Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

[Taluss]

I'd rather sign Malkin

Sure same but he’s gonna want a longer deal and higher AAV imo. Probably won’t be able to offer what he wants

 

[AirGut]

I’d put Schneider on there. PLD is not the guy you take the risk on if it cost moving Schneider.

That leaves something like;

Chytil, Lundkvist, 1st

That’s a decent starting point for a deal to be made.

Chytil+Lundkvist+1st seems pretty fair but I expect WPG to beg for Schneider
I don't know if I can stomach moving Schneider for PLD although he checks most of the boxes for us and fills the 2C gap instantly. As GENESISPuck said, this could very well end up being a Zibanejad type of deal where we pick up a high risk high reward Center and it works out for us. Dubois would love coming to the NY and getting to play with some QC guys possibly even on a same line. It'd feel much fresher to him than going from Columbus to Winnipeg.

Lafreniere-Dubois-Blais

 

[Quinnisinoverhishead]

New York Rangers fans and management are just too impatient. It's actually embarrassing. Every time there is a shiny toy, they are all over it. Relax! Rarely has free agency worked in our favour.

Last year:
Nemeth, Hunt, Tinordi, Goodrow
2020:
Jack Johnson
2019:
Panarin - better wake up!
2018:
Spooner, Vesey, Namesnikov
2017:
Shattenkirk
2016:
Michael Grabner (Only good signing)

If we go back even more years: Holik, Drury, Gomez, Redden, Richards

Tampa, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Colorado, Chicago, Boston, LA... all teams that built from within and then added the cherries once they were ready to compete.

Laffy - Zibby - Kakko
Panarin - Chytil - Kravtsov
Kreider - Goodrow - Frk
Blais - Brassard - Reaves

Grab Martin Frk & Brassard on a 1 year deal.
Let Cuylle and Othmann fight it out to make the team.

 

[Chaels Arms]

What's a reasonable return for Georgiev? Early/mid 2nd? Coyotes have 4 picks between 34 and 45, I could see a fit in Arizona.

A box of those black Coyotes jerseys in your avatar in sizes L-XXL would probably be enough.

 

[Calad]

What's a reasonable return for Georgiev? Early/mid 2nd? Coyotes have 4 picks between 34 and 45, I could see a fit in Arizona.

Deal. Fax the paperwork

 

[Taluss]

What's a reasonable return for Georgiev? Early/mid 2nd? Coyotes have 4 picks between 34 and 45, I could see a fit in Arizona.

If it’s to the Yotes I’ll accept a signed Shane Doan jersey tbh.

(I’d imagine a 3rd would do it, I don’t think there will be a bidding war for him)

 

[JimmyG89]

If it’s to the Yotes I’ll accept a signed Shane Doan jersey tbh.

So would Larry Brooks

 

[RangersFan]

Sure same but he’s gonna want a longer deal and higher AAV imo. Probably won’t be able to offer what he wants

Just watched thehockeyguy's yt video on it. Mention Malkin just wants to play for a contender, and will take a low cap hit. It just sucks we're in the same division, which makes the odds less likely he would sign here, but you never know.

 

[Taluss]

Chytil+Lundkvist+1st seems pretty fair but I expect WPG to beg for Schneider
I don't know if I can stomach moving Schneider for PLD although he checks most of the boxes for us and fills the 2C gap instantly. As GENESISPuck said, this could very well end up being a Zibanejad type of deal where we pick up a high risk high reward Center and it works out for us. Dubois would love coming to the NY and getting to play with some QC guys possibly even on a same line. It'd feel much fresher to him than going from Columbus to Winnipeg.

Lafreniere-Dubois-Blais

If he didn’t have the attitude problems and give up on 2 teams I’d probably be willing to give up Schneider.

Unfortunately that’s not the case so if I was Drury I’d let them beg all they want and not accept it lol.

But I completely agree PLD could work out great here. Frankly I’d lead much more towards that being more realistic. But considering his past it will always be in the back of my mind that it could work out the same as before

 

[HonestGabe]

New York Rangers fans and management are just too impatient. It's actually embarrassing. Every time there is a shiny toy, they are all over it. Relax! Rarely has free agency worked in our favour.

Last year:
Nemeth, Hunt, Tinordi, Goodrow
2020:
Jack Johnson
2019:
Panarin - better wake up!
2018:
Spooner, Vesey, Namesnikov
2017:
Shattenkirk
2016:
Michael Grabner (Only good signing)

If we go back even more years: Holik, Drury, Gomez, Redden, Richards

Tampa, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Colorado, Chicago, Boston, LA... all teams that built from within and then added the cherries once they were ready to compete.

Laffy - Zibby - Kakko
Panarin - Chytil - Kravtsov
Kreider - Goodrow - Frk
Blais - Brassard - Reaves

Grab Martin Frk & Brassard on a 1 year deal.
Let Cuylle and Othmann fight it out to make the team.

We’ve been building from within since 2018. The team just went to the ECF and is sitting on a mountain of assets. I’d argue that it’s time to add the cherries

 

[jerseyjinx94]

It’s dumb to convert young wing value into young center value for this franchise?

Absolutely not.

That’s what you took from my post?

 

[Taluss]

Just watched thehockeyguy's yt video on it. Mention Malkin just wants to play for a contender, and will take a low cap hit. It just sucks we're in the same division, which makes the odds less likely he would sign here, but you never know.

I mean if he’s willing to sign a 1 year deal at an AAV we can afford Id certainly do that. Gives us another year to see Chytil and Kakko progress & gives us room to sign Miller and Laf next. After that’s done we can revaluate what to give up for a younger 2C with term.

 

[SA16]

Would you trade a 2nd for Georgiev if another team had him and we didn't have Igor? Then why is anyone else? This fanbase, for the most part, can't stand him and he's coming off back to back years of an .898 and .905 save percentage. He's not getting an early/mid second.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I remember a few years ago PLD was tough to handle in the playoffs. Used his body and speed very well. Would be interesting to have that version but his first year on the Jets was a concern.

 

[Ola]

Sign the following UFAs:
Alex Nylander (if not qualified)
Dennis Malgin
Karson Kuhlman (if not qualified)
Rocco Grimaldi
Vinnie Hinostroza
Lucas Wallmark

Let them battle it out in camp, then ask Panarin who we should keep and go from there.

Seriously though, there are good players out there. Karson Kuhlman is a bit rough around the edges, late bloomer, but I love him in many ways. Alex Nylander is slowly but surely getting better each year. Could Panarin put him over the top? I like Hinostroza, his ability to transport the puck is world class. Malgin and Grimaldi are real rockets on the ice. Wallmark isn’t a bad player, Elias Lindholm type.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Trading Kakko for Dubois is so dumb it makes absolutely 0 sense. It’s not about perpetually rebuilding it’s about managing the roster. The guy has cried his way out of two cities has won nothing isn’t an elite point scorer or defensive player and wants to get paid $2-3M over market value to the highest bidder so let’s trade our 2OA pick at the expiration of his ELC before he even develops man strength plus like 2-3 other prime assets for 2 years of him. Smart management

I understand some people hate the thought of trading the #2 pick (Kakko) in the draft but PLD was the #3 pick in a much stronger draft.

 

[GAGLine]

I believe his QO is 6.55M or so. So I would assume around that for the next 2 years.

His QO is 6 mil. His salary was 6.65 mil this year, but the QO is now the lower of the previous year salary or 120% of the AAV. The AAV was 5 mil. 120% of that is 6 mil.

What's a reasonable return for Georgiev? Early/mid 2nd? Coyotes have 4 picks between 34 and 45, I could see a fit in Arizona.

It won't take that much unless by some miracle there is a bidding war for his rights. We can't afford his QO, so if we don't trade him by the draft, he'll become a UFA.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Trump?

yea he probably gets triggered by him easily

 

[RangerBoy]

Friedman saying today that Mike Grier is in the final group for the SJS GM job.

Ryan Whitney and a mystery candidate. SJ interviewed someone from Europe. Johan Garpenlov?

 

[CLW]

IF they can acquire PLD at a reasonable price and IF he plays like he played in the bubble, it could be a helluva of an acquisition. Game changing.

Reasonable price for a young up and coming relatively proven C? An arm and a leg (not McKegg), a scalp, a kidney plus a pound and a half of flesh is probably reasonable in the eyes of the Jets. This is Schneider & Chytil + 1st '23 as a starter pack. Chytil because they need a young C body back, Schneider is the key piece because he's another unicorn that every team covets, a physical top 4 RHD with size and skill, 1st because young C are difficult and expensive to get and Chytil is unproven.

Having said that

I do believe Drury is very interested (see Eichel, JT Miller), it's the Rangers way.​

PLD has proven to be a bit of a PITA already giving up on CBJ and now the Jets. PLD certainly sent up a public "come and get me" bat signal, again.​

Personally, I'd go with the kid line and let them grow (Perfected Perfection Line incoming ). The question is does management and the coaching team have the balls to do that? Colorado and Tampa did. But NYR are different with different pressure for better and worse. Gallant is not getting younger and his time to win a cup is now. Coaching is a precarious career.

 

[rangers1314]

Ryan Whitney and a mystery candidate. SJ interviewed someone from Europe. Johan Garpenlov?

Haha, Ray Whitney.

 

[bbny]

Absolutely not.

That’s what you took from my post?

You said it made zero sense. I asked you a question that shows that is not the case.

You don’t like Dubois as the target for he-said/she-said reasons. That’s fine. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t make “zero sense”. That’s hyperbole. There’s a laundry list of reasons to the contrary.

 

[RangerBoy]

Why does Anaheim trade a seemingly useful 4th liner on a cheap expiring deal for a worse, longer contract for a player that proved to be far less useful than the player they'd be trading?

Anaheim needs some experience on D. Verbeek was part of the front office which signed Nemeth a few years ago to a two year contract worth $6M. Maybe Verbeek doesn't view it as a bad contract. Does Verbeek want to trade a younger asset or sign a player in free agency? Nemeth has two remaining at a $2.5M cap hit.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

IN
DuBois
Vatrano
Motte
Copp

OUT
Kakko
Nemeth
Chytil

ON
ea nhl 22

OFF
salary cap

 

[bobbop]

Seattle apparently looking to spend big in FA. Let go of any hope you had for Gourde if that’s the case

Interesting tidbit…heard that the Seattle locker room wasn’t a very happy place last year and Hakstol may not have a long rope next year. Ownership very concerned. Roster changes coming this summer.