Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[McRanger92]

Great they can have Trouba

He's a righty and has a no trade clause but your input is noted.

 

[bhamill]

This team needs a 3C with offense to his game. Gourde is overexposed as a 1C. He is, however, an excellent 3C. They should try for him. Sturm would be nice as a 4C. But, let's be real, they're going to add a 3C like Henrique at 50% and a guy like Sprong if Detroit sells and that's it.


I agree. People wanted to dump Fast so quickly and then years later clamoring for him to return. Hell, Gorton couldn't even find $2M per to keep him. Kakko had 40 points last year. I'm keeping him at $3M.

And his QO is only 2.4m.

 

[Fitzy]

If the plan is to build the roster around 3 good centers, then we will likely have to sacrifice a highly paid player at another position.

That or move Mika to RW, which is something I'm super curious about. Could the reduction in defensive responsibilities be just the thing he needs to be a 40 goal scorer again?

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[McRanger92]

If the plan is to build the roster around 3 good centers, then we will likely have to sacrifice a highly paid player at another position.

That or move Mika to RW, which is something I'm super curious about. Could the reduction in defensive responsibilities be just the thing he needs to be a 40 goal scorer again?

I dont mind moving him off C as he ages but the defensive responsibilities arent the reason he would rather pass the puck into the net than shoot it. He needs to go to the Panarin school of shaving his head and getting serious about scoring outside the man advantage.

 

[Machinehead]

Defense isn't the problem with Mika. He's not great at it but he's not bad. Defense from star centers is overrated league-wide. He's fine.

His problem is that he isn't good at offense 5v5 and I don't think the things he's bad at are easier at wing.

 

[hardnosed]

Worth noting Calgary has 0 left defenseman under contract for next season.

Then they will be kicking the can down the road if they trade for Lindgren because the chances of him staying past July 2025 are remote.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I like Sturm. Big, good at face offs, and can produce better than our bottom sizers at least .

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Then they will be kicking the can down the road if they trade for Lindgren because the chances of him staying past July 2025 are remote.

They may not care, especially if they’re looking to tear it down.

 

[NYR Viper]

A Kakko for Hayton deal makes a lot of sense right now…

 

[McRanger92]

A Kakko for Hayton deal makes a lot of sense right now…

Rather try to make it work with our disappointment than take on someone else's tbh

 

[hardnosed]

They may not care, especially if they’re looking to tear it down.

They could deal him at next year's deadline to a contender. Might net them a 3rd rounder for the rental. I know they said they wanted an NHL ready player for their currents rentals, which makes me think they don't want a complete tear down. But getting a guy with only a year left really doesn't make sense. If we don't have what they want, they probably go to someone who does. Have to believe they can do better than Lindgren for their guys even if they are rentals.

 

[Ruggs225]

Miller for lundell and a 2nd

Then trade our first and a guy like berard or sykora to get another youngish ld that can play on 2nd pair.

If you get lundell then one of the promising your forwards can become available.

Cuylle-lundell-kakko - that might become pur second best line after the panarin line. Would be a beast defensively and has alot of potential to score.

Again im not high on miller, but others really might be.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Rather try to make it work with our disappointment than take on someone else's tbh

Hayton is a center , a shooter, and had good chemistry with Lafreniere for team Canada.

I'd do it 10/10

 

[bl02]

Hayton is a center , a shooter, and had good chemistry with Lafreniere for team Canada.

I'd do it 10/10

along with Hayton can we get back one of our 75 second round picks back Arizona nabbed from us?

 

[n8]

Not one of those teams would make those trades

Yeah, you don't see me going to the trade board with these. We've seen a few trades in the past year where to return has been terribly disappointing to terribly insane (PLD insane the second the ink dried IMO, no hindsight bias, Jeannot wtf). Call them starting proposals biasing to terribly disappointing for the other team. You know CAL fans are gonna ask for two 1st, Othmann, and Perrault for Lindholm.

 

[n8]

Sturm is a guy I like if they can make it work

I've been advocating for Sturm for 2 TDLs. He's an ideal 4C. I think he's not quite there for a 3C. Great at faceoffs and the PK. Provides 4th line level offense.

 

[bernmeister]

Two years ago: Added two middle 6 forwards, a 4th liner, and a 3rd pairing defender
Last year: Added two top 6 forwards, a 4th liner, and a 3rd pairing defender
This year: ?

The good news is that Lafreniere took a step and is now a top 6 forward, so you don't need as much, but you lost Chytil.

The question Drury will need to answer is if he is comfortable going into the postseason with Wheeler in the top 9. If he is, then he only needs a 3C and maybe a depth forward.

If he wants to make the splash, Lindgren is the guy moving out. He was moved down the lineup before getting hurt. There will be a team that values him.

This could be a Vatrano situation where we move out Lindgren in a deal to get assets to make another move like Florida did with Vatrano, the only difference is that we are not pushed to the cap at the moment due to Chytil's money being able to be used.

bold: for the love of God, when are the win now among you gonna effin learn?
Yeah, you added...
BUT IT WAS NOT FREE
rentals cost --- way too much, usually

It's pretty clear cut with Miller. If you think this season is an aberration and that he will get better going forward, then you hold. But if you think this is it and that he will never grasp how to play defense, then you consider trading him. Because, while his value may be lower than it was last year, it could get even lower if he doesn't stop making so many stupid mistakes.

Not entirely wrong, conceptually, but I would not jump that fast with him.
We already see the physical gifts.
The ? is, if he is in a better system and/or w/better partner, does THAT make a dif? I would say yes
No on moving KAM

I believe Hanifin is the Rangers guy on LD. Lindgren plus other things makes too much sense. Him getting hurt right before break is comically Rongos. Maybe Calgary asked for Miller, but I bet they said no its Lindgren. He is the one whose contract is up, but is an RFA, which helps Calgary keep him around.

Moving Goodrow is not realistic. Sending him to San Jose for Sturm would be the best thing to happen to us, but they are likely on his no move list. Also, team is not likely to ask him to waive. Hey Goody, want to go from first in the Metro to last in the Pacific? Not likely. But I love Sturm and swapping them would make our 4th line really good.

Hayes is a good fit on that 3rd line. That line would be big and tough to beat in matchups every night. Hayes is a good 5v5 player and good defensively.

This team would be hard to beat in 7 games. If Im Drury, I try to make it happen:

Panarin-Trocheck-Laf
Kreider-Z-Wheeler
Cuylle-Hayes-Kakko
Vesey-Sturm-Pitlick

Hanifin-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Gus-Schneider

Disagree on Hani b'c cost and how is his D?
Good, the answer is OBV
ANA
Zegras out w/broken ankle
Ducks can't use him 2-ish months
Othmann + BMB + Berard + Pajuneiemi + Good reduced 1.6x to 2.0
for
Zegras + Helleson + J Perreault

100% agree, firstly I'd love to see Miller away from Trouba. Yes he had a bad mistake in the Ott game but after that he was much better. The only way I would move Miller is if you're getting a guy like Faber or someone similar that plays the left side. The other team wouldn't do it but it would have to be for an ELC guy that's playing well with a huge upside. The right move in Lindgren, but either way I would be surprised if NYR make any big moves with its D core during the season. Lindgren & Miller both seemed to be big parts of the locker room and I think a move of either one (even if they get a better player) could end up making the team worse for this season.

Am loathe to move him for Sanderson, only b'c idea is add if/where possible.
KAM is a keeper for now.

A Kakko for Hayton deal makes a lot of sense right now…

NO

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They could deal him at next year's deadline to a contender. Might net them a 3rd rounder for the rental. I know they said they wanted an NHL ready player for their currents rentals, which makes me think they don't want a complete tear down. But getting a guy with only a year left really doesn't make sense. If we don't have what they want, they probably go to someone who does. Have to believe they can do better than Lindgren for their guys even if they are rentals.

Lol he’d go for more than a 3rd as a rental unless he completely falls apart.


Personally I’d like to build something around Middleton (aka the actual version of what some people think Lindgren is) for Lindgren. Takes the “he won’t sign there” thing out of the equation as he’d be going home. Money is almost equal too.

 

[bernmeister]

Miller for lundell and a 2nd

Then trade our first and a guy like berard or sykora to get another youngish ld that can play on 2nd pair.

If you get lundell then one of the promising your forwards can become available.

Cuylle-lundell-kakko - that might become pur second best line after the panarin line. Would be a beast defensively and has alot of potential to score.

Again im not high on miller, but others really might be.

NO
get Pinto from Sens
play Edstrom at pivot w/K + Z until Zegras is available

 

[hardnosed]

Lol he’d go for more than a 3rd as a rental unless he completely falls apart.


Personally I’d like to build something around Middleton (aka the actual version of what some people think Lindgren is) for Lindgren. Takes the “he won’t sign there” thing out of the equation as he’d be going home. Money is almost equal too.

You haven't said one good thing about Lindgren all season. Why do you think someone would pay more than a 3rd for a few months of him at next year's deadline?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You haven't said one good thing about Lindgren all season. Why do you think someone would pay more than a 3rd for a few months of him at next year's deadline?

Because blood and guts defensemen, especially North American blood and guts defensemen, are overvalued in this league. Ben Chiarot got a 1st a few years ago and he sucks. David Savard got a 1st and he wasn’t very good either.

Do I think he’s worth a 1st? No I don’t but fortunately for us there are a ton of people who would disagree.

It’s the same reason why the Rangers would do pretty well in a Trouba trade if they choose to move him despite what he actually is.

FWIW I wish he were good enough so we didn’t need to do anything but he isn’t so here we are.

 

[hardnosed]

Because blood and guts defensemen, especially North American blood and guts defensemen, are overvalued in this league. Ben Chiarot got a 1st a few years ago and he sucks. David Savard got a 1st and he wasn’t very good either.

Do I think he’s worth a 1st? No I don’t but fortunately for us there are a ton of people who would disagree.

It’s the same reason why the Rangers would do pretty well in a Trouba trade if they choose to move him despite what he actually is.

FWIW I wish he were good enough so we didn’t need to do anything but he isn’t so here we are.

Fair enough. Imagine this, for some reason Calgary trades for him now. We get Hanifan. They realize he isn't re signing so they shop him next March. I wouldn't put it past Drury to get him back for the playoffs. Let's say we give a 2nd. Not even a 1st that those other guys got. But a 2nd. The anti Lindgren group here would lose their minds.

 

[Fitzy]

Defense isn't the problem with Mika. He's not great at it but he's not bad. Defense from star centers is overrated league-wide. He's fine.

His problem is that he isn't good at offense 5v5 and I don't think the things he's bad at are easier at wing.

Zone entries? Mika is awful at getting the puck over the opposing blue line with possession, it's one of his biggest flaws

 

[Mac n Gs]

The answer is, was, and always will be, Phil Tomasino.