Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[Machinehead]

TDL 2024?

21 - 93 - ?

10 - 16 - 13

50 - ? - 24

21 - ? - 26



Spares: Wheeler/McCarron (Nashville)



55 - 23

79 - 8

56 - 4

Spare: Merril or Bogosian (Minnesota)



31

32



Fill in the ? With good role players.

If the team again falters - retool a bit in the offseason

Maybe doing a bit of unexpected moves.

You have us adding five players with no salary going out. That's bold.

 

[McRanger92]

TDL 2024?

21 - 93 - ?

10 - 16 - 13

50 - ? - 24

21 - ? - 26



Spares: Wheeler/McCarron (Nashville)



55 - 23

79 - 8

56 - 4

Spare: Merril or Bogosian (Minnesota)



31

32



Fill in the ? With good role players.

If the team again falters - retool a bit in the offseason

Maybe doing a bit of unexpected moves.

The defense core isnt good enough to win 4 rounds. Lindgren is a warrior but hes small and moveable. When Miller isnt scoring (2 points in his last 15) hes utterly useless because he doesn't defend and cant get the puck out of his zone. Hes not a fit with Trouba regardless.

 

[leetch99]

Minor moves outside of a Dowd type move I would do to finish out the season.
Bread-Tro-Laf
Cuylee-Mika-Kreider
Vesey-Dowd?-Kakko
Goodrow & Brodz-Wheeler -Pitlick-Edstrom....pick 3 like the lottery .

IMO...we need the 3 C over the RW at this time especially if we can move Kreider over to RW . Grab a cheap D and go to work and pray like heck that Shesty reinvents himself in time . I don't see any magic bullet solution that will make us that much more improved for a long playoff run and they won't trade core pieces at this time .....so retain our 1st round picks for future use .

I think the break will be beneficial for a few guys who are playing banged up in all likelihood especially Trouba/Lindgren . I think Cuylee is ready for that bump in minutes and it adds a different look to our top 6 that was lacking . Kreider should be able to play 5on5 hockey on his off wing without losing offense or hurting his PP scoring . Anyways.....just thinking out loud .

 

[NickyFotiu]

Friedman has us as in on Monahan and other than the contract I don’t see that as much better of an option.

When PLD is on his game he is pretty good but his motivation has been questioned so many times. I don't think NY fans would appreciate that for long.

 

[Kovalev27]

Either Henrique or Monahan would make a difference. They're both NHL players which we currently don't possess in that spot.

My problem with them is that they both suck defensively which makes an existing issue worse, and more importantly, they both have big names so they're going to cost way more than they should.

You make a good and very obvious point we’ve been running an AHLer out as a 3C literally all season. Not like a kid with nhl upside I mean a veteran ahl lifer. That’s nuts. I’m not sure how we’re in a playoff spot let alone first place when you couple that with how shesterkin has played this year.

Fixing that with a proven nhler and Igor finding his form in the spring which he’s done the last few years should make us a very tough team.

Look at the teams behind us. Theyre all deeply flawed too even worse or they wouldn’t be behind us.

 

[duhmetreE]

Ottawa didn't even give up two 1sts when Chychrun had an extra year of term. Plus there are rumors he won't re-sign with them. No chance they're getting two firsts for him now.

Not sure why I remember it as two firsts, even better.

Give them a 1st and prospect or a conditional pick

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

10-16-13
20-71-91 (Greig, Tarasenko)
50-93-24
26-22-17

71 HS

56-23
6-8 (Chychrun)
55-4

33 HS (Lassi Thomson)

32-31 (until Igor proves he can start again)

The departed:
Miller, Berard, Goodrow, Jones, any non-first round pick, any individual player in Hartford not named Othmann.

 

[Profet]

I still think this team goes no where until they have a system in place. They had one to start the year... but that's all gone now.

This offense is gimmicky... and that doesn't work in the playoffs.

 

[Anthony5967]

So the only way out of the "quagmire of mediocrity" (we've been a top 5 (happy now?) team in the East the past 3 seasons) is to keep draft picks that wont become anything for 3 years minimum? I'm not sure I'm following that logic either.

The team is in first place despite being mediocre for 2 months, they are in a Cup window with this core, and you cant move any of them until the summer anyway. Im not saying trade 1sts for rentals like the clownish beat writers have suggested, but you need to make a move or 2 to help the team out. You dont just punt on the season in a weak Metro division and Eastern Conference. The team needs a 3C and another defenseman.

Most logical post I have seen. I'm not standing pat. Why watch remainder of year then? Jesus. This team just had a 1 and 2 overall and neither are superstars. A slew of picks in 2018, two in 2017, one bust and other's career may end. Yes, I am going to sit here and hold out my 27th overall pick in a weak draft to not acquire a Gourde type of 3C. Smart.

 

[cheech70]

The way Kaapo dropped so quick off Mika's line since coming back tells me that he is on the block. How can he continue to flub his chances? K2 and KAM are the centerpiece for a top 6 forward and Left defenseman with term under or at 30 yrs old.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

No UFAs, no problem - Ottawa is the answer

Lindgren, Berard, McC-B, 1st for

Pinto, Chychrun @ 3.1 mi,, Joseph, 3rd

AP VT AL
WC MZ KK
CK Pinto Joseph
JV BG BW

Key AF
Chychrun JT
Gus BS

 

[Anthony5967]

I would be very okay with sending my 1st to Seattle if they ate half on Gourde this year and next.

Tyler Johnson, Elliote? Dear God. He sucks.

 

[tomobson]

Have to wait and see if Mika can start playing hockey at 5v5 before I pull the trigger on a big trade. Losing Chytil really hurts because I think what this team has done with the bottom six they've been icing so far is pretty miraculous. If Mika improves then you can still make a big trade for a center and deal with the cap next season if Chytil returns. If Chytil does return I also have no issues moving him to RW. Having a winger than can play well at center in a pinch is always a nice luxury to have.

The defense has been iffy but Fox and Lindgren look banged up to me. Hopefully this time off helps both of them reset. Also, Lav needs to break up the pairings. Miller/Trouba have never been a good pairing and Lindgren needs less minutes to try and keep him healthy for the playoffs.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't like that.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Have to wait and see if Mika can start playing hockey at 5v5 before I pull the trigger on a big trade. Losing Chytil really hurts because I think what this team has done with the bottom six they've been icing so far is pretty miraculous. If Mika improves then you can still make a big trade for a center and deal with the cap next season if Chytil returns. If Chytil does return I also have no issues moving him to RW. Having a winger than can play well at center in a pinch is always a nice luxury to have.

The defense has been iffy but Fox and Lindgren look banged up to me. Hopefully this time off helps both of them reset. Also, Lav needs to break up the pairings. Miller/Trouba have never been a good pairing and Lindgren needs less minutes to try and keep him healthy for the playoffs.

Fox has been pretty fire for a grip now. Don’t let the Lindgren sandbag fool you.

Lindgren needs to play for another team. People need to look beyond the grit and blood. He’s not that good and really hinders the flexibility you have with the rest of the group.

 

[McRanger92]

Fox has been pretty fire for a grip now. Don’t let the Lindgren sandbag fool you.

Lindgren needs to play for another team. People need to look beyond the grit and blood. He’s not that good and really hinders the flexibility you have with the rest of the group.

We need guys who can throw a hit and take a hit in the top D. Lindgren is always bleeding because big players manhandle him. Miller can stay but he needs to play with Fox so they can spend all their time on offense. Trouba would look much better with a stay at home guy who has size and plays physical. AKA Lindgren if he was 6 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier.

 

[bhamill]

NYR are neither "mired in mediocrity" nor a rental away from a legit shot at the cup. They are a GOOD team, though currently not an excellent one. They are "Mika and Shesty at the top of their games," while ALSO adding a 3C (rental or not), away from having a real shot...
The move is to accept the very real chance that Fil NEVER comes back and acquire a young/prospect 3C. And to do it SOONER rather than waiting til prices are up at the TDL. OR we can wait and see if our 1G and 1C come back into form by the TDL and make a move then for a cheap rental if they do. If this is Mika and Shesty for the year, we're done; then there is no point in moving assets for a run this year, make a deal for a young 3C when the opportunity arises and f*** rentals.

 

[McRanger92]

NYR are neither "mired in mediocrity" nor a rental away from a legit shot at the cup. They are a GOOD team, though currently not an excellent one. They are "Mika and Shesty at the top of their games," while ALSO adding a 3C (rental or not), away from having a real shot...
The move is to accept the very real chance that Fil NEVER comes back and acquire a young/prospect 3C. And to do it SOONER rather than waiting til prices are up at the TDL. OR we can wait and see if our 1G and 1C come back into form by the TDL and make a move then for a cheap rental if they do. If this is Mika and Shesty for the year, we're done; then there is no point in moving assets for a run this year, make a deal for a young 3C when the opportunity arises and f*** rentals.

Give me Dowd or Sturm now, and Pinto in the summer when that trade is easier to make. They will need 2 centers anyway if the buyout or move Goodrow like we all want

 

[bhamill]

Give me Dowd or Sturm now, and Pinto in the summer when that trade is easier to make. They will need 2 centers anyway if the buyout or move Goodrow like we all want

Depending on the deals themselves, that's a reasonable tact. Maybe Goodrow even goes in one of the deals since these bottom teams may value some experience and leadership. Goodrow is not a useless player, it's just that with a stagnant cap his contract has become "problematic". hahaha. if he was making 1.8-2 mil we'd all prob be fine with him.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We need guys who can throw a hit and take a hit in the top D. Lindgren is always bleeding because big players manhandle him. Miller can stay but he needs to play with Fox so they can spend all their time on offense. Trouba would look much better with a stay at home guy who has size and plays physical. AKA Lindgren if he was 6 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier.

I’m always mystified by how these narratives get created.

The idea that Lindgren is a rock solid defender and Miller is a train wreck is hilarious.

peep this (there are 5v5 stats)

Miller's xGA/60 is basically in line with Lindgren. He has drawn the tougher matchups 5v5 this year and he plays with Trouba (whose numbers are even worse), Lindgren plays with Fox who is legit elite at both ends of the ice.

Despite this, Lindgren has a TEAM HIGH HDCA/60, even worse than trouba (LOL at the gap between him and Fox here.)

Trouba can't play a stay at home role because he isn't good at defense (or offense, really anything other than trucking people and throwing helmets.) I'm starting to question if Lindgren is truly good at anything other than getting blown the f*** up. His PK numbers have taken a beating of late too.

 

[bhamill]

Give me Dowd or Sturm now, and Pinto in the summer when that trade is easier to make. They will need 2 centers anyway if the buyout or move Goodrow like we all want

I will say though, that we may be able to fill 4C with Edstrom next year. And he may eventually be a 3C.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Give me Dowd or Sturm now, and Pinto in the summer when that trade is easier to make. They will need 2 centers anyway if the buyout or move Goodrow like we all want

Edstrom.

Just play Edstrom when hes healthy enough to go. He's better than Goodrow.

 

[haohmaru]

The way Kaapo dropped so quick off Mika's line since coming back tells me that he is on the block. How can he continue to flub his chances? K2 and KAM are the centerpiece for a top 6 forward and Left defenseman with term under or at 30 yrs old.

Kakko on the block would be a moronic mis-step for this organization. He hasn't developed the way we would've liked/hoped but he's a cheap guy against the cap that won't cost a ton to re-sign if he continues his current path and is a valuable guy on the ice. The Rangers need more Kakkos, not less.

 

[Anthony5967]

Give me Dowd or Sturm now, and Pinto in the summer when that trade is easier to make. They will need 2 centers anyway if the buyout or move Goodrow like we all want

This team needs a 3C with offense to his game. Gourde is overexposed as a 1C. He is, however, an excellent 3C. They should try for him. Sturm would be nice as a 4C. But, let's be real, they're going to add a 3C like Henrique at 50% and a guy like Sprong if Detroit sells and that's it.

Kakko on the block would be a moronic mis-step for this organization. He hasn't developed the way we would've liked/hoped but he's a cheap guy against the cap that won't cost a ton to re-sign if he continues his current path and is a valuable guy on the ice. The Rangers need more Kakkos, not less.

I agree. People wanted to dump Fast so quickly and then years later clamoring for him to return. Hell, Gorton couldn't even find $2M per to keep him. Kakko had 40 points last year. I'm keeping him at $3M.

 

[McRanger92]

I’m always mystified by how these narratives get created.

The idea that Lindgren is a rock solid defender and Miller is a train wreck is hilarious.

peep this (there are 5v5 stats)

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Miller's xGA/60 is basically in line with Lindgren. He has drawn the tougher matchups 5v5 this year and he plays with Trouba (whose numbers are even worse), Lindgren plays with Fox who is legit elite at both ends of the ice.

Despite this, Lindgren has a TEAM HIGH HDCA/60, even worse than trouba (LOL at the gap between him and Fox here.)

Trouba can't play a stay at home role because he isn't good at defense (or offense, really anything other than trucking people and throwing helmets.) I'm starting to question if Lindgren is truly good at anything other than getting blown the f*** up. His PK numbers have taken a beating of late too.

Lindgren is a glorified team mascot who should be nowhere but the 3rd pair with Schneider. Miller's underlying numbers are fine but he doesnt put up points and cant defend in the Dzone. Hence why he should be with Fox. Neither guy is physical (Lindgren is small and at least tries, Miller is tall and doesnt). My whole point is we need a guy with size who can defend in the top 4 if we want to fix the defense. It would allow Trouba to step up for hits and pinch down the wall on offense, which he is good at.