Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

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If Drury really wanted to shake things up, I’d suggest he look into trading K’Andre to Calgary for Noah Hanifin.

Huh?

Hanifin is a pending UFA so any deal would have to come with contract extension. It’s not going to be cheap but Hanifin is a sturdy top four defenseman. Well rounded player who plays both sides of the puck and brings some much needed size. Long term, he could pair up with Fox or Trouba.

And I’m ready to sell on Miller. Wildly erratic player having an awful season. I’ve come to the conclusion this is the Miller we are getting. We’ve been tempted by his potential for years but this is his fourth year and this is the player we are getting. He's going to want Hanifin money a year from now.

I'm ready to move sooner than later.
 
This team needs a 3C with offense to his game. Gourde is overexposed as a 1C. He is, however, an excellent 3C. They should try for him. Sturm would be nice as a 4C. But, let's be real, they're going to add a 3C like Henrique at 50% and a guy like Sprong if Detroit sells and that's it.


I agree. People wanted to dump Fast so quickly and then years later clamoring for him to return. Hell, Gorton couldn't even find $2M per to keep him. Kakko had 40 points last year. I'm keeping him at $3M.

If we trade major assets for any rental its lipstick on a pig. We dont need offense from the 3C spot, we need Zibanejad to figure his shit out. We need a 3C who can defend and do the dirty work on the forecheck with Cuylle and Kakko.
 
If Drury really wanted to shake things up, I’d suggest he look into trading K’Andre to Calgary for Noah Hanifin.

Huh?

Hanifin is a pending UFA so any deal would have to come with contract extension. It’s not going to be cheap but Hanifin is a sturdy top four defenseman. Well rounded player who plays both sides of the puck and brings some much needed size. Long term, he could pair up with Fox or Trouba.

And I’m ready to sell on Miller. Wildly erratic player having an awful season. I’ve come to the conclusion this is the Miller we are getting. We’ve been tempted by his potential for years but this is his fourth year and this is the player we are getting. He's going to want Hanifin money a year from now.

I'm ready to move sooner than later.

He's still young though. 24 for D is still basically an infant.

If he develops a little bit of mean streak and makes some better decisions out there then he's going to be a guy we're going to look at regrettfully for years. There's obviously something going on with him this year but he's not a guy that I give up on yet.
 
If we trade major assets for any rental its lipstick on a pig. We dont need offense from the 3C spot, we need Zibanejad to figure his shit out. We need a 3C who can defend and do the dirty work on the forecheck with Cuylle and Kakko.
Gourde is that guy, but we also know he's a capable offensive player and has clutch moments in crunch time when the ice gets smaller. I do not want to send 1st for Lindholm. He isn't staying. I am with Bobbop on Hanifin. Always tough to judge a player through a poor stretch but he's having a poor year in general. Can it be the system? His on-ice decisions are suspect. Hanifin will want big time money though. Keep that in mind.
 
Lindgren is a glorified team mascot who should be nowhere but the 3rd pair with Schneider. Miller's underlying numbers are fine but he doesnt put up points and cant defend in the Dzone. Hence why he should be with Fox. Neither guy is physical (Lindgren is small and at least tries, Miller is tall and doesnt). My whole point is we need a guy with size who can defend in the top 4 if we want to fix the defense. It would allow Trouba to step up for hits and pinch down the wall on offense, which he is good at.

Is it that he can't defend in the d zone or is it that he plays with someone who can't defend in the D zone and carries the lions share of the blame for it because Trouba occasionally smashes people?

Trouba's numbers are worse than his so the "OH TROUBA IS BEING PUT IN BAD POSITIONS" narrative doesn't fit.

It's amazing how much being physical (or being on the wrong end of physicality in Lindgren's case, who is a human piñata as much as that offends some people) will get you slack from this fan base. Those 2 are the problem with the top 4 here and are the guys who should be moved on from ASAP.
 
Gourde is that guy, but we also know he's a capable offensive player and has clutch moments in crunch time when the ice gets smaller. I do not want to send 1st for Lindholm. He isn't staying. I am with Bobbop on Hanifin. Always tough to judge a player through a poor stretch but he's having a poor year in general. Can it be the system? His on-ice decisions are suspect. Hanifin will want big time money though. Keep that in mind.

Gourde is the best combination of offensive talent and grit they can get at 3C. I assume the cost will be high. 1st+a good prospect and another conditional pick? Id pay it best on who the prospect was. Dowd or Sturm I expect the cost to be somewhat lower with no retention. Hanifin for Miller would be panned here for whatever reason but it would actually be a very smart move long term.

Is it that he can't defend in the d zone or is it that he plays with someone who can't defend in the D zone and carries the lions share of the blame for it because Trouba occasionally smashes people?

Trouba's numbers are worse than his so the "OH TROUBA IS BEING PUT IN BAD POSITIONS" narrative doesn't fit.

It's amazing how much being physical (or being on the wrong end of physicality in Lindgren's case, who is a human piñata as much as that offends some people) will get you slack from this fan base. Those 2 are the problem with the top 4 here and are the guys who should be moved on from ASAP.

Trouba and Miller are both bad on defense. Trouba can actually move people and block shots, but he and Miller have been chaos outside the offensive zone for years and its both of their faults. Miller's numbers away from Trouba are great because he plays with Fox in those minutes.
 
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Gourde is the best combination of offensive talent and grit they can get at 3C. I assume the cost will be high. 1st+a good prospect and another conditional pick? Id pay it best on who the prospect was. Dowd or Sturm I expect the cost to be somewhat lower with no retention. Hanifin for Miller would be panned here for whatever reason but it would actually be a very smart move long term.

it would be a horrible move.

You're trading for a UFA to be (or at best, a guy you're signing to a retirement contract) and moving a player who has 3+ years of control while keeping the 2 guys on the defense who are actually the problem.

Plus if you're moving Miller, it should be for a younger player who isn't going to require a fat contract immediately.
 
it would be a horrible move.

You're trading for a UFA to be (or at best, a guy you're signing to a retirement contract) and moving a player who has 3+ years of control while keeping the 2 guys on the defense who are actually the problem.

Plus if you're moving Miller, it should be for a younger player who isn't going to require a fat contract immediately.

You're overrating Miller in my opinion. You can still move Trouba and Lindgren this summer. Drury should overhaul the whole defense outside of Fox and Schneider.
 
Gourde is the best combination of offensive talent and grit they can get at 3C. I assume the cost will be high. 1st+a good prospect and another conditional pick? Id pay it best on who the prospect was. Dowd or Sturm I expect the cost to be somewhat lower with no retention. Hanifin for Miller would be panned here for whatever reason but it would actually be a very smart move long term.



Trouba and Miller are both bad on defense. Trouba can actually move people and block shots, but he and Miller have been chaos outside the offensive zone for years and its both of their faults. Miller's numbers away from Trouba are great because he plays with Fox in those minutes.

That doesn't really matter and hasn't really had an impact on his numbers, again his are worse than Miller's. They've both been victimized by shit goaltending this year (they play the most minutes and Igor has sucked, so not surprising) more so than the other pairs but even when we adjust for minutes played, He's at the bottom or right next to the bottom in every single major statistic (or at the top of the wrong ones.)

Trouba is going to be an issue on any pair he plays with because he is one of the worst defensemen in the league at defending the rush. You park a dozen 747's in the gap he leaves between him and anyone carrying the puck. Thats a MUCH bigger issue when we're talking about defending, because its basically an open road to needing to block shots (which yeah, he does do, but it's not really a good thing.)

You're overrating Miller in my opinion. You can still move Trouba and Lindgren this summer. Drury should overhaul the whole defense outside of Fox and Schneider.

You're undervaluing Miller.

You don't move him for a UFA to be. Thats horrendous asset management even if you want to move on from the player.
 
I have yet to hear a convincing case as to why we should trade Miller when his value has likely dipped from what it was last year.

There are instances where I think sell low makes sense, this isn't one of them.

I'm on board with moving Lindgren, on board with trying to move Trouba. I think that's more than enough of a shakeup.
 
That doesn't really matter and hasn't really had an impact on his numbers, again his are worse than Miller's. They've both been victimized by shit goaltending this year (they play the most minutes and Igor has sucked, so not surprising) more so than the other pairs but even when we adjust for minutes played, He's at the bottom or right next to the bottom in every single major statistic (or at the top of the wrong ones.)

Trouba is going to be an issue on any pair he plays with because he is one of the worst defensemen in the league at defending the rush. You park a dozen 747's in the gap he leaves between him and anyone carrying the puck. Thats a MUCH bigger issue when we're talking about defending, because its basically an open road to needing to block shots (which yeah, he does do, but it's not really a good thing.)



You're undervaluing Miller.

You don't move him for a UFA to be. Thats horrendous asset management even if you want to move on from the player.

Im not defending Trouba anymore. He sucks and is overpaid. He'll be gone this summer. But he has been used as a crutch to defend Miller's poor play for too long. Miller had 4 points in 2 games coming out of the Christmas break when he said he "needed to be better", and has 2 in 15 since. Numbers are down across the board and he only plays hard when he feels like it, which this year has been extremely rare. Play him with Fox to cover up the warts before you deal him, but hes very much available in a trade

If we extend Hanifin (the only way I agree to such a move) it makes sense.. And Id trade Miller for a center like Pinto in a heartbeat then add Hanifin in a separate trade.
 
Thats exactly why he shouldnt be standing pat.

The Rangers don't have the assets or cap room to address this many flaws.

Making moves with this team in an attempt to win a Cup is pissing against the wind.

No thanks.

We need a top line RW. A center that can do more than just be good defensively. A puck moving defender that can also play a somewhat physical style.

We don't have what it takes to acquire all three
 
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The Rangers don't have the assets or cap room to address this many flaws.

Making moves with this team in an attempt to win a Cup is pissing against the wind.

No thanks.

We need a top line RW. A center that can do more than just be good defensively. A puck moving defender that can also play a somewhat physical style.

We don't have what it takes to acquire all three

We absolutely have the assets to make trades like that but mostly everyone here is too scared to make a move that might actually help. I hate how the team has been playing but we are in first place with mediocre at best goaltending, a big fat zero from Mika 5v5 and Brodzinski playing 3C. Miss me with the rhetoric that we are deeply flawed. Every team is to their own fans.
 
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I have yet to hear a convincing case as to why we should trade Miller when his value has likely dipped from what it was last year.

There are instances where I think sell low makes sense, this isn't one of them.

I'm on board with moving Lindgren, on board with trying to move Trouba. I think that's more than enough of a shakeup.
It’s all wild overreactions to a rollercoaster first half of the season for K’Andre. He’s still absurdly talented and is the type of player you regret trading and try replacing forever once he’s gone. He’s made bad reads and overcommitted on the puck a lot this year, but a lot of his bad stats against are also because Igor hasn’t been able to make a save all season.
 
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We absolutely have the assets to make trades like that but mostly everyone here is too scared to make a move that might actually help. I hate how the team has been playing but we are in first place with mediocre at best goaltending, a big fat zero from Mika 5v5 and Brodzinski playing 3C. Miss me with the rhetoric that we are deeply flawed. Every team is to their own fans.

So, you're OK trading Othmann, Perreault and 1st round picks in 24 and 25?

Because to address the issues we have, its gonna take that ++
 
So, you're OK trading Othmann, Perreault and 1st round picks in 24 and 25?

Because to address the issues we have, its gonna take that ++

I dont care about first rounders. Rangers are spotty with them and they can always add more picks in the summer. Im not trading Perreault for anyone realistic, and id need my socks blown off to move Othmann (not for a rental, because that always needs to be clarified). Drury should be looking to make hockey moves for roster players. Dont be afraid to trade guys off the NHL roster for upgrades. Everyone said Tampa was a soft team that would never win after Columbus swept them, then they added some smart non-rental pieces to their bottom and it made the whole roster fall into place. Colorado was in a similar situation a few years ago and then they added Lehkonen and Manson (extended both). They hardly broke the bank. Same with Vegas last year, Barbashev (extended) made their entire lineup work. We are at that point in our trajectory. Those moves are out there to be made. I hate that saying this is always construed as "Oh you want to sell the farm???"
 
This team is less flawed than the teams of the previous two years.

This was true when they were healthy. Not so sure about that now.

Though if Igor can be Igor again it would be a bigger lift than anything they can do at the deadline. I think they've been less than stellar over the last month, but it was really amplified by how bad Igor was.
 
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I'm a bit confused why a "flawed team" means the organization should just give up and not try. They are in first place. You can fix and improve the flaws. The options are not be the best team in the league or tear it all down and rebuild. Most rebuilds are extremely unsuccessful and even the ones that "worked" often are 10+ years before they actually win something. This isn't basketball. Flawed teams and underdogs win all the time.
 
This was true when they were healthy. Not so sure about that now.

Though if Igor can be Igor again it would be a bigger lift than anything they can do at the deadline. I think they've been less than stellar over the last month, but it was really amplified by how bad Igor was.
I still think they are in a better position heading into the deadline than they were, even with Chytil injured. I don't believe Igor is going to continue being one of the worst goalies in the league. I don't think they are an elite team but as far as where they are compared to the last two years they are better.
 
I dont care about first rounders. Rangers are spotty with them and they can always add more picks in the summer. Im not trading Perreault for anyone realistic, and id need my socks blown off to move Othmann (not for a rental, because that always needs to be clarified). Drury should be looking to make hockey moves for roster players. Dont be afraid to trade guys off the NHL roster for upgrades. Everyone said Tampa was a soft team that would never win after Columbus swept them, then they added some smart non-rental pieces to their bottom and it made the whole roster fall into place. Colorado was in a similar situation a few years ago and then they added Lehkonen and Manson (extended both). They hardly broke the bank. Same with Vegas last year, Barbashev (extended) made their entire lineup work. We are at that point in our trajectory. Those moves are out there to be made. I hate that saying this is always construed as "Oh you want to sell the farm???"

This. And this is the reason I'd look to move Berard.

Panarin is not going anywhere. Kreider still has several good years left, and isn't the guy we should move to clear cap. Laf isn't going anywhere. Kakko likely isn't going anywhere. Cuylle has the third line locked down, and Othmann needs a spot soon. Sykora (LW) is one of our top prospects too.

That limits Berard to 4th line at best, or we're moving someone above. Berard is still young enough, and has the skills to have a shot at somebody's Top 6 IF they get him young enough to prepare him for that kind of role. If we can use that to fill holes we have right now, this year - like immediate top 6, 3C, or upgrading the D, that's a small price to pay, and it will fetch a lot more than if we throw him in a package when he's 23-24, or lose him to the waiver wire.

If we need a bottom 6 winger in the future, there are plenty of young players coming up who could slot into that role temporarily whose timeline aligns better with when the team will be moving on from guys like Panarin and Kreider (guys like Sykora), and there are plenty of serviceable young players coming through the system that may fit in those kinds of roles (guys like Rempe and Edstrom).

Ottawa is a natural trading partner because they're drowning in young centers and people who can play center, and would likely consider a package that includes Chychrun for Miller as an upgrade considering Chychrun is unlikely to re-sign but is still team controlled for another year and decidedly not a rental (unlike Hanifin). Tarasenko gives you someone who solves the Wheeler problem this year who enjoyed his time here and won't mope or get distracted by the NY lifestyle, who also thinks shoot first and would immediately become the only player on the team other than Zibanejad (who refuses to shoot) who can beat a goalie clean from the circle without needing a screen, deflection, cross-ice pass, rebound, etc.

It also allows them to have two scoring focused lines (Kreider-Greig-Taras would be 2nd line), drop Zibanejad to 3C at even strength, and turn Cuylle-Zibs-Kakko into a shutdown line.

And Chychrun is an immediate upgrade over Miller who's also still quite young (less than 2 years older than Miller).

The tradeoff for Ottawa is they need to take Goodrow with no retention to get the other two (and maybe a pick), but they're looking for veteran leadership anyway.
 
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I think something like upgrading on Lindgren, whether that be a Chychrun/Hanifin plus a 3c would make this team fairly formidable in a playoff series assuming Igor is playing at something close to what he was last season nevermind his vezina season. How likely the Rangers are to follow through on a Lindgren upgrade is the big issue.
 
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I think something like upgrading on Lindgren, whether that be a Chychrun/Hanifin plus a 3c would make this team fairly formidable in a playoff series assuming Igor is playing at something close to what he was last season nevermind his vezina season. How likely the Rangers are to follow through on a Lindgren upgrade is the big issue.

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Drury's previous teams had spots that needed to be upgraded. But no previous team had a crater like this one has at 3C which is due to a key guy being out for the season. The good news is that he has that cap money to work with. Hope he can be creative and add some pieces.
 
This team is less flawed than the teams of the previous two years.
Two years ago: Added two middle 6 forwards, a 4th liner, and a 3rd pairing defender
Last year: Added two top 6 forwards, a 4th liner, and a 3rd pairing defender
This year: ?

The good news is that Lafreniere took a step and is now a top 6 forward, so you don't need as much, but you lost Chytil.

The question Drury will need to answer is if he is comfortable going into the postseason with Wheeler in the top 9. If he is, then he only needs a 3C and maybe a depth forward.

If he wants to make the splash, Lindgren is the guy moving out. He was moved down the lineup before getting hurt. There will be a team that values him.

This could be a Vatrano situation where we move out Lindgren in a deal to get assets to make another move like Florida did with Vatrano, the only difference is that we are not pushed to the cap at the moment due to Chytil's money being able to be used.
 
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