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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

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RangersFan1994 said:
If the Rangers are willing to help a team that has cap issues and say if they miss on PLD (but I feel he will be a Ranger before training camp) how about Alex Killorn? 4.5 cap hit UFA next summer? Not sure what his value is.



Killorn has always been an underrated player.
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Always liked Killorn but after seeing him these playoffs he looked like the worst forward in the ice for Tampa
 
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NYR Viper said:
Then don’t make the trade at the deadline. Either way it’s a poor use of assets
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The goal of this all is to win the Cup, not to have the cleanest hockey-reference and capfriendly pages. Drury identified areas of need and acquired players who addressed those needs while not surrendering any A+ assets. We can look back now and say "don't make that trade because of asset management" but those are good moves by Drury. He got players who fit and didn't overpay to get them.

He made these moves and it got a team most of the fanbase thinks sucks to within 2 wins of the SCF without overpaying. How are we looking back on that negatively at all?
 
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RangersFan1994 said:
If the Rangers are willing to help a team that has cap issues and say if they miss on PLD (but I feel he will be a Ranger before training camp) how about Alex Killorn? 4.5 cap hit UFA next summer? Not sure what his value is.



Killorn has always been an underrated player.
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Teams need to stop helping Tampa get under the cap. Should be dealing with it like most other teams. Force them to give up assets to get back under the cap or lose someone like Palat.

Also, this is one of the main competitors for the Rangers. No favors. They're running out of picks and they are running out of players worth retaining.
 
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Wonder what the Devils are going to end up doing. Lots of movement pre-draft on very good NHL players like Fiala and J.T Miller etc. If they want to be competitive, they have to pull the trigger soon. Who is left?
 
Glen Sathers Cigar said:
Not really. You can acquire PLD with the plan of keeping him here just for his next contract and then letting him move on when he hits UFA. Not every player acquired needs to be looked at as a long term piece.

The next 3 seasons with Shesty on his current contracts needs to be looked at as a contending window.
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What happens after Shesterkin's contract expires?
 
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JimmyG89 said:
Teams need to stop helping Tampa get under the cap. Should be dealing with it like most other teams. Force them to give up assets to get back under the cap or lose someone like Palat.

Also, this is one of the main competitors for the Rangers. No favors. They're running out of picks and they are running out of players worth retaining.
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It helps us too if we get a good player for nothing because somebody else can't afford him. Not saying it has to be Tampa.

The Avalanche have all of seven forwards under contract for 22-23 and I can't see them winning the Cup again if they don't retain Kadri. They'll be in a bind as well.

RangerBoy said:
What happens after Shesterkin's contract expires?
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You get a new goaltender but nobody wants that conversation.
 
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RangerBoy said:
What happens after Shesterkin's contract expires?
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Decision time on the fate of the next window.

If Trouba is gone summer 2024, there's potentially cap space there.

Doubt they'd just flush the toilet and go rebuild while Adam Fox is in his prime though.
 
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RangerBoy said:
What happens after Shesterkin's contract expires?
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Either we're going to re-sign him or move on to another goalie. Assuming we re-sign him, his AAV will most likely nearly double and we'll have Lafreniere and Miller at least on bigger deals by then as well. Probably will have moved one or more of Kreider/Trouba/Panarin at that point.

I'm just saying that I look at Shesterkin's current contract duration as the window for the current core, the Mika/Kreider/Panarin/Trouba/Goodrow core.

The cap will of course go up by then, with hopefully the cap rising for the 24-25 season, but I think when you have the best goalie in the league on a sweetheart of a deal like he currently is on it's pretty easy to see why it would behoove the front office to try and take advantage of that time frame.

Even taking contracts out of it, these next 3-5 years should be Igor's prime in the NHL so that alone should be reason enough to view this as a contending window. He may not even be re-signed after this current deal, so just look at the next 3 years as your 3 years with the best goalie of the league leading the way on a cheap contract. Take advantage of that time.
 
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Kings got Fiala after a hot season for a first and a prospect. IF (and I hope it's a big if) we seriously go after PLD, we better not overpay.
 
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Giving your goalie $12-13m slams your window shut, puts barbed wire in front of it, electrifies it, and stations a hungry cougar right outside. I don't care who he is.

They did the right thing bridging Shesterkin and they need to do the right thing again by burning that bridge behind them.

Build the team well enough to win with some guy in net like Colorado did.
 
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Machinehead said:
Giving your goalie $12-13m slams your window shut, puts barbed wire in front of it, electrifies it, and stations a hungry cougar right outside. I don't care who he is.

They did the right thing bridging Shesterkin and they need to do the right thing again by burning that bridge behind them.

Build the team well enough to win with some guy in net like Colorado did.
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Shesty will take a discount, trust me. Just don't expect him to take anything less than $9M, which is why well sign him to a $9.2Mx8 ;)

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Machinehead said:
Giving your goalie $12-13m slams your window shut, puts barbed wire in front of it, electrifies it, and stations a hungry cougar right outside. I don't care who he is.

They did the right thing bridging Shesterkin and they need to do the right thing again by burning that bridge behind them.

Build the team well enough to win with some guy in net like Colorado did.
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Yea when we have a powerhouse like their team, we can talk about burning our bridge with our top goalie.
 
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KreiderBomb said:
Should have drafted centers like ive been harping on for years and then we'd have our Strome replacement in house at a cheap cap hit, this is what happens when you ignore a cruicial position. I get it, Lias was supposed to be that guy but when you moved on from him you should draft or trade for a cost controlled center
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I mean who is their biggest miss that should should have drafted at center? Suzuki was the only one that they were realistically in on.

JimmyG89 said:
Teams need to stop helping Tampa get under the cap. Should be dealing with it like most other teams. Force them to give up assets to get back under the cap or lose someone like Palat.

Also, this is one of the main competitors for the Rangers. No favors. They're running out of picks and they are running out of players worth retaining.
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I mean if they want to trade like Cirelli (for example), sure; but I am not “helping” Tampa but taking a guy like Killorn

Thirty One said:
Hard work and determination.
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Is that a Titleist?
 
Machinehead said:
It helps us too if we get a good player for nothing because somebody else can't afford him. Not saying it has to be Tampa.

The Avalanche have all of seven forwards under contract for 22-23 and I can't see them winning the Cup again if they don't retain Kadri. They'll be in a bind as well.


You get a new goaltender but nobody wants that conversation.
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Sure, when they had guys like that on their roster. Right now, outside of their core players, is there someone you'd trade for? Killorn is the only player. While he can play a shutdown role, he's not helping the Rangers. He's a winger.

Unless they are willing to part ways with someone like Cirelli, I don't think there is a single player that would make sense for the Rangers.
 
Machinehead said:
Giving your goalie $12-13m slams your window shut, puts barbed wire in front of it, electrifies it, and stations a hungry cougar right outside. I don't care who he is.

They did the right thing bridging Shesterkin and they need to do the right thing again by burning that bridge behind them.

Build the team well enough to win with some guy in net like Colorado did.
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Without getting into a full on debate about this on a Wednesday, I'll just sort of offer the short quippy statement of "It's easier to build a good team with the best goalie than it is to build the best team in the NHL with an okay goalie"

When you look at how teams use that extra cap space, I'm not convinced that the difference between a 4 million goalie and 10 million goalie is that big. That's this roster minus one of Trouba or Kreider. I'd sooner give up one of them than replace Shesterkin with Kuemper.
 
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