Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[DanielBrassard]

I expect that they will attempt to fix the hole Chytil has left but it’s at the point, I don’t want to expend any more futures for this core group of players. It’s not worth it.

 

[duhmetreE]

Laffy at Center?

Kreider Trocheck Kakko
Panarin Laffy Cuylle
Vesey Zibs Wheeler

 

[NickyFotiu]

I think the team needs to unload Shesterkin and make a Gaborik-trade like move where you move out a member of the core to shore up the depth.

Im fine with a big move but a big move to obtain a legit top forward. Depth players are a dime a dozen. Its the top tier guys that are hard to obtain. We don't want to waste our gunpowder on depth. Our weakness is in our top 6 and top 4 imo.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

Miller & Ridley for Bobby Carpenter...followed up by Carpenter for Dionne.

I consider that one trade...we ultimately traded away two 22 year olds for the ghost of Marcel Dionne. Those guys went on to be effective NHLers for a decade while Dionne was done in less than 18 months here.

it's true. But I believe the criteria was last 30 years.

70s 80s had some winners for sure.

Trading Buch was so f'ing stupid.

 

[Avery16]

it's true. But I believe the criteria was last 30 years.

70s 80s had some winners for sure.

Trading Buch was so f'ing stupid.

Plus that report that Drury didn’t value Buch as a player. Wth does that say about Drury’s judgment, generally?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The narrative on Buch would be so different if he had stayed.

He’s another guy who goes ghost mode when it matters. They didn’t get back enough for him but moving on was the right call.

 

[Flan the incredible]

I am not a goalie coach but Shesty does this thing where he stands straight up on breakaway goals almost to get ready for the shot. You see it much better on shootouts. If you watch the Kolesar goal he shoots it at that exact moment and thus Shesty misses bad on a shot he should of had. How has this not been caught and how have other teams not figured that out.....or have they?

 

[Avery16]

Zib was creating high quality chances in the last two minutes of play. It looked like he might have got it done a couple times. Can’t wait until the last two minutes to play like that.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

Plus that report that Drury didn’t value Buch as a player. Wth does that say about Drury’s judgment, generally?

Exactly. Here's a guy we brought up, that is not super expensive, and he has to go so we have room for Goodrow & company.

 

[AirGut]

people want to move Shesterkin, who's taking over? Garand would have to be a true #1 and are we confident he's ready for that yet? I like Garand but he might take some time. Or are we signing a plug tender from this UFA list this summer and waiting patiently for Garand to inch his way towards becoming a #1?

Russian goalies are notoriously hot & cold. He might never be what he was during the 21-22 season but I think he will figure things out and if anything, this drops his value a bit so we don't have to end up paying him 10M. I'm fine hitching our horses to Shesty at 8M or maybe a little under 8, even if it is for another 8 years. Look at the teams in this league that have struggled for YEARS to find any sort of goaltender they can call their #1, I don't think we want to end up like that. Moving Shesty should be reserved as a desperate last resort type of move.

 

[Ruggs225]

You dont need a superstar #1 to win. All u need is a competent 1a and 1b. Thats how the league is moving to.

I would curse the heavens if we give any goalie an 8m contract let alone shesterkin.

 

[AirGut]

You dont need a superstar #1 to win. All u need is a competent 1a and 1b. Thats how the league is moving to.

I would curse the heavens if we give any goalie an 8m contract let alone shesterkin.

yes but you never know how long it could take to find that competent 1A. I know we have the goalie whisperer with Allaire but I'd rather not downgrade our net and take that risk. Granted, if people truly want to blow it up I suppose they don't care about waiting anymore and are willing to be patient even if it takes the rest of this decade to find that guy.

 

[Ruggs225]

yes but you never know how long it could take to find that competent 1A. I know we have the goalie whisperer with Allaire but I'd rather not downgrade our net and take that risk. Granted, if people truly want to blow it up I suppose they don't care about waiting anymore and are willing to be patient even if it takes the rest of this decade to find that guy.

Literally cant downgrade right now. Shesterkin has the worst save % in the entire NHL the month of January.

Spicy pork would be an upgrade.

No way in hell would i give him an extension unless it is in the $4m range.

 

[AirGut]

Literally cant downgrade right now. Shesterkin has the worst save % in the entire NHL the month of January.

Spicy pork would be an upgrade.

No way in hell would i give him an extension unless it is in the $4m range.

I can't disagree, but Shesty has proven himself once before and you can't just toss him away and throw in a wildcard with the hope he'll be better than Shesty could be. Yes Igor has to be better but I don't think messing with what we have in net is going to help this team.
Drury needs to try and repair our defensive and bottom-6 woes right now before doing anything that would be deemed drastic.

With the Lindgren situation not looking good, I'd stuff him on LTIR, that would net us over 7M at the deadline. I'd trade for Lindholm and Hanifin in a package with retention and also add someone like Dowd or another depth blueliner. See how the rest of the season goes and playoffs (if we can make it) and then wait until the summer to do a bigger shakeup trade if needed.

 

[NYR Viper]

I’d sign Drieger and Kahkonen as a tandem and just play both…

 

[Whoot Whoot]

It’s interesting Igor isn’t the only goalie struggling this year

 

[Ruggs225]

I can't disagree, but Shesty has proven himself once before and you can't just toss him away and throw in a wildcard with the hope he'll be better than Shesty could be. Yes Igor has to be better but I don't think messing with what we have in net is going to help this team.
Drury needs to try and repair our defensive and bottom-6 woes right now before doing anything that would be deemed drastic.

With the Lindgren situation not looking good, I'd stuff him on LTIR, that would net us over 7M at the deadline. I'd trade for Lindholm and Hanifin in a package with retention and also add someone like Dowd or another depth blueliner. See how the rest of the season goes and playoffs (if we can make it) and then wait until the summer to do a bigger shakeup trade if needed

Shesty has a record of being better. But that said, no way i would go long term with him unless it was a very favorable cap hit. He has been inconsistant at beat the last two years and horrific at worst lately.

Thats not something you gove term too.

If he walks he walks. And i wouldnt be upset. Goaltending is fickle and not worth big money contracts.

Lundqvists contract size was a big reason why we didnt win a cup. Too much much on a goalie. If his hit was $6m or $5m we could have gotten better depth.

I hope we never make that mistake again.

 

[Fitzy]

Shesty has a record of being better. But that said, no way i would go long term with him unless it was a very favorable cap hit. He has been inconsistant at beat the last two years and horrific at worst lately.

Thats not something you gove term too.

If he walks he walks. And i wouldnt be upset. Goaltending is fickle and not worth big money contracts.

Lundqvists contract size was a big reason why we didnt win a cup. Too much much on a goalie. If his hit was $6m or $5m we could have gotten better depth.

I hope we never make that mistake again.

Oh come on. Given what NYR spent on players during that stretch you think an extra 4-5 mil gives us a better shot at the cup than a first ballot hall of fame goaltender?

If we keep Carl Hagelin but have Anti Raanta in net we win a cup? I highly doubt it.

The anti goalie propaganda has reached its zenith

 

[NYR Viper]

Oh come on. Given what NYR spent on players during that stretch you think an extra 4-5 mil gives us a better shot at the cup than a first ballot hall of fame goaltender?

If we keep Carl Hagelin but have Anti Raanta in net we win a cup? I highly doubt it.

The anti goalie propaganda has reached its zenith

In fairness I think there are about 40 starting class goalies Every year. Obviously that’s more than 1 per team as some have 2. I’m not sure a .910 at $3.5m is that big of a detriment compared to .918 at $8m.

 

[Ruggs225]

Oh come on. Given what NYR spent on players during that stretch you think an extra 4-5 mil gives us a better shot at the cup than a first ballot hall of fame goaltender?

If we keep Carl Hagelin but have Anti Raanta in net we win a cup? I highly doubt it.

The anti goalie propaganda has reached its zenith

I never said that. I said if Lundqvists contract were better we would have won.

He was overpaid.

Any goalie getting over $6m is overpaid in my book

 

[CLW]

I am not a goalie coach but Shesty does this thing where he stands straight up on breakaway goals almost to get ready for the shot. You see it much better on shootouts. If you watch the Kolesar goal he shoots it at that exact moment and thus Shesty misses bad on a shot he should of had. How has this not been caught and how have other teams not figured that out.....or have they?

Kolesar was crafty. Most players wait until they get closer (too close) before they shoot, the goalies don't expect the shot to come so early so they are getting ready for the shot to come later. Kolesar wrongfooted Shesty and made him look stupid.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Oh come on. Given what NYR spent on players during that stretch you think an extra 4-5 mil gives us a better shot at the cup than a first ballot hall of fame goaltender?

If we keep Carl Hagelin but have Anti Raanta in net we win a cup? I highly doubt it.

The anti goalie propaganda has reached its zenith

The biggest reason was spending over 11M on two heavily declining defenseman while letting superior defenseman walk. But I wouldn’t advise paying big money to goalies either way.

 

[Daves a mess]

Please, just blow it up. I would rather the POSSIBILITY of a future year after year than the guarantee of wasting our time if we "buy" at the deadline.

The odds of being the next Sabres is VERY unlikely. Roll the dice, maybe it might even be FUN to watch along the way.

No team in the history of the NHL has " blown up" a first place roster going into the All Star break. And way less so with a salary cap But...

When did the Rangers make their moves in 94?

 

[Bruner4329]

Kreider is not part of the solution. At all. Never has been.

He is part of the problem. He floats half the games.

If there is anything consistent with this board it is the constant criticism of the same people over and over with no objectivity or fairness. Saying he is part of the problem is lame especially considering his production the last 2 years and through the first third of this season. Meanwhile the problem, and real problem comes down to 3 players. First 2 are KK and Laf. Back to Back top of the draft players that have not produced at the level expected.. and not even close. The third is FC. Yes he is hurt but the guy has been around for 6 years now and never reached any consistency and yet people kept expecting big things from him. Never materialized and may never unfortunately. That is 3 top picks that at this point should be considered failures. And I am not even bringing up the wasted top pick of LA the same year we chose FC.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Hanifan is the type of guy who I would open the check book for. The team has no one in the pipeline and he’s a legit too-4, borderline top-pairing 27 year old.

I could find use for Kostin and Holl and they amount to about $5m in cap. One year left each.

Drury needs to find a way to add some guys who play with energy and passion in the top 9 with little cap space. Perron was just an example

I’d trade Igor but I was always in the camp. Anything over $6m for a goalie is overkill

Not trying to rain on the parade.
Caps going up 4.2 million next season.
If Chytil is not available the Rangers only starters are 7 forwards, 3 defensemen (4 if you count Jones, I don’t)and 1 goalie.
Roughly 14.2 million to be available to sign/resign 11 players to get to a 22 man roster.
Tough job for Drury, tough luck for us.