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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

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Derek Grant had 15 goals in 56 games in 19-20, 6 goals in 46 games(56 game season)in 21(almost 11 goals pro-rated over a full season) and 15 goals in 22-23. He is one of those TB bottom six players. He doesn't make a lot of money. He fills a role. He is good on face-offs. He has been over 50% on face-offs during his career except for last season. He was 48.5% on winning face-offs. Would you prefer the Rangers attaching a 2nd round pick to dump Nemeth?

Elliotte Friedman was on the Jeff Marek show. Winnipeg is no rush. They will hire a new coach. Teams called Winnipeg after the Dubois news came out last week. Cheveldayoff will take his time.
 
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RangerBoy said:
Derek Grant had 15 goals in 56 games in 19-20, 6 goals in 46 games(56 game season)in 21 and 15 goals in 22-23. He is one of TB bottom six players. He doesn't make a lot of money. He fills a role. He is good on face-offs. He has been over 50% on face-offs during his career except for last season. He was 48.5% on winning face-offs. Would you prefer the Rangers attaching a 2nd round pick to dump the Nemeth?
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Why does Anaheim trade a seemingly useful 4th liner on a cheap expiring deal for a worse, longer contract for a player that proved to be far less useful than the player they'd be trading?
 
RangerBoy said:
Would Anaheim be interested in Nemeth? Pat Verbeek was the Red Wings AGM when Detroit signed Nemeth to his previous contract. 2 years/$6M. Anaheim needs a veteran 5th/6th D. More experience. It won't cost much.

Nemeth for Derek Grant who has one year remaining at $1.5M. Grant fills a spot on the Rangers bottom 3/6. If things don't work, the Rangers have the option of assigning Grant to the AHL and taking a $375,000 cap hit. $1,125,000 is the AHL number.
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Had Anaheim in mind as well as a landing spot for Nemeth. Whether that's with an asset attached or something else.
 
if we actually trade for PLD whatever it costs will really hurt and make our cap situation worse. it's probably doable and he'd be an amazing acquisition. but there will be a lot of collateral damage. But the good news is he's barely 24 and pretty much exactly what we could use.
 
Also, Nemeth was really brought in to be that big physical Swede to mentor Nils on that bottom pair. Fast forward a bit, Nemeth has played poorly and Schneider seems to have leapfrogged Lundkvist. On paper it wasn't a bad move but it's kinda fallen through. I'd much rather see an inexperienced combo of Jones and Schneider than see Nemeth again. Wouldn't be against seeing Nils with him either, though he might be more useful as a trade chip
 
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rangers1314 said:
Fair enough, I see your point. We'll see what Copp gets on the open market.

I get more pissed off at losing picks to rid yourself of toxic contracts. We lost a 2nd to get rid of Staal and we'll probably have to lose an asset to rid ourselves of Nemeth. Those annoy me more.
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No argument there. I think if we look around at the teams who build correctly, during the beginning of their windows they use picks to bring in LONG TERM pieces. I'm okay paying the price for a guy who will be around for a while. Look at Tampa and what they did with Callahan, McDonagh, Coburn and others or Colorado with Toews and Kadri. Once you reach the point where you are a true contender then is makes more sense to trade for rentals, Pittsburgh and Washington are good examples of teams doing this now. The Rangers are just starting to build and yet are wasting prime picks and assets on guys with short lives in the organization. I hate it.

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Would do it if it was a straight burial in the AHL to get out of Nemeth’s contract, I just don’t trust the team that played Greg McKegg 43 games this past season to do that though.
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I mean worst case scenario is they waive him and he gets claimed.

DanielBrassard said:
I might be the outlier, but in a hypothetical trade for Dubois or any other similar center, if it came down to Chytil or Kakko, I think I'd rather move Kakko.
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It's Chytil for me

I'll say this, I would be perfectly fine paying the price for Dubois. What irks me is they just wasted all of those assets, with the same team, to rent Copp. That 1st, 2nd, 5th and Barron could have been used for a longer term piece...
 
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Trading Kakko for Dubois is so dumb it makes absolutely 0 sense. It’s not about perpetually rebuilding it’s about managing the roster. The guy has cried his way out of two cities has won nothing isn’t an elite point scorer or defensive player and wants to get paid $2-3M over market value to the highest bidder so let’s trade our 2OA pick at the expiration of his ELC before he even develops man strength plus like 2-3 other prime assets for 2 years of him. Smart management
 
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Are the Rangers a better team next season trading Kakko+ or Chytil++ for PLD, than keeping Kakko and re-signing Copp or Strome?
 
RangerBoy said:
Derek Grant had 15 goals in 56 games in 19-20, 6 goals in 46 games(56 game season)in 21(almost 11 goals pro-rated over a full season) and 15 goals in 22-23. He is one of those TB bottom six players. He doesn't make a lot of money. He fills a role. He is good on face-offs. He has been over 50% on face-offs during his career except for last season. He was 48.5% on winning face-offs. Would you prefer the Rangers attaching a 2nd round pick to dump Nemeth?

Elliotte Friedman was on the Jeff Marek show. Winnipeg is no rush. They will hire a new coach. Teams called Winnipeg after the Dubois news came out last week. Cheveldayoff will take his time.
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Getting a time traveling player cannot be understated IMO



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Mac n Gs said:
It’s also a good reminder for everyone thinking that we’ll get value for our run-of-the-mill RFAs that have similarities in basically every organization.
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Sure. None of us really thought Tarmo was a blue chip prospect (Not the way some of us hoped Barron would be), just someone worth keeping an eye on.

Not dissimilar from Pajuniemi, Rykov, Skinner, Korszak and a myriad of other 3rd/4th/5th round picks we've had who since showed some promise.

Those prospects rose from C- to C+/B- status while guys like Henriksson, Tarnstrom and Lindbom fell from B-/C+ to C- status
 
NYR Viper said:
No argument there. I think if we look around at the teams who build correctly, during the beginning of their windows they use picks to bring in LONG TERM pieces. I'm okay paying the price for a guy who will be around for a while. Look at Tampa and what they did with Callahan, McDonagh, Coburn and others or Colorado with Toews and Kadri. Once you reach the point where you are a true contender then is makes more sense to trade for rentals, Pittsburgh and Washington are good examples of teams doing this now. The Rangers are just starting to build and yet are wasting prime picks and assets on guys with short lives in the organization. I hate it.



I mean worst case scenario is they waive him and he gets claimed.



It's Chytil for me

I'll say this, I would be perfectly fine paying the price for Dubois. What irks me is they just wasted all of those assets, with the same team, to rent Copp. That 1st, 2nd, 5th and Barron could have been used for a longer term piece...
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Barron has 6 points in 32 NHL games and is about to turn 24. the 1st is the 30th pick. the 2nd is low too. Who were we getting here?
 
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Crease said:
Are the Rangers a better team next season trading Kakko+ or Chytil++ for PLD, than keeping Kakko and re-signing Copp or Strome?
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Not in my eyes.

Question is whether NYR are better in 2024-2026 if they just go with Chytil and a couple 1-year contracts for next season.

Not to sound like Mas, but we should also be thinking about how not to jam up cap for the second window.
 
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Are the Rangers a better team next season trading Kakko+ or Chytil++ for PLD, than keeping Kakko and re-signing Copp or Strome?
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If it's Kakko traded, yes but i'd be worried long term; if it's Chytil traded, probably not but depending on those ++'s this team contends for a long time if they get literally any top 6 value from Kakko/Laf.
 
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Kakko for Dubois is fair. Also we want to build our Center depth so we need to keep Filip. Wing is deep..
 
Ola said:
If we are trading with Winnipeg, Logan Stanley is the one I would target. They have Heinola on the farm that complements Morrisey and Dillion better. Stanley could be dealt.

He will be dirt cheap for a number of years. Players like him take a long time to develop. His physical presence could be valuable for us down the road. We have Reeves now, who takes over after him? Stanley also has a lot of potential defensively. Gallant really likes a 3rd pair that can PK and clear the crease. Not sure if I really see the upside with that approach, but Stanley fits it for sure.

Gives Schneider a more free role offensively if he plays with Stanley.
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The team is rebuilding and you think they'll want to trade their youngest NHL d-man?
 
jerseyjinx94 said:
Trading Kakko for Dubois is so dumb it makes absolutely 0 sense. It’s not about perpetually rebuilding it’s about managing the roster. The guy has cried his way out of two cities has won nothing isn’t an elite point scorer or defensive player and wants to get paid $2-3M over market value to the highest bidder so let’s trade our 2OA pick at the expiration of his ELC before he even develops man strength plus like 2-3 other prime assets for 2 years of him. Smart management
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It’s dumb to convert young wing value into young center value for this franchise?
 
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Id be interested in a deal for PLD but his attitude scares me. I feel like we can give up a ton here and backfire.

It would be a risk but high reward if everything works out
 
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DanielBrassard said:
I might be the outlier, but in a hypothetical trade for Dubois or any other similar center, if it came down to Chytil or Kakko, I think I'd rather move Kakko.
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I get what you're saying.

I disagree only because if we acquire PLD, RW becomes more of a need than center.
 
pld459666 said:
Not a fan of his attitude, but, he just posted his 2nd 25+ goal and 60+ point season and will start and play the full 22-23 season as a 24 year old.

Perfect 2nd line center
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Just unfortunately we can not afford an 8 million dollar second line center.
 
Crease said:
Are the Rangers a better team next season trading Kakko+ or Chytil++ for PLD, than keeping Kakko and re-signing Copp or Strome?
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all depends on the cost of Copp. If it's for 5.25 or less that is the option you have to go with.PLD is gonna want 8 million plus.
 
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