG? Kind of odd how much he’s praising another team while being a Duck, saying playing for NYR was the highlight of his career and when asked who the most underrated player in the league is he says Zibanejad and goes on about how great he is.
 
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I don't hate Vatrano but he might be the most underwhelming name out there.

He'll come at a decent cost because he's having a productive year, and he's not really fixing what needs to be fixed. We've already seen him and we already know that.

It would be a "last little push" move by a team that's not a last little push away from winning.
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Vatrano is a complimentary winger that has an excellent shot and can score goals. He is not good defensively, but put him in the right spot, he will succeed, on a contender or rebuild team. I've personally have seen both sides of the coin with that.

I agree that he doesn't fill the need, which, imho is a two-way 2C/3C. Henrique isn't some defensive guru. but he is responsible on defense at least and also kills penalties and can win face offs. Would rather the Rangers target him and only him.
 
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Leonardo87 said:
Vatrano is a complimentary winger that has an excellent shot and can score goals. He is not good defensively, but put him in the right spot, he will succeed, on a contender or rebuild team. I've personally have seen both sides of the coin with that.

I agree that he doesn't fill the need, which, imho is a two-way 2C/3C. Henrique isn't some defensive guru. but he is responsible on defense at least and also kills penalties and can win face offs. Would rather the Rangers target him and only him.
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We don't need Guy Carbonneau. We just need an NHL center who knows where both ends of the rink are. That's basically Filip Chytil.
 
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Machinehead said:
We don't need Guy Carbonneau. We just need an NHL center who knows where both ends of the rink are. That's basically Filip Chytil.
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Henrique will be good I think if he comes here. But the cost will be a 1st. The market has been set after the recent trades.
 
Gourde and Tarasenko
Gourde and Kane
Gourde and Eberle
Gourde and Duclair
Gourde and Vatrano

In that order. Just not that enamored with Vatrano. Didnt mind him last time around because they got him on the cheap and he had the shoot first mentality needed.

No shot we can get Guentzel. I am sure there are a few other wingers out there, even Buchnevich.

Crosby is likely not going to happen. Maybe Hayes is the fall back to Gourde for me. I think I would prefer Hayes to Henrique but that is a bit of a toss up.
 
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Machinehead said:
Well, he's 63 years old so...actually no.
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I say we offer a conditional 2nd. You just know we'll meet the conditions & not win the cup anyway.

RGY said:
Gourde and Tarasenko
Gourde and Kane
Gourde and Eberle
Gourde and Duclair
Gourde and Vatrano

In that order. Just not that enamored with Vatrano. Didnt mind him last time around because they got him on the cheap and he had the shoot first mentality needed.

No shot we can get Guentzel. I am sure there are a few other wingers out there, even Buchnevich.

Crosby is likely not going to happen. Maybe Hayes is the fall back to Gourde for me. I think I would prefer Hayes to Henrique but that is a bit of a toss up.
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If these are our options, I'd rather do nothing. I'd take Gourde, but I have no interest in giving up picks or prospects for any of those wingers.
 
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I'm still mad we got a 2nd that might have (and didn't) become a 1st for Zuccarello. I'm not mad at the Rangers about it, I'm mad at the market. f*** you too, market.

Do that same trade this spring and you easily get a 1st, and a player, and the second pick has a condition to become another 1st.
 
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I blame St. Louis. Seriously. The St. Louis Blues f***ed up the market for years.

Before that 2019 deadline, Crosby and Ovechkin had just won the last three Cups. Before that, it was Kane and friends in Chicago.

And the whole league was saying "oh shit, you need to draft Hall of Famers to win the Cup, I'm not wasting a 1st round pick on my roster of not Hall of Famers."

Three months later, the f***ing Blues won the Cup. That has to be the most mid f***ing roster to win a championship in pro sports in my lifetime.

The idea that you need young, gamebreaking talent to win is mostly true, but that vibe of "hey, we can win!" is still alive from 2019.
 
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Machinehead said:
The Canucks had to go and blow their load for Lindholm. Anybody hoping for a buyer's market was done immediately.
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Depends on how obstinate GMs are. Lots of GMs are ultra miserly and ownership only cares if they turn a profit. I could see a lot of guys HODLing their 1sts/top prospects because f*** you thats why.

Colorado is capped out. Dallas is capped out. Boston could use some forwards hypothetically but they're 31-9. Boston has no 1st, 2nd, or 3rd this year and no 1st/2nd next year.

Are mid tier teams gonna make a run? I don't see how Detroit could think it has any equity. No one has money. How's this all gonna fit.
 
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EdJovanovski said:
Did you guys see Vatranos interviews at the ASG? Kind of odd how much he’s praising another team while being a Duck, saying playing for NYR was the highlight of his career and when asked who the most underrated player in the league is he says Zibanejad and goes on about how great he is.
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He was asked about his time in NY.

How do you want him to answer that question? lol.
 
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I say we offer a conditional 2nd. You just know we'll meet the conditions & not win the cup anyway.


If these are our options, I'd rather do nothing. I'd take Gourde, but I have no interest in giving up picks or prospects for any of those wingers.
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I dont have an interest in giving up the prospects, certainly not Kakko. Picks; it depends. This is a volatile market right now.

I don’t see Drury standing pat. The GM shelf life is a short one. Team is only 2 years removed from being up 2-0 in the ECF & are currently in 1st place. We will see, this is an unsettling market.
 
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