Proposal: Roster Building Thread Part IV: High Hopes

[McRanger]

Look at the Girardi cap hits. Add the two numbers.

Yes having that much dead space is tragic.

But if the plan is to buy him out next season regardless, then whats really the difference? There are still a few years in the middle where you get murdered. The extra year at 1.43m means little and the 80k difference the other 6 years means nothing.

The only way keeping him makes any sense is if we can trade him at the end of the year. I am not confident that he will be tradable even if AV coddles him and I am even less confident that AV will coddle him.

 

[RangerBoy]

Yes having that much dead space is tragic.

But if the plan is to buy him out next season regardless, then whats really the difference? There are still a few years in the middle where you get murdered. The extra year at 1.43m means little and the 80k difference the other 6 years means nothing.

The only way keeping him makes any sense is if we can trade him at the end of the year. I am not confident that he will be tradable even if AV coddles him and I am even less confident that AV will coddle him.

The Rangers kept Girardi for one more year and bought him out with three years remaining on the contract

 

[Mac n Gs]

I guess that means Holden will be moved somewhere soon. There's no point having that much redundancy in the backend, unless they want to build a really good team in Hartford for the short term.

 

[eco's bones]

The Rangers kept Girardi for one more year and bought him out with three years remaining on the contract

But Girardi wasn't realistically blocking anyone--apart from maybe Clendening/McIlrath neither of whom are actually any great shakes at anything. Staal if he plays regularly will block a better player. If he doesn't play regularly it's a $5.7 mil black hole.

We should have bought him out. The Rangers could have dealt with the cap numbers. His cap hit would have been offset by younger, cheaper, better players anyway.

 

[MisterUnspoken]

But Girardi wasn't realistically blocking anyone--apart from maybe Clendening/McIlrath neither of whom are actually any great shakes at anything. Staal if he plays regularly will block a better player. If he doesn't play regularly it's a $5.7 mil black hole.

We should have bought him out. The Rangers could have dealt with the cap numbers. His cap hit would have been offset by younger, cheaper, better players anyway.

Exactly.

 

[BBKers]

Basically.

Staal retiring or going on LTIR, or even being traded, are completely far-fetched ideas to me.

But he could get allergic to the MSG locker room?

 

[silverfish]

But he could get allergic to the MSG locker room?

He's certainly allergic to playing well.

 

[Boruto]

There is no tangible difference in the money for a buyout this year or the next if McRangers's numbers are correct. In 100 years of the NHL, I don't think a team has been hampered by an extra 1/1000 of the cap.

+$3.57M now for maneuverability or a center , prevent the potential loss of Bereglazov to the KHL, ensure ADA's development, ensure Skjei's role as 2LD, -$1.47M 8 years from now.

or

-$3.57M now, potentially lose a top 10 prospect for nothing if Bereglazov goes back to the KHL, -minutes from Skjei, have a gambler's toss of the dice at Staal having a "bounce back season" after he already had the opportunity of a bounce back season last year where he said he's as healthy as he's been in years, +1.47M 8 years from now.

The Rangers kept Girardi for one more year and bought him out with three years remaining on the contract

There's an actual tangible difference in the buyout costs for Girardi and we weren't in jeopardy of losing or delaying young talented D men from becoming good players and good assets.

It seems like it's fun and games now that we're not watching Staal play but if the same thing happens this year that happened last year and in the playoffs, it won't be fun for anyone, Staal included. It certainly won't be fun when ADA is struggling with his development or we lose Bereglazov for nothing.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

There is no tangible difference in the money for a buyout this year or the next if McRangers's numbers are correct. In 100 years of the NHL, I don't think a team has been hampered by an extra 1/1000 of the cap.

There has only been a cap since '05.

 

[Boruto]

There has only been a cap since '05.

This is a safe space for hyperboles.

 

[RangerBoy]

There is no tangible difference in the money for a buyout this year or the next if McRangers's numbers are correct. In 100 years of the NHL, I don't think a team has been hampered by an extra 1/1000 of the cap.

+$3.57M now for maneuverability or a center , prevent the potential loss of Bereglazov to the KHL, ensure ADA's development, ensure Skjei's role as 2LD, -$1.47M 8 years from now.

or

-$3.57M now, potentially lose a top 10 prospect for nothing if Bereglazov goes back to the KHL, -minutes from Skjei, have a gambler's toss of the dice at Staal having a "bounce back season" after he already had the opportunity of a bounce back season last year where he said he's as healthy as he's been in years, +1.47M 8 years from now.



There's an actual tangible difference in the buyout costs for Girardi and we weren't in jeopardy of losing or delaying young talented D men from becoming good players and good assets.

It seems like it's fun and games now that we're not watching Staal play but if the same thing happens this year that happened last year and in the playoffs, it won't be fun for anyone, Staal included. It certainly won't be fun when ADA is struggling with his development or we lose Bereglazov for nothing.

Once the buyout deadline passes, the most likely option for the Rangers to create workable space would be to deal Holden for draft picks while correspondingly cutting down to seven defensemen.

http://nypost.com/2017/07/26/why-sparing-marc-staal-is-rangers-only-route-to-maple-leafs-center/

Clouding the issue is a believed contractual out-clause that would allow the 23-year-old Bereglazov to return to the KHL rather than accept an assignment to the AHL. The Rangers are unlikely to allow that to happen.

The Rangers likely acquired the 21-year-old DeAngelo from the Coyotes in the Derek Stepan deal in order to play him on the right side rather than have him sit around as a spare.

But the Blueshirts also believe that Pionk, the righty signed in May out of the University of Minnesota Duluth who will turn 22 next week, is NHL-ready.

Thus, Pionk and DeAngelo presumably will be in direct competition for a spot, with the saving grace being that both are exempt from having to go through waivers.

It doesn’t seem possible for both Staal and Holden — who formed last year’s second pair — to retain their Blueshirts. The tandem crashed both collectively and individually in the second half of the season after Staal returned from his third recorded NHL concussion following a nine-game absence leading into the All-Star break.

http://nypost.com/2017/07/23/breaking-down-the-number-crunch-on-rangers-defense/

Holden hasn't been assigned a new number.

 

[Boruto]

http://nypost.com/2017/07/26/why-sparing-marc-staal-is-rangers-only-route-to-maple-leafs-center/



http://nypost.com/2017/07/23/breaking-down-the-number-crunch-on-rangers-defense/

Holden hasn't been assigned a new number.

Holden being traded doesn't resolve any log jam issues. That's always been the presumption.

Presuming Bereglazov is getting 3rd pairing minutes or bolting, If both Pionk and ADA plays on the right side, then Bereglazov has to take the 3LD spot. So one spot for Pionk or ADA on the 3RD spot and the other is down to the minors for the mean time. So that leaves Staal to take the 7D spot for $5.7M a year so we can chew pennies off of an eventual buyout cap hit? That could be the plan for AV and Gorton. Veteran D man as the 7th D, good experience, plenty of rest and sparse usage in case one of the young players struggles. I'd be okay with Staal as the 7th D in that situation but I just don't believe in Vigneault to make the right line up decisions through 82 games and the playoffs. I'd still rather have Staal bought out at the end of the day. There are very few NHL players worse than Staal in the league. Holden would be better than Staal as the 7th D.

Also knowing AV's preference to shelter bad players with good players i.e. McDonagh-Girardi or last April when Staal was struggling so bad that AV moved Staal to the top pairing and put McDonagh on his off side to shelter him, if one of the players goes down and Staal ends up struggling immensely in the lineup again, AV WILL put him with Shattenkirk or McDonagh to shelter him.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm wouldn't be all that upset of Bereglazov accepted a short stint in the AHL to start the season. Give him 15-20 games to get used to the NA rink without any pressure and then bring him up.

The Rangers can always waive him with his permission, no?

 

[Boruto]

I'm wouldn't be all that upset of Bereglazov accepted a short stint in the AHL to start the season. Give him 15-20 games to get used to the NA rink without any pressure and then bring him up.

The Rangers can always waive him with his permission, no?

I'd reckon we would start with more defensemen with Jesper being injured and a roster spot is vacant. I wouldn't consider 15-20 games a short stint for Bereglazov who has already played professional hockey. 5-10 games to get used to the NHL rinks and rules in the AHL is plenty. 15-20 would just be stalling cus we don't know what to do with ADA, Pionk, Bereglazov, and Staal. Say 10 games later, he gets recalled to the big club for good, we're back to square one.

 

[Fitzy]

Pretty exciting that NYR are so high on Pionk, I'll be interested to see his preseason and what kind of roles he is given.

My prediction now would have to be Bereglazov starts as the #7 with Staal and DeAngelo on the third pair, with Pionk staring in the AHL. Preseason (And Holden's fate) and camp will have a lot to say about all that though.

 

[Levitate]

To be honest if the Rangers get good NHL players out DeAngelo, Pionk, Bereglazov, Graves, etc, then that's an embarrassment of riches. Not sure I'd assume that all of them will pan out

 

[NYR Viper]

The Rangers may run with 8D all season. That's also a possibility.

Holden should be traded. That's pretty simple. Between Staal and Kampfer there's enough depth with the young guys around for this season.

I wonder if the Rangers would mind DeAngelo starting the year in the AHL to get used to the system a bit. Bereglazov and Pionk are a year older than he is. Shattenkirk allows the Rangers to let him simmer another year possibly.

 

[Irishguy42]

ADA is not waivers eligible this season, so it's possible.

 

[Levitate]

The Rangers may run with 8D all season. That's also a possibility.

Holden should be traded. That's pretty simple. Between Staal and Kampfer there's enough depth with the young guys around for this season.

I wonder if the Rangers would mind DeAngelo starting the year in the AHL to get used to the system a bit. Bereglazov and Pionk are a year older than he is. Shattenkirk allows the Rangers to let him simmer another year possibly.

I think it mostly just depends on how he plays in camp versus other options. They're not going to send DeAngelo to the AHL if he's the best option on the third pairing.

If he's ready he's ready and I still think people here probably underestimate both his ability and how the Rangers regard him. He wasn't just a throw in to that deal...

 

[Boruto]

Skjei for Duchene would open up roster spots for NHL ready defensemen and solve our center depth issues. Not that I want to trade Skjei before all the young defensemen are for sure panning out as NHL defensemen.

 

[cheech70]

I wonder if Staal is contemplating going on LTIR. No discussion with the media at years end. No mention of him by management from what I can recall. Even after adding all of these young defensemen. His comment last year after coming back from his concussion was telling.

Could Gorton be holding that in his back pocket?

Plus I read that after his exit interview he was in a huff and left without talking to anyone.

 

[cheech70]

Skjei for Duchene would open up roster spots for NHL ready defensemen and solve our center depth issues. Not that I want to trade Skjei before all the young defensemen are for sure panning out as NHL defensemen.

Wrong center if Brady is involved ..needs to be Nate..but I would not trade Brady..

 

[Mikos87]

Pretty exciting that NYR are so high on Pionk, I'll be interested to see his preseason and what kind of roles he is given.

My prediction now would have to be Bereglazov starts as the #7 with Staal and DeAngelo on the third pair, with Pionk staring in the AHL. Preseason (And Holden's fate) and camp will have a lot to say about all that though.

If you saw the NCAA tourney, you'd know why their high on him. They lost to a very deep Denver team (with that FLA pick leading the way).

Pionk was a key cog for his team. Watch the games if you can, Pionky was outstanding in the tourney.

During the run, I posted that the best signing the Rangers could make in the baby UFA's was him.

Last year I called Stetcher. Said that was the Rangers biggest miss (he was going home, nothing the NYR could do about it).

I heard 25 teams were interested in Neal. He's a late bloomer physically. Once he matured a bit, his game took off. The skating and passing ability was always there (he'll carve teams up with that)... but now the athleticism and conditioning are up to par.

Rangers went from having zero offensive RHD options to 3 premium ones in one summer.

Now they need to solidify the middle.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Still waiting to hear that we traded Holden and Graves for Bozak with Toronto eating some money

 

[Savant]

Skjei for Duchene would open up roster spots for NHL ready defensemen and solve our center depth issues. Not that I want to trade Skjei before all the young defensemen are for sure panning out as NHL defensemen.

Only trading Skjei for MacKinnon. But would do it.