Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

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I really think we can mitigate the suckage by moving Kreider away from Zibs.

Chytil was looking promising.... that is now dead.

We need another Center. Brodz has been serviceable besides all the hate he's received. I like him as 4C.

A perfect trade would be Pinto and Chychrun. I do not think we have what it takes to pull this off mid-season. I do not think we can change enough ( in-season ) barring a big ball shrewd move from Drury.

This is the team. Pain.


tbh, trading Kreider and Trouba may be the best way to trade Zibs. That's nearly a complete rebuild though
Drury has no balls. Plays it safe every time. No balls, no brains, no vision. Just like how he played. No creativity. Straight line, no chances.

Just like how he passed over a certain coach that is in edmonton now. And i actually like Lavs, but i wanted Knobs more.

But nope, that would mean having a risk of a slightly unknown. Cant have that shit.

He is so scared of taking a risk that he keeps costing this tram with safe, bad decisions.

I'll keep repeating it.

Kreider has been just as bad as Zib when they've been paired together. Some want to pin that on Zibanejad but kreider has been a floaty, half committal oaf for most of the season at ES.

Honestly if this team wants to add at the dead line they need to play better. No season saving moves should be made.
Kreider has been that way his entire career. Always takes off about half a season. At least he plays well in the playoffs. But i would trade him in a heartbeat.
 
It kills me to say this, but the "classy" stuff is just nonsense.
Coming from a franchise that has won on Cup in the last 84 years, it's BS.

It's like someone from the Rangers looked at what the Yankees used to do under George (since they clearly are not doing this anymore under Hal), and said "we should use that kind of marketing to free agents too!"
Then decided the best way to back that up was to spend lots of money on player amenities and off-ice niceties, while still not fielding a winning product.

They only need to show loyalty to their own players who prove themselves as winners - guys like Messier, Leetch, who got them there. Ironically, those were the guys they didn't show loyalty to. Kreider is a tier below that, and he's the guy people are talkin about moving when IMO he's part of the solution, not the problem. They don't owe Goodrow anything. He didn't win us a single Cup. I don't care if he's liked in the room, he sucks, but if any org owes him loyalty it's Tampa, not us. And I'm getting really tired of acting like Zibanejad, who has played like steaming garbage this entire season except for a two week stretch in November, deserves to continue to be run out there 20 minutes a night and hop over the boards every time an opponent skates to the box when or dictate that him and Kreider play together.

Goodrow's contract (and the intention to sign him) is a big part of the reason Drury felt that Buchnevich had to be moved. Goodrow's contract is the single reason bringing back Tarasenko (an infinitely better player for what ended up being a little over a million more) - who wanted to stay and who scores goals including in the playoffs - wasn't really an option last offseason. Loyalty to Igor is killing this team, when they've never won anything with him, but yet they let Lundqvist walk at the end to keep both Igor and Georgiev instead of trading one of them (Georgiev) to help fix the problems up front or on D.

This is the franchise that traded Ratelle, traded Leetch, traded Park and Bathgate, moved on from Hadfield, let Graves play out the string on the San Jose Sharks, and clung to guys like Goodrow, Steve Eminger, Dan Girardi, Tanner Glass, and Marc Staal like they were/are multi-Cup winning Rangers when it was so obvious that those players had outlived any usefulness at the NHL level, and kicked Jim Ramsey to the curb like nothing after decades in his role. They kicked Gaborik, one of the few free agent signings that lived up to the money, to the curb half a season after a 40-goal campaign and offseason shoulder surgery and watched him destroy us in the 2014 Final, but held onto the ghost of Rick Nash for multiple seasons when it was obvious the guy was reduced to the rubble of a third line grinder even after he choked in multiple playoff years.

This "class" thing is a bunch of BS and always has been.
Yes. All of this.

Trade:
Zibanejad, Wheeler, Goodrow, Lindgren.

I'd do it way before the deadline. They need to tell these guys they either need to waive their NMC/NTC or sit in the press box.
 
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I don't see the point in riding Quick. This team lives and dies with Igor. If he doesn't get back in to top form we are cooked. Play him until he comes out of it. Either we fall out of the playoffs sooner rather than later or we bow out in round 1. The former is probably the better option for the team in the long run anyway.
 
Who is giving up a premium asset in a trade for this version of Igor? The league is onto the fact that goalies are voodoo and that you win with mid range performance at mid range pay.

Even if Shesterkin was trending towards another Vezina, no one is giving up anything significant for the right to pay him 8 figures.

The best case scenario for us is that he improves a bit, gets back to league average with the occasional stolen game, and accepts a long term deal at right around his current salary.

I’ve been on the trade Igor train for awhile but that was when he was trending towards a massive paycheck. I don’t think that’s in the cards anymore unless he really, really turns it around.

Does he have a baby at home?
 
Who is giving up a premium asset in a trade for this version of Igor? The league is onto the fact that goalies are voodoo and that you win with mid range performance at mid range pay.

Even if Shesterkin was trending towards another Vezina, no one is giving up anything significant for the right to pay him 8 figures.

The best case scenario for us is that he improves a bit, gets back to league average with the occasional stolen game, and accepts a long term deal at right around his current salary.

I’ve been on the trade Igor train for awhile but that was when he was trending towards a massive paycheck. I don’t think that’s in the cards anymore unless he really, really turns it around.

Does he have a baby at home?
Think Detroit is a very obvious destination. They can afford his extension. They can send a goalie back (Augustine or Cossa). They are trying to push for the playoffs. They certainly have other assets they can send back and a deal with them likely helps the Rangers cut cap
 
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I think its about time for another mega Bern trade proposal to fix the Rangers

Ahhh.
When I post that stuff is it appreciated?
Not enuf
But now, now that Rs need my help, now you come a callin....

I will tweak the last one when I get time

to get it started....

On paper OTT should accept overpay we can live with for Sanderson, but we may have to go elsewhere on that.

We need to look at youth for youth Ws for Cs, Zegras + Byfield

Edstrom is the new Nieves -- at least until Zeg returns from broken ankle

Zegras Helleson J Perreault 2nd + 3rd
for
Othmann BMB Berard Pajuneiiemi Goodrow 1.6x retained to 2.0

Lindgren + Jones + lesser pick
for
Rasmussen DET 2nd + better pick

J Perreault
for
Barron

LaF for overpay
Vesey for market return

play Robertson immediately
promote Rempe

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Kreider Edstrom/By Zib
bread - Tro - Wheeler until Zegras
Cuylle - Byfield/Ed- Kakko
Rempe - Ras - Trouba
Brodz/Pit = reserve


KAM - Fox
Gust - Schneid
Robertson - Barron/Helleson

Drury has no balls. Plays it safe every time. No balls, no brains, no vision. Just like how he played. No creativity. Straight line, no chances.

Just like how he passed over a certain coach that is in edmonton now. And i actually like Lavs, but i wanted Knobs more.

But nope, that would mean having a risk of a slightly unknown. Cant have that shit.

He is so scared of taking a risk that he keeps costing this tram with safe, bad decisions.



Kreider has been that way his entire career. Always takes off about half a season. At least he plays well in the playoffs. But i would trade him in a heartbeat.
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I was at the game last night. A lot of inconsistent play. This team just cannot play a full 60 minutes if their lives depended on it.

Shesterkin seems to freeze a lot on the goals that beat him, but the lack of scoring by the team on a whole certainly doesn't help.

Can't make any tape to tape passes, no puck support, players seemingly never in position to put in a rebound, just wandering all over the ice. It's not a good look on tv, let alone in person.
 
Most of the NMC contracts can be moved.

The only one you can't move is Zibanejad.

Start with Kreider and Trouba and go from there if thats what you want to do.

And Goodrow. Cant forget about Goodrow but thats going to have to be a buyout.
Being forced to keep Zib if we jettison everyone else is not the end of the world.
 
You cant blow it up bc of the NMCs and the term still on the contracts. Thats the problem.

And i hope that sniveling little shit drury is fired. Hated him as a player hate him in management.

Overrated in wvery aspect. Go take your LLWS and gm the yankees.

This. All the guy has done is take money from the Rangers' organization.

He went to BU, not Harvard, and he made one of the five worst NYR trades in the last 30 years (Buchnevich for Blais), yet half the board acts like he's some kind of genius based on where he went to school? Or because he made good deadline deals to kind-of-sort-of fix problems that he created?

Seriously, though. Buchnevich deal. Top 5 worst:
-Zubov and Nedved for Robitaille and Ulf Samuelsson
-Ferraro, Laperriere, Lafayette, and Norstrom for Jari Kurri, Shane Churla, and Marty McSorley (might actually be the worst on this list)
-The Leetch trade
-The McDonagh/JT Miller trade
-Buchnevich for Blais

I can't think of any worse trades than those 5.
 
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Ahhh.
When I post that stuff is it appreciated?
Not enuf
But now, now that Rs need my help, now you come a callin....

I will tweak the last one when I get time

to get it started....

On paper OTT should accept overpay we can live with for Sanderson, but we may have to go elsewhere on that.

We need to look at youth for youth Ws for Cs, Zegras + Byfield

Edstrom is the new Nieves -- at least until Zeg returns from broken ankle

Zegras Helleson J Perreault 2nd + 3rd
for
Othmann BMB Berard Pajuneiiemi Goodrow 1.6x retained to 2.0

Lindgren + Jones + lesser pick
for
Rasmussen DET 2nd + better pick

J Perreault
for
Barron

LaF for overpay
Vesey for market return

play Robertson immediately
promote Rempe

------------

Kreider Edstrom/By Zib
bread - Tro - Wheeler until Zegras
Cuylle - Byfield/Ed- Kakko
Rempe - Ras - Trouba
Brodz/Pit = reserve


KAM - Fox
Gust - Schneid
Robertson - Barron/Helleson


bold agree
underline disagree
You want to trade Lafreniere because of overpay but keep Zibanejad?
 
This. All the guy has done is take money from the Rangers' organization.

He went to BU, not Harvard, and he made one of the five worst NYR trades in the last 30 years (Buchnevich for Blais), yet half the board acts like he's some kind of genius based on where he went to school? Or because he made good deadline deals to kind-of-sort-of fix problems that he created?

Seriously, though. Buchnevich deal. Top 5 worst:
-Zubov and Nedved for Robitaille and Ulf Samuelsson
-Ferraro, Laperriere, Lafayette, and Norstrom for Jari Kurri, Shane Churla, and Marty McSorley (might actually be the worst on this list)
-The Leetch trade
-The McDonagh/JT Miller trade
-Buchnevich for Blais

I can't think of any worse trades than those 5.
Miller & Ridley for Bobby Carpenter...followed up by Carpenter for Dionne.

I consider that one trade...we ultimately traded away two 22 year olds for the ghost of Marcel Dionne. Those guys went on to be effective NHLers for a decade while Dionne was done in less than 18 months here.
 
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People complain about the roster, they complain about not integrating young players enough but when are any of these young players going to step up? Laffreniere, Kakko, Schneider, Miller, Chytil (incredibly bad luck aside), they haven't done shit. They were supposed to be the reinforcements of the rebuild and they all suck. You need good players on ELCs to compete in this league and we don't have squat.
 
It kills me to say this, but the "classy" stuff is just nonsense.
Coming from a franchise that has won on Cup in the last 84 years, it's BS.

It's like someone from the Rangers looked at what the Yankees used to do under George (since they clearly are not doing this anymore under Hal), and said "we should use that kind of marketing to free agents too!"
Then decided the best way to back that up was to spend lots of money on player amenities and off-ice niceties, while still not fielding a winning product.

They only need to show loyalty to their own players who prove themselves as winners - guys like Messier, Leetch, who got them there. Ironically, those were the guys they didn't show loyalty to. Kreider is a tier below that, and he's the guy people are talkin about moving when IMO he's part of the solution, not the problem. They don't owe Goodrow anything. He didn't win us a single Cup. I don't care if he's liked in the room, he sucks, but if any org owes him loyalty it's Tampa, not us. And I'm getting really tired of acting like Zibanejad, who has played like steaming garbage this entire season except for a two week stretch in November, deserves to continue to be run out there 20 minutes a night and hop over the boards every time an opponent skates to the box when or dictate that him and Kreider play together.

Goodrow's contract (and the intention to sign him) is a big part of the reason Drury felt that Buchnevich had to be moved. Goodrow's contract is the single reason bringing back Tarasenko (an infinitely better player for what ended up being a little over a million more) - who wanted to stay and who scores goals including in the playoffs - wasn't really an option last offseason. Loyalty to Igor is killing this team, when they've never won anything with him, but yet they let Lundqvist walk at the end to keep both Igor and Georgiev instead of trading one of them (Georgiev) to help fix the problems up front or on D.

This is the franchise that traded Ratelle, traded Leetch, traded Park and Bathgate, moved on from Hadfield, let Graves play out the string on the San Jose Sharks, and clung to guys like Goodrow, Steve Eminger, Dan Girardi, Tanner Glass, and Marc Staal like they were/are multi-Cup winning Rangers when it was so obvious that those players had outlived any usefulness at the NHL level, and kicked Jim Ramsey to the curb like nothing after decades in his role. They kicked Gaborik, one of the few free agent signings that lived up to the money, to the curb half a season after a 40-goal campaign and offseason shoulder surgery and watched him destroy us in the 2014 Final, but held onto the ghost of Rick Nash for multiple seasons when it was obvious the guy was reduced to the rubble of a third line grinder even after he choked in multiple playoff years.

This "class" thing is a bunch of BS and always has been.
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Shesterkin is also 28 already. Do we really want to commit long term to a goaltender approaching 30 yrs old?
When Edmonton was struggling and McDavid wasn't his usual self it would have been a good opportunity to include Igor in a large trade package for McDavid. Alas that window has closed just like my chance to buy AMZN stock in 2000 after the bubble burst. :(
 
I’m ready for a bold trade
Honestly why not send a message
The team wants to win and could use a tweak but it’s not gonna make some fans happy seeing certain players go
 
I'll keep repeating it.

Kreider has been just as bad as Zib when they've been paired together. Some want to pin that on Zibanejad but kreider has been a floaty, half committal oaf for most of the season at ES.

Honestly if this team wants to add at the dead line they need to play better. No season saving moves should be made.

Kreider has especially not been great of late, but let's be real.

Kreider isn't really a rush player. I mean, if you get him a breakaway or a half a step on the outside, he can sometimes make something of that. But he isn't a carry it through the neutral zone kind of player. He's better along the wall, except he plays with a guy who is an automatic turnover in a one-on-one battle. It's easy to look disengaged on the cycle when you win a battle, chip the puck to your teammate, and it goes the other way because your teammate refuses to even try to establish body position when challenged in the least.

Thinking back to how good Kreider-Trocheck-Vesey looked as a grinding line with speed.

Kreider also gives you the best netfront presence in the league. I don't want Lafreniere in that role since it sells him short...I'd rather Laf handle the puck and get to use his playmaking on the PP. Cuylle would be the guy I'd want in front of the net, but no way this team puts Cuylle in that spot if Kreider is moved. And neither him nor Laf would be as good there as Kreider is.

Zibanejad has been awful this season, and it's telling that anyone who plays with him at ES seems to go into a slump.
 
Glad everyone is finally coming around to the obvious truth that this vote was never good enough and we cut off the rebuild too early.
Been saying it for years. You look at the Rangers compared to the other top teams in the league and it’s really a large gulf between them in terms of how they play and how the Rangers play. Not enough high end talent, and team speed is still an issue. It hurts them when it comes to defending the neutral zone, puck retrievals. The little things that win games.
 
Kreider has especially not been great of late, but let's be real.

Kreider isn't really a rush player. I mean, if you get him a breakaway or a half a step on the outside, he can sometimes make something of that. But he isn't a carry it through the neutral zone kind of player. He's better along the wall, except he plays with a guy who is an automatic turnover in a one-on-one battle. It's easy to look disengaged on the cycle when you win a battle, chip the puck to your teammate, and it goes the other way because your teammate refuses to even try to establish body position when challenged in the least.

Thinking back to how good Kreider-Trocheck-Vesey looked as a grinding line with speed.

Kreider also gives you the best netfront presence in the league. I don't want Lafreniere in that role since it sells him short...I'd rather Laf handle the puck and get to use his playmaking on the PP. Cuylle would be the guy I'd want in front of the net, but no way this team puts Cuylle in that spot if Kreider is moved. And neither him nor Laf would be as good there as Kreider is.

Zibanejad has been awful this season, and it's telling that anyone who plays with him at ES seems to go into a slump.

I’m all for splitting up the bromance. I have zero doubt that Kreider would be better once it’s done.

It doesn’t excuse how he plays with Zibanejad though. It’s 100% a lack of effort.
 
I think the team needs to unload Shesterkin and make a Gaborik-trade like move where you move out a member of the core to shore up the depth.
 
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