Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

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Bonino being waived seemed inevitable. Like the guy but he just cant skate or produce outside of winning faceoffs and blocking shots.

Leshitshow recalled for now.

Chychrun and Tarasenko would be a big move but Drury would have to find a way to get salaries out to make those guys fit.
 
agreed. Guys like Sykora, Berard and to lesser extent Edstrom and Rempe need to be given a chance to give our bottom 6 some actual youth and talent.

Cuylle
Othmann
Edstrom
Berard
Sykora
Rempe

Growing together in Hartford and the NHL is how we change the country club mindset of this team. Its not going to happen overnight but they all play that style we want
 
Ehhh, there’s no reason for the coach to publicly bury the guy, he’s obviously a respected veteran that needed to go a long time ago, but you don’t need to shit on him on the way out as coach.
 
Cuylle
Othmann
Edstrom
Berard
Sykora
Rempe

Growing together in Hartford and the NHL is how we change the country club mindset of this team. Its not going to happen overnight but they all play that style we want
Add Laf to that list of play style. I get he’s part of the existing roster but he’s not a wallflower
 
Bonino has been absolutely ass but at the very least he appeared to help our guys learn how to win faceoffs. Worth the signing for that alone.

Glad they ripped the bandaid off now instead of treading water until the deadline. Team needed a wake up call.
 
I actually think Laf, Chytil and Kakko(if he sticks around) are closer to those guys style than they are the NMC guys
Weve had some bad misses, but even back to gorton, there was a solid plan you can sorta look at and see they took shots, some hit some didn’t but it makes sense
 
tbh I think Kakko is fine. He's not a play driver. His centers have been dogshit at 5v5. He's a headcase that lacks confidence

He needs a Center that can drive play... Tro and/or Chytil is that imo. Zibs is the main problem. He is even draggin down Kreider too imo

The game is more than one occasional pass/rush play a game. Zibs has to reform his game completely. Coaches somehow fawn over him. I guess it's up to him to change, similar to Panarin.
 
From @haohmaru in the Post Game Zibanejad thread before it was closed:



Well, I think it still counts as a miss when you draft Alexandre Daigle over Chris Pronger and Paul Kariya even if it was consensus. Scouting is an art not a science so there's no formula for always finding which players will hit and which will bust, even if the consensus was "Daigle is the 1OA." (Which was assuredly the consensus that year).

And yeah, sometimes it's just bad luck that you miss. Sometimes the player that everyone thinks is the best player in the draft has a flaw that prevents him from working out. Ryan Leaf probably doesn't ever work out anywhere because, like, he had an alcohol problem and wasn't a hard worker dedicated to football.

But that doesn't mean the teams are relieved of any responsibility for development. On the flip side, the Chicago Bears have not been able to draft and develop a QB in decades. Oh, so this is all just the Bears, over and over again, picking the wrong QBs in the draft despite consensus - which is right more than it is wrong - always saying they made good picks? Like, ok, we get it, Mitch Trubisky over Mahomes and Watson was bad, but consensus was that Trubisky was still a starting QB in the league. How come he never turned into an average starter?

No, the Bears have something wrong with the organization that they don't know how to develop a QB. They spend high pick after high pick on talented guys and none of them pan out. Meanwhile the Dallas Cowboys are going on two decades of QB play that the Bears would literally murder for, and they spent a grand total of ONE (1) fourth round pick on those two QBs.

So sure, there's luck, but, no, if the Bears had a decent development plan, they would have gotten stable QB play at some point out of at least one of Cade McNown (1st Round Pick), Rex Grossman (1st Round Pick), Kyle Orton (4th round pick who went on to be decent as soon as he left Chicago), Mitch Trubisky (1st Round Pick - 2nd overall), or Justin Fields (1st Round Pick).

The Rangers have a similar problem to the Bears. There is something "in the water," so to speak, in the NY Rangers franchise, that they have an underlying cultural issue with developing and getting the most out of SCORING FORWARD TALENT.

It's been that way my entire life. Even when they won in 1994, they had to import a guy like Messier to be their lead, scoring, #1 Forward/Center. They didn't draft and develop him.

After that, it's a literal parade of veterans they imported who underachieved. This isn't a Dark Ages thing. It's a going on three decades thing. Lindros. LaFontaine. Bure. Oh, ok, that was all in their "spend in FA wildly" phase. Ok, Jagr worked for them.

Let's keep going.

Brad Richards underachieved. Marian Gaborik underachieved. Rick Nash underachieved.

Panarin is like their first free agent signing in forever that actually came to the team and delivered what was expected. And you know what we did with Panarin? We turned him loose and basically told him to pick his line mates and do whatever he wanted on the ice for 3 years. He wasn't ruined because we basically DIDN'T coach him.

Then there's the draft busts. Let's forget the main thesis of my argument; that it's "simply unbelievable," that four top 10 picks in a row ALL are misses, especially when two are consensus.

It goes back way further.

Chris Kreider took FOREVER to turn into a true first line player. JT Miller had to go elsewhere. Lauri Korpikoski and Hugh Jessiman busted.

The Rangers have literally NO HISTORY IN OUR LIFETIMES of drafting and developing elite forward talent. Sure, they can develop defensemen a good bit. Sure, they can find the occasional Callahan, Dubinski, Anisimov or Stepan, and turn them into well-rounded, DEFENSIVELY RESPONSIBLE, gritty top 6 or top 9 caliber players.

But that's the rub. That's what the Rangers know. That's what they are doing to these guys. Be Ryan Callahan. Be Brandon Dubinski.

Something in what the Rangers are asking their forward prospects to do is capping them out at 40-50 point players who have lost their scoring spark.

And that is depriving them of the superstardom scoring ability that you actually need in today's NHL to win a Cup.

This is ABSOLUTELY the Rangers fault, just like it's ABSOLUTELY the Chicago Bears fault that every QB they touch turns to mud.

This is undeniable. Anyone trying to absolve the Rangers for their role in this is a team apologist who can't bear to hear their favorite team criticized, or, alternatively, they think the "develop only Callahan types," is the right thing to do and it's the players fault for not thriving at offense in this environment. Either way, those people are wrong. And on a message board it's one thing, but it's clear that these people infect our front office, and that both Sather and Drury (who unbelievably trades Buchnevich for a fourth line grinder in Blais) are part of that sick cult.
I'm with you on the Rangers being unable to develop elite forward talent. Maybe they should hire real/competent development coaches instead of hiring relatives, buddies/relatives of buddies, etc. to be development coaches. They rarely hire outside of their cocoon, though some of the hires this past summer seem to be a slight change in direction.

BTW; I know this part should be in another thread/forum, but you speak of Mitch Trubisky and the Bear; I'm a Steelers fan and Trubisky should not play another down for them! He's barely an NFL QB. Also, I agree the Bears have had the same issues developing a QB like the Rangers have had developing elite forward talent. When the best QB your franchise has ever had last played for you in the 1940s, you've had issues.

How would the Bears fortunes have turned out if they had won the coin flip for the top pick in the 1970 Draft (it was between the Bears and Steelers) and the Steelers took Terry Bradshaw, who went n to win 4 Super Bowls in the 1970s. I think the Bears took an Offensive Tackle second overall. Bradshaw and eventually Walter Payton would've been quite a duo.
 
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Who has worked with Kreider and Zibanejad for an extended time? Buchnevich? That's about it I guess.

Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko sounds intriguing and I don't see that as a demotion for Kakko. He fits with those players better. That said, a lot of things over the last few years have looked good on paper.
 
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I don't think it will hold but i'm glad that they're going to give Fox some burn with a partner that isn't Lindgren.

I think Lindgren's true limited nature is about to come to light to a lot of people who thinks that he needs to be Fox's defensive conscience.


One area where we disagree.

I thought last year's NYR were good enough to win the cup. I think we lost due to failed tactics.

If NYR had changed to play dump and chase hockey against New Jersey, I think we would have won.

Maybe, but they weren't built for that either and Tarasenko+Kane made them even less so.
 
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Grieg is a good player they won’t trade him especially not for our trash.

Should be targeting Pinto if anyone
I don't see Berard as trash, and hopefully can make the case that Goodrow is a "proven Cup winner" who's "good in the room" and can "help lead a younger team" cuz blah, blah intangibles to justify his salary on a team that has room with a cap that's going up as not threatening their window, but setting the foundation for them to learn to play winning hockey. The 2nd rounder is sweetens the pot for Ottawa some more IMO.

If Ottawa insisted on Pinto instead of Greig I'd still take that deal in a heartbeat. Team badly needs center depth behind Chytil, and they need a shooter who can beat a goalie clean from the circles without a screen, royal road, deflection, or rebound. And I'd instantly make Taras Lafreniere's shooting coach.
 
Do Jones/Robertson have enough trade value at this point to get us competent bottom 6 forwards in a deal?
 
Now do Goodrow.

I think the best we can hope for with Barclay is as few even strength minutes as possible.

Hopefully as his face heals he will feel more comfortable getting back to agitating opponents, to the degree that we think that helps.
 
I think the best we can hope for with Barclay is as few even strength minutes as possible.

Hopefully as his face heals he will feel more comfortable getting back to agitating opponents, to the degree that we think that helps.
When was he doing that?
 
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