Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[McRanger92]

This. And this is the reason I'd look to move Berard.

Panarin is not going anywhere. Kreider still has several good years left, and isn't the guy we should move to clear cap. Laf isn't going anywhere. Kakko likely isn't going anywhere. Cuylle has the third line locked down, and Othmann needs a spot soon. Sykora (LW) is one of our top prospects too.

That limits Berard to 4th line at best, or we're moving someone above. Berard is still young enough, and has the skills to have a shot at somebody's Top 6 IF they get him young enough to prepare him for that kind of role. If we can use that to fill holes we have right now, this year - like immediate top 6, 3C, or upgrading the D, that's a small price to pay, and it will fetch a lot more than if we throw him in a package when he's 23-24, or lose him to the waiver wire.

If we need a bottom 6 winger in the future, there are plenty of young players coming up who could slot into that role temporarily whose timeline aligns better with when the team will be moving on from guys like Panarin and Kreider (guys like Sykora), and there are plenty of serviceable young players coming through the system that may fit in those kinds of roles (guys like Rempe and Edstrom).

Berard is easily the guy Im most willing to dangle in a trade. I like him but Sykora plays his future role better and Cuylle/Othmann/Kakko have much higher upside. Edstrom/Rempe have the size that makes me prefer them for future bottom 6 roles. Edstrom i would part with in the right move but that would be painful.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Panarin-Trocheck-Laf
Kreider-Mika-Wheelchair
Cuylle-Dowd-Kakko
Vesey-Goodrow-Edstrom
Brodzinski

Miller-Fox
Hanifin-Trouba
Gus-Schneider

Quick
Igor

Gotta do more research on Dowd but he's interesting. Guy kills the Rangers it feels like.

 

[hardnosed]

I have yet to hear a convincing case as to why we should trade Miller when his value has likely dipped from what it was last year.

There are instances where I think sell low makes sense, this isn't one of them.

I'm on board with moving Lindgren, on board with trying to move Trouba. I think that's more than enough of a shakeup.

It's pretty clear cut with Miller. If you think this season is an aberration and that he will get better going forward, then you hold. But if you think this is it and that he will never grasp how to play defense, then you consider trading him. Because, while his value may be lower than it was last year, it could get even lower if he doesn't stop making so many stupid mistakes.

 

[McRanger92]

Gotta do more research on Dowd but he's interesting. Guy kills the Rangers it feels like.

Always kills us and he's a prick. I know people want offense, but putting an aggressive forechecker and defender between the 2 big boys on the 3rd line is exactly what the doctor ordered. Teams that win cups have mismatches on their 3rd line. Plus its for 2 years at a number we dont need retention. Does a 2nd and a 4th get it done? Id part with a 1st if we could get a defender like Edmundson in the deal.

 

[Kocur Dill]

If Zadarov is really being shopped (Ufa ask too high?)

Do Zadarov plus either Blueger/Suter make us a better team if Lindgren (rfa) goes the other way?

I dont know about eye test with Blueger or Suter but thier +/- is decent and both are good at FO with 49.5% Suter and 51.2% Blueger.

Both are at 20ish pts. Blueger more A (10 s%), Suter more G (20.3 s% w/2GWG)

If VC is looking for a longer term D man and Zadarov is pushing boundaries maybe there is a fit.

 

[Rongomania]

Always kills us and he's a prick. I know people want offense, but putting an aggressive forechecker and defender between the 2 big boys on the 3rd line is exactly what the doctor ordered. Teams that win cups have mismatches on their 3rd line. Plus its for 2 years at a number we dont need retention. Does a 2nd and a 4th get it done? Id part with a 1st if we could get a defender like Edmundson in the deal.

A bigger deal to fill the Chytil offensive hole which has been beginning to really creep up on and kill us + a deal like this is exactly what we need .

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Selling low on Miller would be the absolute dumbest thing this franchise could do. That’s a player that going to be developing for another 5 years minimum.

 

[McRanger92]

Selling low on Miller would be the absolute dumbest thing this franchise could do. That’s a player that going to be developing for another 5 years minimum.

Are we selling low? I feel like teams would give up a haul for him for exactly the reason you think. Intoxicated by the potential.

 

[redwhiteandblue]

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[GoAwayPanarin]

Are we selling low? I feel like teams would give up a haul for him for exactly the reason you think. Intoxicated by the potential.

Maybe not, but you’re removing him for what’s likely going to be a lateral
Move or maybe a slight improvement while keeping the actual problems around.

If you think his value is that high, it’s likely
To be that high in a few months.

Trouba is an impossible move right now so yeah, summer time to revisit that idea.

#55 should be moved asap. That would likely be addition by subtraction.

 

[McRanger92]

A bigger deal to fill the Chytil offensive hole which has been beginning to really creep up on and kill us + a deal like this is exactly what we need .

My opinion is that at a certain point, our offense is going to sink or swim with how Panarin/Zibanejad/Kreider perform 5v5 in the playoffs. Making a large move for a winger with the hope that it will "fix" Mika/Kreider at even strength is the flawed thinking that got Kane and Tarasenko here last year. Its been ugly with Wheelchair, but I say let it ride. The line produces with him on it, and I do think hes starting to look more comfortable as a Ranger. 8 day break will help. All 3 guys should be very motivated this playoffs, especially because its big Blake's last ride.

 

[Rongomania]

Selling low on Miller would be the absolute dumbest thing this franchise could do. That’s a player that going to be developing for another 5 years minimum.

I know people will torch but he has always had that 'Chara' vibe to me. Explodes later, but IT was always there.

 

[McRanger92]

Maybe not, but you’re removing him for what’s likely going to be a lateral
Move or maybe a slight improvement while keeping the actual problems around.

If you think his value is that high, it’s likely
To be that high in a few months.

Trouba is an impossible move right now so yeah, summer time to revisit that idea.

#55 should be moved asap. That would likely be addition by subtraction.

Totally agree that Lindgren is the guy to move, he just doesnt have anywhere near Miller's value. And as I mentioned, Miller's shortcomings would be remedied if you played him with Fox.

A move I keep coming back to is Ryan Lindgren and a pick to Washington for Dowd and Edmundson. Hockey trade. Reunite the Lindgren brothers and fill 2 major needs for us. The flaw in my thinking is that there is no team that's victimized Lindgren more over the last few years than the Caps. They might not be interested.

 

[Anthony5967]

I just pray Drury nails this. They have to know what they're missing with Chytil's aggressiveness, speed and shot. Gourde is the guy I want. Bjugstad is another. I don't want to part with a 1st for a rental in Lindholm, and I am not doing business with MTL knowing there will be influence from Gorton to rob us. **** that.

Gourde
Dowd
Bjugstad

 

[Rongomania]

My opinion is that at a certain point, our offense is going to sink or swim with how Panarin/Zibanejad/Kreider perform 5v5 in the playoffs. Making a large move for a winger with the hope that it will "fix" Mika/Kreider at even strength is the flawed thinking that got Kane and Tarasenko here last year. Its been ugly with Wheelchair, but I say let it ride. The line produces with him on it, and I do think hes starting to look more comfortable as a Ranger. 8 day break will help. All 3 guys should be very motivated this playoffs, especially because its big Blake's last ride.

I agree with this for sure.

Though I do think making a big deal for a center because we have no idea re: Chytils future is the move. Then do the 'Dowd move' you mentioned with a different team for a solid but very annoying hard working winger + a dman are the moves I want to see.

 

[MrAlmost]

I believe Hanifin is the Rangers guy on LD. Lindgren plus other things makes too much sense. Him getting hurt right before break is comically Rongos. Maybe Calgary asked for Miller, but I bet they said no its Lindgren. He is the one whose contract is up, but is an RFA, which helps Calgary keep him around.

Moving Goodrow is not realistic. Sending him to San Jose for Sturm would be the best thing to happen to us, but they are likely on his no move list. Also, team is not likely to ask him to waive. Hey Goody, want to go from first in the Metro to last in the Pacific? Not likely. But I love Sturm and swapping them would make our 4th line really good.

Hayes is a good fit on that 3rd line. That line would be big and tough to beat in matchups every night. Hayes is a good 5v5 player and good defensively.

This team would be hard to beat in 7 games. If Im Drury, I try to make it happen:

Panarin-Trocheck-Laf
Kreider-Z-Wheeler
Cuylle-Hayes-Kakko
Vesey-Sturm-Pitlick

Hanifin-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Gus-Schneider

 

[McRanger92]

I agree with this for sure.

Though I do think making a big deal for a center because we have no idea re: Chytils future is the move. Then do the 'Dowd move' you mentioned with a different team for a solid but very annoying hard working winger + a dman are the moves I want to see.

If Drury has the appetite to make moves for multiple centers with team control, he should absolutely go for it now.

 

[Rongomania]

If Drury has the appetite to make moves for multiple centers with team control, he should absolutely go for it now.

Yeah for sure. I've been saying it all week as others have and know .. we're 10000% getting bent over because the whole hockey world knows Fil has no clue about his future as it lies. That's a very bad spot to be in. However, we have a 1st / 2nd and some very sexy prospects and current roster players. Appetizing to not only basement teams with pieces but some of these pieces are definitely sexy to a contender.

 

[McRanger92]

Yeah for sure. I've been saying it all week as others have and know .. we're 10000% getting bent over because the whole hockey world knows Fil has no clue about his future as it lies. That's a very bad spot to be in. However, we have a 1st / 2nd and some very sexy prospects and current roster players. Appetizing to not only basement teams with pieces but some of these pieces are definitely sexy to a contender.

Totally agree. This narrative that we should stand pat is such a loser mentality.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

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Where is the Edge bat signal?

 

[surlysailor]

Selling low on Miller would be the absolute dumbest thing this franchise could do. That’s a player that going to be developing for another 5 years minimum.

100% agree, firstly I'd love to see Miller away from Trouba. Yes he had a bad mistake in the Ott game but after that he was much better. The only way I would move Miller is if you're getting a guy like Faber or someone similar that plays the left side. The other team wouldn't do it but it would have to be for an ELC guy that's playing well with a huge upside. The right move in Lindgren, but either way I would be surprised if NYR make any big moves with its D core during the season. Lindgren & Miller both seemed to be big parts of the locker room and I think a move of either one (even if they get a better player) could end up making the team worse for this season.

 

[hardnosed]

I believe Hanifin is the Rangers guy on LD. Lindgren plus other things makes too much sense. Him getting hurt right before break is comically Rongos. Maybe Calgary asked for Miller, but I bet they said no its Lindgren. He is the one whose contract is up, but is an RFA, which helps Calgary keep him around.

Moving Goodrow is not realistic. Sending him to San Jose for Sturm would be the best thing to happen to us, but they are likely on his no move list. Also, team is not likely to ask him to waive. Hey Goody, want to go from first in the Metro to last in the Pacific? Not likely. But I love Sturm and swapping them would make our 4th line really good.

Hayes is a good fit on that 3rd line. That line would be big and tough to beat in matchups every night. Hayes is a good 5v5 player and good defensively.

This team would be hard to beat in 7 games. If Im Drury, I try to make it happen:

Panarin-Trocheck-Laf
Kreider-Z-Wheeler
Cuylle-Hayes-Kakko
Vesey-Sturm-Pitlick

Hanifin-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Gus-Schneider

Lindgren is a 1 year rental. While hes a RFA after this year, he's a UFA after 24/25. Don't know how Calgary keeps him around. He would be out of there so fast.

 

[McRanger92]

Lindgren is a 1 year rental. While hes a RFA after this year, he's a UFA after 24/25. Don't know how Calgary keeps him around. He would be out of there so fast.

Worth noting Calgary has 0 left defenseman under contract for next season.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Worth noting Calgary has 0 left defenseman under contract for next season.

My bad, misread.

Now that Kylington is back, they’ll likely sign him

 

[turcotte8]

Worth noting Calgary has 0 left defenseman under contract for next season.

Great they can have Trouba