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Proposal: Roster Building Thread Part IV: High Hopes

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silverfish said:
He can't go on whenever he chooses. He needs to be proven legitimately unfit to play by the team's phsyician, and then a league-appointed physician if the NHL feels they ought to 'challenge' it.

Again, I go back to the fact that Staal played 84 games @ 19 minutes a night last year.

The only way Staal ends up on LTIR if he gets injured again. Not because of past injuries.
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He is currently injured. You keep ignoring that.
 
Chief Ranger said:
I would be worried otherwise if he has no desire to play hockey.
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Yeah but that's what people keep saying..."maybe he'll retire! Maybe he'll go on LTIR! I bet he'd love to sit there and collect that paycheck for not doing anything!"

He wants to play NHL hockey, not retire or go on LTIR because of past injuries He has no reason at all to stop playing hockey right now. Past injuries aren't a reason, he's been "playing through them" for years and years now
 
McRanger said:
I don't see any difference between buying out Staal now and buying him out next year. Unless you think there is a legitimate chance you can trade him, I dont see how the delay helps

'18 BO----'17 BO-----Difference
$5.70-----$2.13 -------$3.57
$2.06-----$2.13 ------($0.08)
$3.06-----$3.13 ------($0.08)
$3.86-----$3.93 ------($0.08)
$1.36-----$1.43 ------($0.08)
$1.36-----$1.43 ------($0.08)
$1.36-----$1.43 ------($0.08)
$0--------$1.43--------($1.43)

The only difference between a BO this year and a BO next year is 80k savings for 6 seasons and one year of 1.43m in 2024. Which means there really isn't any difference. 80k is 0.1% of the cap.

That and we have to watch Marc Staal play another year.

You don't keep him unless you think you can trade him, and as things stand now I would be surprised if there is much interest next off season, even at 50% retained.
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Look at the Girardi cap hits. Add the two numbers.
 
Didn't Malhotra play basically blind in one eye? Staal's condition isn't nearly that bad
 
Levitate said:
Yeah but that's what people keep saying..."maybe he'll retire! Maybe he'll go on LTIR! I bet he'd love to sit there and collect that paycheck for not doing anything!"

He wants to play NHL hockey, not retire or go on LTIR because of past injuries He has no reason at all to stop playing hockey right now. Past injuries aren't a reason, he's been "playing through them" for years and years now
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Ok, again. The eye injury is not a past injury. No more so than a guy who retires due to PCS from a concussion that happened in the past. The injury is permanent. Permanent injuries are always current.

I'm not arguing that Staal wants to go on LTIR. I'm arguing that he's LTIR eligible because of the eye injury, the effect of which change over time and likely become more difficult to deal with as other physical abilities deteriorate with age.

Whether it's something that's about to happen seems unlikely, but the actual truth is that we have no idea.
 
Tawnos said:
His vision is permanently impaired.
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But he's been playing with that "injury" (which is disingenuous to call it that, it's more an impairment) for 4 full seasons. I'm not saying he couldn't LTIR as a result of that, but to say he's injured is a little crazy.

This is all moot anyway, there is no chance Marc Staal wants to retire and just get his money. He's only 30 and a prideful guy, he wants to play and show that he's still good (his opinion not mine) and win a cup.
 
Tawnos said:
To repeat what I alluded to earlier, how much time did Hossa miss because of his condition last year?
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Right. This condition which was confirmed by a team physician and re-affirmed by the NHL.

Will the same process happen for Staal? Does Staal want to stop playing like Hossa does due to his condition?

I have my doubts.
 
silverfish said:
Right. This condition which was confirmed by a team physician and re-affirmed by the NHL.

Will the same process happen for Staal? Does Staal want to stop playing like Hossa does due to his condition?

I have my doubts.
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I've never argued that Staal wants to do this. The only thing I've said is that he could if he did want to.

There's zero doubt in my mind that Staal's condition would be confirmed by the team and re-affirmed by the league.
 
Tawnos said:
Bryan Berard retired from the NHL at 31. And Malhotra's physical abilities didn't start to deteriorate until his mid-30s. We've already seen a deterioration of Staal's.
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Yes. Retired. Not LTIR.

Tawnos said:
I've never argued that Staal wants to do this. The only thing I've said is that he could if he did want to.

There's zero doubt in my mind that Staal's condition would be confirmed by the team and re-affirmed by the league.
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I disagree :dunno:
 
Levitate said:
Yeah but that's what people keep saying..."maybe he'll retire! Maybe he'll go on LTIR! I bet he'd love to sit there and collect that paycheck for not doing anything!"

He wants to play NHL hockey, not retire or go on LTIR because of past injuries He has no reason at all to stop playing hockey right now. Past injuries aren't a reason, he's been "playing through them" for years and years now
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Would you have said the same about Klein last year?
 
Tawnos said:
He wasn't under contract. There wasn't LTIR to be had.
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He went and played in Russia for a year after the NHL. He didn't retire willingly, he just didn't get a contract. If he had one, it's pretty clear he would not have opted for LTIR, because he kept playing.

It's also impossible to know if he had opted for LTIR, if he'd have been granted it.

Levitate said:
So this is an argument of opinions with no way to prove the truth
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Are you new here? :)
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
Would you have said the same about Klein last year?
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Let me put it this way...why would Staal retire/LTIR this season as opposed to last season, or the season before, or the season before that, or when his lost his eye

What makes this season so different other than Rangers fans really really hoping that a miracle happens and Staal is no longer on this team when the season starts?

This entire "thought exercise" is just fans concocting an elaborate justification for why their fantasy of Staal retiring/LTIRing is totally plausible and something that will happen
 
Levitate said:
Let me put it this way...why would Staal retire/LTIR this season as opposed to last season, or the season before, or the season before that, or when his lost his eye

What makes this season so different other than Rangers fans really really hoping that a miracle happens and Staal is no longer on this team when the season starts?

This entire "thought exercise" is just fans concocting an elaborate justification for why their fantasy of Staal retiring/LTIRing is totally plausible and something that will happen
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Basically.

Staal retiring or going on LTIR, or even being traded, are completely far-fetched ideas to me.
 
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