Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

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Hanafin is going to cost too much. $7 million plus/year. They need to be smart since they'll have about that amount to fill 2 or 3 defensive vacancies. They can't blow it all on one player. Another 7 year contract is the last thing this team needs. Hanafin is not the player to move heaven and earth to accommodate.

Pass on Perron. The Rangers are overloaded on the wing as is and the player is cooked at that. Wouldn't mind Kostin or Holl.

Hanifan is the type of guy who I would open the check book for. The team has no one in the pipeline and he’s a legit too-4, borderline top-pairing 27 year old.

I could find use for Kostin and Holl and they amount to about $5m in cap. One year left each.

Drury needs to find a way to add some guys who play with energy and passion in the top 9 with little cap space. Perron was just an example

I’d trade Igor but I was always in the camp. Anything over $6m for a goalie is overkill
 
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overall, my track record demonstrates
if they did what I suggested, while it might not immediately = instant gratification, long view we would be better off

Or they would super suck
Never change sir it’s good to have different views
My view is go for the cup but don’t overpay
 
I think Drury's big shake up should start with Igor. Could probably get a nice player and a pick.

Can also be a shot in the arm for the team. I say that cause Igor doesn't just look like he isn't playing well. His body language looks like he doesn't want to play at all.

Yeah but why the hell is that the case? Igor isn't the only one who looks like a one man island out there. Everyone is playing for themselves only. The "team work" is not truly team work. Something is very wrong in the org starting from management, through the coaching down to the players. I don't think the players hate each others guts, but something, which from the outside is hard to pinpoint, is not ok and hasn't been for a long time. The players have retreated into their individual shells because they are stressed.
 
Yeah but why the hell is that the case? Igor isn't the only one who looks like a one man island out there. Everyone is playing for themselves only. The "team work" is not truly team work. Something is very wrong in the org starting from management, through the coaching down to the players. I don't think the players hate each others guts, but something, which from the outside is hard to pinpoint, is not ok and hasn't been for a long time. The players have retreated into their individual shells because they are stressed.
Because for too long the Rangers have never made any actual trades, ever. The players just collect their checks and move on. Say what you will about Sather, at least he made moves and didn't let the inmates run the asylum.

We have become boring and predictable. Sign vets in the off-season. 1 trade. Rentals at the deadline. Don't hurt anyone's feelings.

Trade Igor. Get someone crazy like Kadri.

Let them know we aren't in the business of just playing hockey, we are in the business of winning the cup.

The only thing wrong with the Org is the "classy" garbage air around it. Too much class. Be more like Vegas. Boston. Stop worrying about what people say about you.

Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that ex-rangers score on us more than any team. Despite the "top-notch" treatment, they know a team not focused on winning when they see it.
 
Because for too long the Rangers have never made any actual trades, ever. The players just collect their checks and move on. Say what you will about Sather, at least he made moves and didn't let the inmates run the asylum.

We have become boring and predictable. Sign vets in the off-season. 1 trade. Rentals at the deadline. Don't hurt anyone's feelings.

Trade Igor. Get someone crazy like Kadri.

Let them know we aren't in the business of just playing hockey, we are in the business of winning the cup.

The only thing wrong with the Org is the "classy" garbage air around it. Too much class. Be more like Vegas. Boston. Stop worrying about what people say about you.

Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that ex-rangers score on us more than any team. Despite the "top-notch" treatment, they know a team not focused on winning when they see it.

The covid cap situations kind of killed the trade market, but outside that I think the deeper problem is the corporate approach the org has. The bottom line is this team has to make the playoffs year in year out. It cannot suck because the suits hate losing teams. The org also cannot build a winner because building a winner hurts and the pain threshold for this org is absolutely minimal.

Once the players acclimatize to the idea they are corporate tools lifting a paycheck it's "game over" and we get exactly the locker room we see today. To compensate, the org pushes a "blue collar" identity, which is as fake as silicon tits.
 
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The covid cap situations kind of killed the trade market, but outside that I think the deeper problem is the corporate approach the org has. The bottom line is this team has to make the playoffs year in year out. It cannot suck because the suits hate losing teams. The org also cannot build a winner because building a winner hurts and the pain threshold for this org is absolutely minimal.

Once the players acclimatize to the idea they are corporate tools lifting a paycheck it's "game over" and we get exactly the locker room we see today. To compensate, the org pushes a "blue collar" identity, which is as fake as silicon tits.
There are trades of you want to make trades. The "Covid Cap" has not stopped Vegas, New Jersey, NYI, Boston, Tampa, Colorado, Florida and Toronto from making moves when they want/see them. That's an excuse for crippling passivity in roster management.

I don't agree with everything in this article (mostly trading for rentals, the worst roster decision ever), but Brooks touched on the problem in this article. I didn't even see this until after I posted. I don't like agreeing with Larry. I might change my stance. Haha

 
What do the Rangers do with Igor? What type of injury did Igor have a few months ago? He looks awful. The Rangers aren’t doing anything if Igor looks like this. Drury could add Messier circa 1987 but if the goalie can't stop the puck, the Rangers are not winning. Igor's contract is up after next season.

Does Drury trade Igor? He better be careful paying him.

A team doesn't need the clear #1 goalie in the NHL to win.

These are big decisions. Drury is all by himself. The Rangers don't have a president of hockey operations and a GM. This job is too big for one guy.

The status quo isn't working. This core group has been together for a while. This group isn't winning with a few rental adds. The problems run much deeper.

If the Bruins ever moved on from Swayman, he would be a good addition. Bostom made some nice trades over the years. Ryan Donato to Minnesota for Charlie Coyle. I remember Coyle was a top prospect after leaving BU for the Q. He never became a top player in Minnesota after the trade from SJ in the Burns deal. Coyle has emerged at the age of 31 after the retirements by Bergeron and Krejci.

Huala to the Devils for Zacha. Another good trade. Zacha isn't the player he was projected to be but he is a good NHL player. He was better last season for Boston than this season.

Frederic has taken big step up for the Bruins. He has improved so much in the last couple of seasons. Plays hard. Competes. Added goal scoring.
Igor’s got a few issues that I see in his game right now. Primarily, his lateral mobility is noticeably bad right now, and if you watch him, he’s not pushing off on his edges at all like he used to. He’s also not setting himself up properly with the width in his stance; Valiquette had a nice breakdown on how that impacted his game last year (?), and correcting it got him back on track. The last thing is him not playing between his posts, which is Allaire’s mantra for goalies. He’s been scrambling a bunch and has been caught out of position too easily.

It’s all been so uncharacteristic for him, and he’s playing himself out of earning another contract here. Rangers can’t commit to the same problems as they did with Hank by having a goalie make too much where it’s hindering building the team around him. If Igor were playing like Hellebuyck it would be a different story, but he’s legitimately been a bottom-3 goalie over this last stretch and can’t play himself out of it
 
Want to watch a team that plays hard? Watch the Flyers today. They are young and kind of raw, but they play with intensity and heart. Much more team oriented entertainment for ME, than this group of polyana cupcakes.



The " Ranger stretch pass model" has been destroyed.

Laf loves the stretch pass now, playing with Bread. He may have no choice.

Mika? Kreids? That's ALL they do. Emo face and careless whispers in the lockeroom boys.

Quick is a champion. Watch and listen to a winners approach.
 
Want to watch a team that plays hard? Watch the Flyers today. They are young and kind of raw, but they play with intensity and heart. Much more team oriented entertainment for ME, than this group of polyana cupcakes.



The " Ranger stretch pass model" has been destroyed.

Laf loves the stretch pass now, playing with Bread. He may have no choice.

Mika? Kreids? That's ALL they do. Emo face and careless whispers in the lockeroom boys.

Quick is a champion. Watch and listen to a winners approach.
EMO faces and careless whispers? LMAO This is the best hockey analysis I’ve seen all year and says more than any fancy stat.
 
Because for too long the Rangers have never made any actual trades, ever. The players just collect their checks and move on. Say what you will about Sather, at least he made moves and didn't let the inmates run the asylum.

We have become boring and predictable. Sign vets in the off-season. 1 trade. Rentals at the deadline. Don't hurt anyone's feelings.

Trade Igor. Get someone crazy like Kadri.

Let them know we aren't in the business of just playing hockey, we are in the business of winning the cup.

The only thing wrong with the Org is the "classy" garbage air around it. Too much class. Be more like Vegas. Boston. Stop worrying about what people say about you.

Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that ex-rangers score on us more than any team. Despite the "top-notch" treatment, they know a team not focused on winning when they see it.

It kills me to say this, but the "classy" stuff is just nonsense.
Coming from a franchise that has won on Cup in the last 84 years, it's BS.

It's like someone from the Rangers looked at what the Yankees used to do under George (since they clearly are not doing this anymore under Hal), and said "we should use that kind of marketing to free agents too!"
Then decided the best way to back that up was to spend lots of money on player amenities and off-ice niceties, while still not fielding a winning product.

They only need to show loyalty to their own players who prove themselves as winners - guys like Messier, Leetch, who got them there. Ironically, those were the guys they didn't show loyalty to. Kreider is a tier below that, and he's the guy people are talkin about moving when IMO he's part of the solution, not the problem. They don't owe Goodrow anything. He didn't win us a single Cup. I don't care if he's liked in the room, he sucks, but if any org owes him loyalty it's Tampa, not us. And I'm getting really tired of acting like Zibanejad, who has played like steaming garbage this entire season except for a two week stretch in November, deserves to continue to be run out there 20 minutes a night and hop over the boards every time an opponent skates to the box when or dictate that him and Kreider play together.

Goodrow's contract (and the intention to sign him) is a big part of the reason Drury felt that Buchnevich had to be moved. Goodrow's contract is the single reason bringing back Tarasenko (an infinitely better player for what ended up being a little over a million more) - who wanted to stay and who scores goals including in the playoffs - wasn't really an option last offseason. Loyalty to Igor is killing this team, when they've never won anything with him, but yet they let Lundqvist walk at the end to keep both Igor and Georgiev instead of trading one of them (Georgiev) to help fix the problems up front or on D.

This is the franchise that traded Ratelle, traded Leetch, traded Park and Bathgate, moved on from Hadfield, let Graves play out the string on the San Jose Sharks, and clung to guys like Goodrow, Steve Eminger, Dan Girardi, Tanner Glass, and Marc Staal like they were/are multi-Cup winning Rangers when it was so obvious that those players had outlived any usefulness at the NHL level, and kicked Jim Ramsey to the curb like nothing after decades in his role. They kicked Gaborik, one of the few free agent signings that lived up to the money, to the curb half a season after a 40-goal campaign and offseason shoulder surgery and watched him destroy us in the 2014 Final, but held onto the ghost of Rick Nash for multiple seasons when it was obvious the guy was reduced to the rubble of a third line grinder even after he choked in multiple playoff years.

This "class" thing is a bunch of BS and always has been.
 
Igor’s got a few issues that I see in his game right now. Primarily, his lateral mobility is noticeably bad right now, and if you watch him, he’s not pushing off on his edges at all like he used to. He’s also not setting himself up properly with the width in his stance; Valiquette had a nice breakdown on how that impacted his game last year (?), and correcting it got him back on track. The last thing is him not playing between his posts, which is Allaire’s mantra for goalies. He’s been scrambling a bunch and has been caught out of position too easily.

It’s all been so uncharacteristic for him, and he’s playing himself out of earning another contract here. Rangers can’t commit to the same problems as they did with Hank by having a goalie make too much where it’s hindering building the team around him. If Igor were playing like Hellebuyck it would be a different story, but he’s legitimately been a bottom-3 goalie over this last stretch and can’t play himself out of it
Been saying this for months: slump or not, it makes no economic sense for the Rangers to re-sign Igor, so they probably should trade him now/before the end of this deadline. Especially if there is going to be some goalie musical chairs this deadline, now is the best time to move him
 
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I don’t see it happening this time. Unless Panarin goes Super Saiyan.

The biggest issue for Panarin this year is that no one on this team can finish. Imagine if Panarin hadn't changed up his playstyle and wasn't shooting more.

Panarin has 34 assists. That's way off his historical norms. It's one of the reasons I want the team to bring back Tarasenko and one of Ottawa's young players who can play center (preferably for a package involving Goodrow and one of our young wingers in the AHL, but not Othmann). Because we need scoring threats to capitalize on opportunities, and because if I'm the Rangers' brass when Tarasenko comes back, I want him teaching Laf how to really shoot for 30 minutes after practice every day from now until the end of the season. Plus we are still too winger heavy with our young talent, and bringing someone in who can play center immediately slots them into the third line and fixes the Chytil problem, while Tarasenko fixes the Wheeler in the Top 6 problem. I don't care if it's Greig, or Pinto, or if they decide they want Norris and Ottawa agrees to Othmann going the other way in return. Berard and dump the Goodrow contract for Greig or Pinto with Tarasenko? I'd take that in a heartbeat.

They need to fix the top 6. They need to fix 3C. They need to fix the defense and do something about the Lindgren problem (especially now that he's hurt) - but I and others who suggested Lindgren be moved last offseason were roundly criticized and now it's becoming a Girardi situation. We moved on from Mikkola, though, who despite playing solid D also seemed to help Kakko relax and produce. Tell me you wouldn't trade Lindgren straight up for Mikkola at 2.5M cap hit, right now. That would be a steal for the Rangers. And they need to do something about their goaltending, even if it's just riding Quick for a while.

Many of these problems are the same problems as last season and our GM has done little about them. We got lucky with Gustafsson, but most of the other bargain basement signings were trash, and we continue to hold back Laf from PP1 (got forbid he get some ghost points to shore up his confidence the way he's been shooting lately) in favor of Zibanejad's lousy season (which has still been far worse) and won't break up the bromance or bench Igor because why?
 
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I dont think the Rangers have the assets/cap space to fix the now gaping holes by the trade deadline. It should be find some bargin bin additions and go to war with what they got.

Drury is definitely on the hot seat. I can see him possibly getting let go after this season.

This is all offseason type moves:

On Defense:
  • I think it's time to pair Miller and Schneider together. That means moving Trouba. He will have 2 years left at $8M AAV. Will likely need to retain ~$2M. Find a bargin 3rd pairing vet for the 3rd pair.
  • Move on from Lindgren. Even with his injuries I think he could bring back some draft capital. Likely a 2nd and a 4th or a decent prospect. Look to sign a player like Hanafin or see if you can find a hockey trade for a younger D for Kakko. Pair that player with Fox.
  • Re-sign Gus for 2 years @ $1M
At center:
  • See what the market is for Zib. I doubt there will be much though with his 5v5 production and his contract. The dollar amount is not bad it's the 6 years remaining. Rangers can't retain anything for that long. Not to mention trade protections.
  • Get a solid understanding of where Chytil is at. Some players have come back from concussion issues like this (Crosby) and some haven't. A lot depends on the player.
  • Explore Zegras or comparable younger C.
Wings:
  • I do not think Perreault should be rushed an should play at least 1 more year in college. Let him fill out more and continue his development.
  • Give Othmann top 6 minutes.
  • Explore Kreider trade options. Of the 4 players I listed to explore trades so far, I think he is the least likely to be moved due to his tenure
  • Buyout Goodrow though the 26-27 hit would be pretty bad at $3.5M. I don't see a team trading for him as his contract is one of the worst in the league when comparing cost to production.

In net:
  • Explore moving Shesh. Not sure what has happened to him but he has fell off the cliff. Sell as high as you can.
  • Find a vet stopgap for 1 year. Give Garand back up duties and see what you've got in him.
 
Please, just blow it up. I would rather the POSSIBILITY of a future year after year than the guarantee of wasting our time if we "buy" at the deadline.

The odds of being the next Sabres is VERY unlikely. Roll the dice, maybe it might even be FUN to watch along the way.
 
Please, just blow it up. I would rather the POSSIBILITY of a future year after year than the guarantee of wasting our time if we "buy" at the deadline.

The odds of being the next Sabres is VERY unlikely. Roll the dice, maybe it might even be FUN to watch along the way.

You cant blow it up bc of the NMCs and the term still on the contracts. Thats the problem.

And i hope that sniveling little shit drury is fired. Hated him as a player hate him in management.

Overrated in wvery aspect. Go take your LLWS and gm the yankees.
 
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Most of the NMC contracts can be moved.

The only one you can't move is Zibanejad.

Start with Kreider and Trouba and go from there if thats what you want to do.

And Goodrow. Cant forget about Goodrow but thats going to have to be a buyout.
 
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I really think we can mitigate the suckage by moving Kreider away from Zibs.

Chytil was looking promising.... that is now dead.

We need another Center. Brodz has been serviceable besides all the hate he's received. I like him as 4C.

A perfect trade would be Pinto and Chychrun. I do not think we have what it takes to pull this off mid-season. I do not think we can change enough ( in-season ) barring a big ball shrewd move from Drury.

This is the team. Pain.

Most of the NMC contracts can be moved.

The only one you can't move is Zibanejad.

Start with Kreider and Trouba and go from there if thats what you want to do.

And Goodrow. Cant forget about Goodrow but thats going to have to be a buyout.
tbh, trading Kreider and Trouba may be the best way to trade Zibs. That's nearly a complete rebuild though
 
I'll keep repeating it.

Kreider has been just as bad as Zib when they've been paired together. Some want to pin that on Zibanejad but kreider has been a floaty, half committal oaf for most of the season at ES.

Honestly if this team wants to add at the dead line they need to play better. No season saving moves should be made.
 
I'll keep repeating it.

Kreider has been just as bad as Zib when they've been paired together. Some want to pin that on Zibanejad but kreider has been a floaty, half committal oaf for most of the season at ES.

Honestly if this team wants to add at the dead line they need to play better. No season saving moves should be made.
Kreider away from Zibs >>>> Kreider with Zibs.
 
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