Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[bernmeister]

Tarasenko would be a fine fit.

Tarasenko and Ridly Greig (center depth) from Ottawa

For a 2nd, Goodrow, and a prospect (Edstrom? Berard?)

no on tara and I am not so fast on moving Edstrom

 

[hardnosed]

The timing of the switch of the defensive pairs is very intriguing. Comes right after Gus costs us a point with an absolute bonehead play. So much for accountability. The outcome is fine with Fox getting a better offensive partner. But something is a little off.

 

[Machinehead]

The timing of the switch of the defensive pairs is very intriguing. Comes right after Gus costs us a point with an absolute bonehead play. So much for accountability. The outcome is fine with Fox getting a better offensive partner. But something is a little off.

It seems a little off because you're ordering it and seeing Gustafsson as getting a promotion. Don't order it.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

So much for that; on to Plan B Lol

 

[hardnosed]

It seems a little off because you're ordering it and seeing Gustafsson as getting a promotion. Don't order it.

You are right. It's spreading out our 3 pairs. But it does make me believe that our deadline addition is a vereran defensive LD.

 

[duhmetreE]

The timing of the switch of the defensive pairs is very intriguing. Comes right after Gus costs us a point with an absolute bonehead play. So much for accountability. The outcome is fine with Fox getting a better offensive partner. But something is a little off.

has to do with Lindgren tanking an elite defenseman.

 

[hardnosed]

has to do with Lindgren tanking an elite defenseman.

Yea, no.

 

[Levitate]

tbh I think Kakko is fine. He's not a play driver. His centers have been dogshit at 5v5. He's a headcase that lacks confidence

He needs a Center that can drive play... Tro and/or Chytil is that imo. Zibs is the main problem. He is even draggin down Kreider too imo

The game is more than one occasional pass/rush play a game. Zibs has to reform his game completely. Coaches somehow fawn over him. I guess it's up to him to change, similar to Panarin.

Agree with that
Zibanejad needs a change in his style and is a big reason why I keep thinking he needs to be split from Kreider.

Kakko did well playing with Chytil before. He might do OK with Brodzinsky as Brods is a faster skater and more of a forechecker. We'll see.

Yea, no.

Lindgren has been crap this year. Fox's even strength offensive numbers have plummeted with him.

I've been a proponent of him in the past and generally was fine with that pairing but I'm not going to hold onto it out of misplaced loyalty when he's been bad

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

Agree with that
Zibanejad needs a change in his style and is a big reason why I keep thinking he needs to be split from Kreider.

Kakko did well playing with Chytil before. He might do OK with Brodzinsky as Brods is a faster skater and more of a forechecker. We'll see.

I wouldn't put KK with Brodz. Brodz is like a physical version of Zibanejad that's not afraid to shoot or go in the corners, but has a quarter of the skill.

Brodz likes to create off the rush (though he'll shoot it), Kakko can't keep up. Brodz isn't good enough along the wall or in getting open or finishing, to do much of anything with Kakko's setups off the cycle, and lacks the playmaking ability to get the puck to Kakko in a scoring area since Kakko will only go to a scoring area when he doesn't have the puck (in hopes of receiving a pass).

Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko is an interesting line.

I like Brodz better as a 4th line energy guy with some talent. Could see some sort of him/Vesey/Pitlick line meshing well if they can find a way to move Goodrow.

 

[Ail]

Even our coach suffers from 'bestie' syndrome. Drury forced to break it up.



Lavi breaks up Lindy and Fox.

Do KAM-Trouba, Kreider-Zibs next please

Finally a GM who will tell a coach to f*** off with your favorites. Based Drury with the icy veins. This gives me hope he will do what has to be done and not coddle or give a shit about someone's feelings with even bigger decisions.

 

[Levitate]

I wouldn't put KK with Brodz. Brodz is like a physical version of Zibanejad that's not afraid to shoot or go in the corners, but has a quarter of the skill.

Brodz likes to create off the rush (though he'll shoot it), Kakko can't keep up. Brodz isn't good enough along the wall or in getting open or finishing, to do much of anything with Kakko's setups off the cycle, and lacks the playmaking ability to get the puck to Kakko in a scoring area since Kakko will only go to a scoring area when he doesn't have the puck (in hopes of receiving a pass).

Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko is an interesting line.

I like Brodz better as a 4th line energy guy with some talent. Could see some sort of him/Vesey/Pitlick line meshing well if they can find a way to move Goodrow.

It's mainly KK with Brodz until Chytil is actually back in the lineup. Right now the line looks to be Cuylle-Brodz-Kakko, but I'm sure that'll change when Chytil returns.

 

[bhamill]

They have to send out kakkos money to bring in a scoring winger at 50% retained that’s the only way to really make it work outside of moving goodrow.

Kakkos a goner

Well. They are not trading Kakko for a rental. Now if it's a young scoring winger with control, depends on the deal, but they aren't giving up on this kid, just like they didn't give up on Chytil or Laf. Selling low on him would be a huge mistake. His floor is probably 40 5v5 point (since he reached that in his 21-22 year old season already) defensive wiz and possession monster, they aren't going to sell low on that. If they do they're stupid.

It’s over he’s an rfa he’s not going to do it here. He’s had his chances. They aren’t going to pay him. Time for both sides to move on. Best way to help us is in a trade.

His QO is 2.4mil. They'll pay him.

 

[LOFIN]

They have to send out kakkos money to bring in a scoring winger at 50% retained that’s the only way to really make it work outside of moving goodrow.

So what are you attaching to that? A 1st + Kakko and then what? Because Kakko alone won't bring any value. In fact, other teams can argue he's a cap dump and WE have to pay to move his money. 2.1 isn't much, but look at CapFriendly what teams are up against.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Finally a GM who will tell a coach to f*** off with your favorites. Based Drury with the icy veins. This gives me hope he will do what has to be done and not coddle or give a shit about someone's feelings with even bigger decisions.

This also seems like a clear shot from Drury to Ck and maybe even Trouba.
I don’t care who loves who, play well or get gone.

So what are you attaching to that? A 1st + Kakko and then what? Because Kakko alone won't bring any value. In fact, other teams can argue he's a cap dump and WE have to pay to move his money.

Then don’t move him.
He’s a net positive player. He’s not bonino.
When healthy he out performs his minuscule cap hit by virtue of his defensive numbers alone.

 

[LOFIN]

Then don’t move him.
He’s a net positive player. He’s not bonino.
When healthy he out performs his minuscule cap hit by virtue of his defensive numbers alone.

Absolutely, which is why I find the calls to move him out pretty irrational. If he's part of a package for a slam dunk trade, sure. If you can improve the team then do it. But the "what to do with Kakko" question is really for the offseason. Even then Rangers will absolutely qualify him with his 2.4m QO.

 

[NYR Viper]

I didn't hate the Bonino signing, same goes for Wheeler, it's just time for some fresh legs and some energy to be injected into the lineup.

 

[kovazub94]

Our long national nightmare is over.

Interesting. On the heels of Chytil’s update I was coming to post that it wasn’t a guarantee that Bonino would stay in the lineup over either Pitlick or Brodzinski even though whole lot of you thought he’s untouchable.

 

[kovazub94]

They have to send out kakkos money to bring in a scoring winger at 50% retained that’s the only way to really make it work outside of moving goodrow.

Kakkos a goner

Even if we start with this assumption about Kakko it’s not going to happen or happen outside of another move at forward until offseason. Even with Kakko in the lineup there’s a hole at RW. Trading him one for one will not resolve this.

I think Drury will defer major tinkering with the roster until the offseason.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Today’s Media Availability:

 

[Kovalev27]

I think vatrano will be a ranger at the deadline (he’s got term too not just this year)

I think the shine is wearing off lindgren but he could be a traded in the offseason)

I think kakko is a goner. I think our first round pick is a goner for sure.

I think drury is looking seriously at chychrun too.

 

[Profet]

Today’s Media Availability:

Dude looks like someone kicked his dog.

 

[kovazub94]

Kreider-Zibanejad-________
Panarin-Trochek-Lafreniere
Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko
________-Goodrow-Pitlick


This leaves Vesey and Wheeler.

Vesey is in one of those spots and I'd argue that him playing with Kreider and Zibanejad is the best value and spot in general. That line needs a good skater and puck retriever and he plays well with those 2. That is also going to be Laviolette's matchup line come playoff time. We know it is.

With the Chytil’s return Laviolette will get to try a lot of scenarios that were not available to him (the point a lot of posters ignore when asking to split Kreider from Zibanejad or just in general demote / sit some of underperforming forwards). Having only two NHL true centers has been a huge constrain.

Otherwise we don’t know what form and mindset Chytil will return and how long would it take him to show the form he had before concussion. So if were Laviolette I’d try something different in the last couple of games: move Lafreniere to Kreider - Zibanejad and Kakko to Panarin - Trocheck.

Can't wait to play well against Vegas and get goalied, followed by people saying "herp derp guess Bonino wasn't the problem."

No one will say that.

 

[kovazub94]

I think the best we can hope for with Barclay is as few even strength minutes as possible.

Hopefully as his face heals he will feel more comfortable getting back to agitating opponents, to the degree that we think that helps.

That should be the case when Chytil returns and up to speed. Laviolette would need to allocate more minutes to top-9 while Goodrow will get less ES and continue to get PK.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I think vatrano will be a ranger at the deadline (he’s got term too not just this year)

I think the shine is wearing off lindgren but he could be a traded in the offseason)

I think kakko is a goner. I think our first round pick is a goner for sure.

I think drury is looking seriously at chychrun too.

Chychrun and Vatrano are possible at 50% if Lindgren and Kakko go the other way. Leaves us with enough room to get Duclair at 50%. Also allows Chytil to come off LTIR when ready.

AP VT AL
CK FC Duclair
WC MZ Vatrano
JV BG BW

Chychrun Fox
Key JT
Gus BS

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I will continue to say it as long as its suggested.

Vatrano would be a horrendous add. Tarasenko too.

If you want a forward with term left who is actually good/fits, see what it would take to get Magiapane out of Calgary.

Chychrun would be great if i were more confident in his ability to stay healthy.

Waive Goodrow.

That is all.