Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

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Or they can sign him for two years and reevaluate? Trade him at the deadline if the team is out of it. Extend him mid-season if they want to. Are they not going to be capable of signing an extension with two years notice if desired?

People are concerned with handing Miller and Lafreniere long-term deals next off-season. I'd have even more fear or Dubois leaving after a 2 year deal based on past track record.

Let's say they sign him to a 2 year deal and then in year 2, the team is sitting at 5th in the East. Would they trade him? Probably not. This puts them in the same exact spot in 2 off-seasons as they are now, with less assets, again.

If they like the player and want to move prime assets for him then lock him in at as good of a number as you can. Commit.
 
Barron is a pretty good bottom-6 prospect who can play as a bit of a swiss-army knife. Yes, he is 24, but he's a bigger kid who has played well in college and in the AHL. The late 1st is in a similar spot where the Rangers were able to trade up from to snag Schneider or Miller or take Skjei.

These are assets. Teams require assets to move players. Do we not understand that spending assets for a guy who is around for 2-3 months is a bad idea unless those assets are not overly valuable?
Those assets weren’t valuable.
 
People are concerned with handing Miller and Lafreniere long-term deals next off-season. I'd have even more fear or Dubois leaving after a 2 year deal based on past track record.

Let's say they sign him to a 2 year deal and then in year 2, the team is sitting at 5th in the East. Would they trade him? Probably not. This puts them in the same exact spot in 2 off-seasons as they are now, with less assets, again.

If they like the player and want to move prime assets for him then lock him in at as good of a number as you can. Commit.

Or, retain flexibility and don't lock yourself into huge long term deals. Do you expect him to cost hugely more in two years than he does now? It's not likely he'll become a 9M+ player. If people think he's worth 6-7M now I doubt he's worth more than 7-8M in two years. What if they like the player, were wrong, and it doesn't work out after they signed him long term? If they were right and he's a good 2C 60-70 point player than can still sign him later and be more comfortable with the decision. What if they like him but then something better becomes available later and now they're stuck because they gave him a long term deal immediately with minimal cap benefit?
 
I would argue that finding a good 3C who is defensively responsible but not overly effective offenively isn't that difficult really though. Nick Paul. Barclay Goodrow. Paul Stastny. Calle Jarnkrok. Johan Larsson. Erik Haula. These are just some off the top of my head from the last couple of years who could fill that role. Not all of them are 'ideal' but if you build a competent 3rd line to support many of them, it's a good shut-down line.
The way the Rangers are structured it's more beneficial for them to have 3 scoring lines. And when I say cheap and fill-in I mean like Blackwell. All of the players you mentioned are going to cost more than that and won't be worth it except for Stastny. Larsson is a 4th liner anyway and the Rangers can't afford the others.
 
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From what I understand he's not pouting in WPG, he just wants to play in a bigger market. He seemed to play hard on the ice. Be curious to know if he was liked in the locker room there. That team went from a very tight team to a team with chemistry issues in a short time. I think Trouba leaving was a big part of it.
Bread should be able to give some insight
 
Or, retain flexibility and don't lock yourself into huge long term deals. Do you expect him to cost hugely more in two years than he does now? It's not likely he'll become a 9M+ player. If people think he's worth 6-7M now I doubt he's worth more than 7-8M in two years. What if they like the player, were wrong, and it doesn't work out after they signed him long term? If they were right and he's a good 2C 60-70 point player than can still sign him later and be more comfortable with the decision. What if they like him but then something better becomes available later and now they're stuck because they gave him a long term deal immediately with minimal cap benefit?

If they don't look at him as a long term piece than DON'T TRADE PRIME ASSETS FOR HIM.

I'd expect him to come in and be a 70+ point center here. So I would expect his next contract to be in that $8-9m range, especially when the cap increases.

Either target a player who you want around for a long time, or don't expel the prime assets to bring him in. This is what scouting is all about.

The way the Rangers are structured it's more beneficial for them to have 3 scoring lines. And when I say cheap and fill-in I mean like Blackwell. All of the players you mentioned are going to cost more than that and won't be worth it except for Stastny. Larsson is a 4th liner anyway and the Rangers can't afford the others.

I was just using them as examples of guys who could be your 3C. Hell, Goodrow is already on the team. Support him with Kaako and Blais and that's a kick-ass 3rd line. Perhaps they target someone like Zucker and push Blais down. Either way, it's much easier to back-fill that 3C spot than it is to find a good 2C.
 
I don't know bros I really think moving young pieces like Chytil/Kakko/Schneider for a guy like PLD instead of someone like J.T. Miller is a huge mistake.

Dubois just doesn't seem like the type that puts us over the hump in this next 1-2 years. There was a time I really liked him but that time has long passed and I just don't see him really fitting what Drury wants. PLD makes sense on paper, since we need a 2C and he has some history with Panarin but I don't think PLD is the RIGHT type of Center to go after for this team.
 
If they don't look at him as a long term piece than DON'T TRADE PRIME ASSETS FOR HIM.

I'd expect him to come in and be a 70+ point center here. So I would expect his next contract to be in that $8-9m range, especially when the cap increases.

Either target a player who you want around for a long time, or don't expel the prime assets to bring him in. This is what scouting is all about.



I was just using them as examples of guys who could be your 3C. Hell, Goodrow is already on the team. Support him with Kaako and Blais and that's a kick-ass 3rd line. Perhaps they target someone like Zucker and push Blais down. Either way, it's much easier to back-fill that 3C spot than it is to find a good 2C.

They don't have a crystal ball. It's entirely possible they look at him as a long term piece and then realize a year later they are wrong. You'd expect him to come here and have his best season of his career by 10+ points immediately? Those are some lofty expectations. He already had a big role playing 19 mins/game this year. There's risk mitigation at play here. You don't need to instantly sign everyone important to huge long term deals. I do think it's fine to sign him long term. It's just not mandatory.
 
PLD Elite Prospects.........A phenominal two-way power forward who thrives under pressure. He brings versatility, being able to play as a center or a winger, as well as elite skill and agility. His athleticism is exemplified in his strong skating that allows him to backcheck hard, explode up the ice in-transition, or propel himself up into hits that opponents won't soon forget. His defensive zone play is excellent; he proactively finds and takes away shooting and passing lanes, and makes it tough on opponents to pinpoint any daylight. When he is on the ice, he is uncontainable and leads the forecheck; he creates the time and space for himself to be creative with the puck and finds a way to get it to the back of the net. He makes the players around him better, serving as an example of what hard work and skill can and will be able to produce.

A similarly punishing two-way forward with size and zero deficiencies, Anze Kopitar, is the type of player Dubois will aspire to become at the next level. Pierre-Luc Dubois has the potential to develop into an elite two-way forward who excels as a positive catalyst in every facet of the roles he can play, be it the dynamic scorer, the set-up man, the intimidating power forward, or the defensive-minded shutdown guy. He is the type of player nobody likes to play against. (Curtis Joe, EP 2016)

Can he be this??? Drury thinks so...
 
If they don't look at him as a long term piece than DON'T TRADE PRIME ASSETS FOR HIM.

I'd expect him to come in and be a 70+ point center here. So I would expect his next contract to be in that $8-9m range, especially when the cap increases.

Either target a player who you want around for a long time, or don't expel the prime assets to bring him in. This is what scouting is all about.



I was just using them as examples of guys who could be your 3C. Hell, Goodrow is already on the team. Support him with Kaako and Blais and that's a kick-ass 3rd line. Perhaps they target someone like Zucker and push Blais down. Either way, it's much easier to back-fill that 3C spot than it is to find a good 2C.
Of course it's easier to fill the 3rd line center role than the 2nd line center role, that's unquestionable. My argument is I think the Rangers would have a simpler time finding someone who can fill in on that 2nd line RW spot rather than finding the right 3rd line center who can anchor a line that can be a threat offensively.

Assuming the Rangers lineup would be this after a Dubois/whoever trade

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Dubois-X
Blais-Chytil-Kravtsov
Hunt-Goodrow-Reaves/Brodzinski
Reaves/Brodzinski

It would be easier to fill in that spot with someone who is cost effective but can still be a contributor, while maintaining 3 scoring lines.
 
Ok but why would they take on a bad contract in exchange for a decent role player on an expiring contract without also getting anything of value back?
I'd hazard a guess cause Nemeth's contract isn't bad per se, it is just bad for the Rangers. The cap hit moving helps the Rangers and the Ducks financially. Especially if the Ducks move Gibson. The Ducks do not need the forward depth, they need the D depth and the Rangers are the opposite, we need the forward depth.

Also, Nemeth had a weird year. He is better then he is getting credit for here. It is a small trade that could provide value for both teams. I do not support trading picks or prospects for Grant. This would, hypothetically, be a roster player swap only. Perhaps Goat or Georgiev goes their way as well, again, especially if they trade Gibson.
 
I don't know bros I really think moving young pieces like Chytil/Kakko/Schneider for a guy like PLD instead of someone like J.T. Miller is a huge mistake.

Dubois just doesn't seem like the type that puts us over the hump in this next 1-2 years. There was a time I really liked him but that time has long passed and I just don't see him really fitting what Drury wants. PLD makes sense on paper, since we need a 2C and he has some history with Panarin but I don't think PLD is the RIGHT type of Center to go after for this team.
No Filip or Schneider..the deal is K2 and Lundquist...have a competion for the open wing Othman, Cuylee etc
 
forget Dubois cost to much in cap (Trouba or Kreider would have to be traded)... im all for trading kaako for young center, but why dont we look to trade him to AZ for schmaltz? young center 26yrs and under contract for 4 more years.. then trade Lundkvist for Turcotte..

young centers for now and future.
 
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Seattle apparently looking to spend big in FA. Let go of any hope you had for Gourde if that’s the case
 
PLD could be the next Zibanejad type of pick up.

But, I don't even want to know what it would cost.

Fox
Shesterkin
Lafreniere
Miller
Kakko

Are untouchable for me in a PLD trade.
 
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PLD could be the next Zibanejad type of pick up.

But, I don't even want to know what it would cost.

Fox
Shesterkin
Lafreniere
Miller
Kakko

Are untouchable for me in a PLD trade.
I’d put Schneider on there. PLD is not the guy you take the risk on if it cost moving Schneider.

That leaves something like;

Chytil, Lundkvist, 1st

That’s a decent starting point for a deal to be made.
 
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I have thoughts on the whole PLD grain of salt, but does someone have an idea of what he will get as an RFA? I know he has promised to go to UFA, ok cool that is established. What is the realistic projection of his next 2 year salary?
 
I have thoughts on the whole PLD grain of salt, but does someone have an idea of what he will get as an RFA? I know he has promised to go to UFA, ok cool that is established. What is the realistic projection of his next 2 year salary?
I believe his QO is 6.55M or so. So I would assume around that for the next 2 years.
 
What's a reasonable return for Georgiev? Early/mid 2nd? Coyotes have 4 picks between 34 and 45, I could see a fit in Arizona.
 
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