Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[CasusBelli]

Hell of a first line with Jake sniping from the right.

Edström has a back injury as I understand it. Week to week still

Hope it’s muscular.

 

[effen]

Hell of a first line with Jake sniping from the right.


Hope it’s muscular.

Spinal.

(I have no idea).

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Edström has a back injury as I understand it. Week to week still

I hope it's similar to what Buch had when he was a rookie and not something like a herniated disc.

 

[bigdog16]

Spinal.

(I have no idea).

This is the laugh I needed this morning. If you know you know.

 

[NYR Viper]

Goodrow played with Gourde and Coleman.

The year prior perhaps? Or maybe it was just based on injuries when they occurred. Or I'm just wrong...

 

[McRanger92]

Staple saying Rangers inquired on Vatrano and are interested in Henrique. Both guys fit and would make our forwards much deeper but I hoping for more creative solutions from Drury

 

[will1066]

Spinal.

(I have no idea).

Please leave this up to the professional HFDocs like @GoAwayPanarin

 

[GAGLine]

Staple saying Rangers inquired on Vatrano and are interested in Henrique. Both guys fit and would make our forwards much deeper but I hoping for more creative solutions from Drury

I hope we aren't seriously targeting them. Neither will be cheap and I can't see either being here long term. I don't want to spend a 1st round pick, or even a 2nd round pick, on a rental. Yes, Vatrano has 1 year left, but he's not a long-term solution. Anything we do should be predicated on how the team plays between now and the deadline. If they continue to be a .500 team, I don't want to trade for anyone unless they are a significant long-term addition.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

We could have just kept Vatrano for free, now Drury is likely willing to trade a 1st for him (which will no doubt be the going rate for him).

To Ducks:
- 1st Round Pick
- 3rd Round Pick
- Kakko
- Robertson

To Rangers:
- Zegras
- Vatrano


Get er done slats!

 

[McRanger92]

I hope we aren't seriously targeting them. Neither will be cheap and I can't see either being here long term. I don't want to spend a 1st round pick, or even a 2nd round pick, on a rental. Yes, Vatrano has 1 year left, but he's not a long-term solution. Anything we do should be predicated on how the team plays between now and the deadline. If they continue to be a .500 team, I don't want to trade for anyone unless they are a significant long-term addition.

I’m inretested in 2-3 year solutions because that’s the window we are in. Don’t love Henrique at market price especially when he’s a bad vibes guy based on our history. Vatrano would definitely help as a shooter who would be confident coming in on a line that has produced in the past. Ultimately I don’t think they’ll pay the asking price. I do like the idea of a getting 2 guys to fill needs from a team. Seattle/Washington/SJ come to mind

 

[GAGLine]

We could have just kept Vatrano for free, now Drury is likely willing to trade a 1st for him (which will no doubt be the going rate for him).

To Ducks:
- 1st Round Pick
- 3rd Round Pick
- Kakko
- Robertson

To Rangers:
- Zegras
- Vatrano


Get er done slats!

Sure, if we had the cap space. We couldn't have given him that contract.

I don't think that's enough to get both Zegras and Vatrano. It's basically Kakko and 1st. The rest have little value.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Sure, if we had the cap space. We couldn't have given him that contract.

I don't think that's enough to get both Zegras and Vatrano. It's basically Kakko and 1st. The rest have little value.

Don't remember what our cap situation looked like that summer but that contract definitely turned into a steal for just 3.8M.

And yea, that's just a dream, it definitely would cost a lot more.

 

[GAGLine]

I’m inretested in 2-3 year solutions because that’s the window we are in. Don’t love Henrique at market price especially when he’s a bad vibes guy based on our history. Vatrano would definitely help as a shooter who would be confident coming in on a line that has produced in the past. Ultimately I don’t think they’ll pay the asking price. I do like the idea of a getting 2 guys to fill needs from a team. Seattle/Washington/SJ come to mind

I very much disagree with the bolded. It's a self-defeating view. If we believe that we have to win within the next 2-3 years, we will make moves that only benefit us within that time frame, meaning that after that timeframe has passed and we probably still haven't won a cup, we are going to be that much worse afterward.

 

[bernmeister]

Staple saying Rangers inquired on Vatrano and are interested in Henrique. Both guys fit and would make our forwards much deeper but I hoping for more creative solutions from Drury

time for Vats is passed; he is not being given away, and we cannot squander young assets for age. After we acquired, I wanted us to pay the 3.75-ish m x 4 it would take to extend.
But nnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
instead we added multiple chump change on lesser deals.
Beyond stupid

As to Henrique, no on youth for vets
just no

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

time for Vats is passed; he is not being given away, and we cannot squander young assets for age. After we acquired, I wanted us to pay the 3.75-ish m x 4 it would take to extend.
But nnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
instead we added multiple chump change on lesser deals.
Beyond stupid

As to Henrique, no on youth for vets
just no

It’s so funny that Goodrow makes basically the same exact amount as him lol

 

[bernmeister]

I hope we aren't seriously targeting them. Neither will be cheap and I can't see either being here long term. I don't want to spend a 1st round pick, or even a 2nd round pick, on a rental. Yes, Vatrano has 1 year left, but he's not a long-term solution. Anything we do should be predicated on how the team plays between now and the deadline. If they continue to be a .500 team, I don't want to trade for anyone unless they are a significant long-term addition.

welcome to camp bern

 

[GAGLine]

welcome to camp bern

We aren't the same. You want to trade every player for every shiny new prospect. You never care about winning today.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I hope we aren't seriously targeting them. Neither will be cheap and I can't see either being here long term. I don't want to spend a 1st round pick, or even a 2nd round pick, on a rental. Yes, Vatrano has 1 year left, but he's not a long-term solution. Anything we do should be predicated on how the team plays between now and the deadline. If they continue to be a .500 team, I don't want to trade for anyone unless they are a significant long-term addition.

I agree and Verbeek will want more - esepcially if its Vat and Henrique

Hes trying to build that club up and he's already got a young core to build around (that is, if he intends to keep Zegras), A 1st is nice but my guess is for a package like that he'll want a guy like Jones or Kakko in addition to that. And now you are giving up way too much imo

 

[bernmeister]

We could have just kept Vatrano for free, now Drury is likely willing to trade a 1st for him (which will no doubt be the going rate for him).

To Ducks:
- 1st Round Pick
- 3rd Round Pick
- Kakko
- Robertson

To Rangers:
- Zegras
- Vatrano


Get er done slats!

the cost and correct currency is a base of Othmann + Berard + for Z.
They want to keep Vats and need Ws.
KK is not a throw in and Oth is the piece to move here.
With Z out 2-ish months due to broken ankle and Oth at start of elc cost control, that is the correct fit.
We need to keep KK to pair w/Cuylle and, no Chytil, eventually have Z pivot that line.

not keeping Vats earlier when all it would have taken is not give contracts to drek is a mistake we cannot undo nor now rectify w/o big cost

 

[bernmeister]

It’s so funny that Goodrow makes basically the same exact amount as him lol

A coincidence
Good is overpaid .6m ish.
While not delivering star return, until injuries added up he basically has been productive.

What killed us w/Vats is like 4 smaller contracts under 1m who were not worth it

We aren't the same. You want to trade every player for every shiny new prospect. You never care about winning today.

False x 2
every x 2 is hyoerbole

I want to win today by having been much smarter about it yesterday, when moves taken/not taken = a signif difference.

After bad moves, our options are fewer.

 

[Nickmo82]

I dunno if Zegras suggestions are genuine, but isn't he the type of player a lot of you dump on Mika etc for being?

 

[irishlaxburger2]

I dunno if Zegras suggestions are genuine, but isn't he the type of player a lot of you dump on Mika etc for being?

I think you can get away with having that type of player as your 2C making 2C money.

It's extremely problematic if that player is your 1C. So if Zegras is slated as our future 1C, yes I have an issue with it.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I think you can get away with having that type of player as your 2C making 2C money.

It's extremely problematic if that player is your 1C. So if Zegras is slated as our future 1C, yes I have an issue with it.

Our 2C for now, and you hope you turns into the future 1C who is putting up 80+ points.

 

[turcotte8]

I dunno if Zegras suggestions are genuine, but isn't he the type of player a lot of you dump on Mika etc for being?

Yes he is more of the same of what we already have. He's a younger cheaper Mika who's worse at defense.

 

[duhmetreE]

We need Sam Bennett types. Not Zegras

Dowd can fill that role somewhat. Those players are hard to find and it’s why I was clamoring for him when he was on Calgary….