Toggle sidebar

Proposal: Roster Building Thread Part IV: High Hopes

  • Xenforo Cloud has upgraded us to version 2.3.6. Please report any issues you experience.
  • We are currently aware of "log in/security error" issues that are affecting some users. We apologize and ask for your patience as we try to get these issues fixed.
Status
Not open for further replies.
Colorado has 3 defensemen. That's if you count Barberio. Zadorov hasn't signed. There is a threat of KHL for him. They have Siemens who is 23, maybe he is ready. Maybe Mironov shows he is ready after coming over from the KHL?

They need defensemen who can play top-4 minutes badly. And yes, I mean the plural, not a single player. Barrie and Johnson are the only 2 they have.
 
NYR Viper said:
Colorado has 3 defensemen. That's if you count Barberio. Zadorov hasn't signed. There is a threat of KHL for him. They have Siemens who is 23, maybe he is ready. Maybe Mironov shows he is ready after coming over from the KHL?

They need defensemen who can play top-4 minutes badly. And yes, I mean the plural, not a single player. Barrie and Johnson are the only 2 they have.
Click to expand...

Not trading them skjei
 
NYR Viper said:
Colorado has 3 defensemen. That's if you count Barberio. Zadorov hasn't signed. There is a threat of KHL for him. They have Siemens who is 23, maybe he is ready. Maybe Mironov shows he is ready after coming over from the KHL?

They need defensemen who can play top-4 minutes badly. And yes, I mean the plural, not a single player. Barrie and Johnson are the only 2 they have.
Click to expand...

I hear that Marc Staal feller is good for playing top 4 minutes badly. :sarcasm: :laugh:

Sorry Viper. You're a good guy but I had to.
 
NYR Viper said:
Colorado has 3 defensemen. That's if you count Barberio. Zadorov hasn't signed. There is a threat of KHL for him. They have Siemens who is 23, maybe he is ready. Maybe Mironov shows he is ready after coming over from the KHL?

They need defensemen who can play top-4 minutes badly. And yes, I mean the plural, not a single player. Barrie and Johnson are the only 2 they have.
Click to expand...

In all reality, they had 3 defensemen last season too.
 
Don't think MacKinnon is available but Skjei is worth more than Duchene, and better than any other young D that has been realistically linked to the Avalanche thus far. Who knows?
 
For the life of me, I don't get the obsession with Duchene. He's a worse player than Stepan in my book. For a guy that's "skilled" and "fast", he sure doesn't put up many points.
 
Really, really wouldn't move Brady. We fell backward into an incredible talent with him. Hold on to those types of guys.
 
mrhockey193195 said:
For the life of me, I don't get the obsession with Duchene. He's a worse player than Stepan in my book. For a guy that's "skilled" and "fast", he sure doesn't put up many points.
Click to expand...

The narrative that he'll put up more points on a better team is a dangerous one, and something we've fallen for as a fanbase before. I think it might hold water for a young, developing player. But, at Duchene's age, I'm much more inclined to believe that he is what he is at this point. I give it an outside shot that, given his speed game, he has a resurgence similar to Grabner once plugged into AV's transition game, but it's certainly not something I would bet on, nor pay for in a trade.
 
What Door said:
The narrative that he'll put up more points on a better team is a dangerous one, and something we've fallen for as a fanbase before. I think it might hold water for a young, developing player. But, at Duchene's age, I'm much more inclined to believe that he is what he is at this point. I give it an outside shot that, given his speed game, he has a resurgence similar to Grabner once plugged into AV's transition game, but it's certainly not something I would bet on, nor pay for in a trade.
Click to expand...

The he will put up more points on a better team story rarely happens. Often players are who they are production wise regardless of team. In fact some guys sometimes put up better points on bad teams that they have a bigger role on or less of a defensive mentality. Charles Barkley (I know different sport) speaks about guys putting up 25 points on horrible teams and then dropping to 17 points on better teams.
 
mrhockey193195 said:
For the life of me, I don't get the obsession with Duchene. He's a worse player than Stepan in my book. For a guy that's "skilled" and "fast", he sure doesn't put up many points.
Click to expand...

The problem for me is which Duchene is the real one. Is he the 25-30 goal-60-70 point guy or the guy that played last season. I do not get to see him play that much but playing with and against the worlds best (World Cup) he has looked pretty good. Is it possible he was worn down from the World Cup last season?

He has only played in 8 career playoff games so hard to know how he would do for us in the playoffs.
 
mrhockey193195 said:
For the life of me, I don't get the obsession with Duchene. He's a worse player than Stepan in my book. For a guy that's "skilled" and "fast", he sure doesn't put up many points.
Click to expand...

They're completely different kinds of players. Duchene is a north-south puck carrier, not unlike a Marty Straka type.

I agree with the argument about point production- but the people advocating for Duchene are likely doing so because he is seen to better fit this team's style of play.
 
Matt Duchene, Blake Comeau, a fourthrounder in 2018, Trent Vogelhuber and the rights to Patrick Roy for ...

Staal, Holden...Buchnevich and Berezgalov?
 
I am very much against trading Skjei unless a high end center is coming back that is around the same age

Trading him for Duchene makes zero sense. The guy is a FA in 2 years, you don't trade a controlled young Dman with potential top pairing upside for that.

Someone who is signed long term, or is still a RFA and is controlled needs to be coming back. And with the uncertainty surrounding the re-signing of McDonagh, I am not moving Brady unless it is an offer you can't refuse
 
jfc64 said:
Matt Duchene, Blake Comeau, a fourthrounder in 2018, Trent Vogelhuber and the rights to Patrick Roy for ...

Staal, Holden...Buchnevich and Berezgalov?
Click to expand...

Please tell your tongue was firmly implanted in your cheek with this mess of a proposal. (The inclusion of Roy's rights indicates it likely is.)
 
jfc64 said:
Matt Duchene, Blake Comeau, a fourthrounder in 2018, Trent Vogelhuber and the rights to Patrick Roy for ...

Staal, Holden...Buchnevich and Berezgalov?
Click to expand...

You are giving up 3 of our top 8 defensemen? That draft pick needs to be a 3rd round draft pick?
 
It would be difficult but I'd take MacKinnon for Skjei straight up.

I'd need Duchene + Makar for Skjei + 2nd
 
I don't want to say you guys are overvaluing Skjei but it sure looks like you are.

Nathan M is a top 20 center in the league. Is Skjei a top 20 defenseman?

I suspect Colorado would laugh at that offer. Sakic is going to be asking for McDonagh in a Duchene deal. They might take Skjei, but not for MacKinnon.
 
Shattenkirk is going to eat into Skjei's points next year and the 2018 off-season is going to be people blasting Skjei for having a sophomore slump.

So predictable. We'll all have a grand ole' time looking back at the moment where we wouldn't trade Skjei for Duchene or MacKinnon. Hayes was equally untouchable after his rookie season. Not so much anymore.
 
silverfish said:
Shattenkirk is going to eat into Skjei's points next year and the 2018 off-season is going to be people blasting Skjei for having a sophomore slump.

So predictable. We'll all have a grand ole' time looking back at the moment where we wouldn't trade Skjei for Duchene or MacKinnon. Hayes was equally untouchable after his rookie season. Not so much anymore.
Click to expand...

I'd hope that Skjei will be evaluated based on his two-way play, but you are right. DeAngelo and Shatt are going to eat up most of his PP minutes. I'd expect McDonagh's offensive production to drop as well.

Skjei shouldn't be a 40 point dman on a good team regardless, because that means we're forcing a primarily defensive defenseman into an offensive role for lack of anyone better to use.
 
silverfish said:
Shattenkirk is going to eat into Skjei's points next year and the 2018 off-season is going to be people blasting Skjei for having a sophomore slump.

So predictable. We'll all have a grand ole' time looking back at the moment where we wouldn't trade Skjei for Duchene or MacKinnon. Hayes was equally untouchable after his rookie season. Not so much anymore.
Click to expand...

I don't think any poster here would turn down Skjei for MacKinnon.

I don't think its absurd to not be enthusiastic about Skjei for Duchene.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Ad

Top Bottom