Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

[Thirty One]

See, that I don't get. Why not? MLB has them. NBA has them. Why not the NHL?

They used to before the cap. MLB would sometimes throw in bogus years that could be opted out of to lower their AAV for luxury tax, so that's probably the answer.

 

[Machinehead]

Patiently waiting for Zibanejad's next 3-in-30 so hating him can be the cool thing instead of hating Panarin.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Did I read correctly that the Rangers have an out next July from Panarin’s deal ?

What?

There is no such thing as "an out" in NHL contracts.

We have him until he is bought out, or traded.

 

[Kocur26]

You absolutely did not read that correctly.

He has a No Movement Clause for the duration.

To my knowledge, no NHL contract has ever had a team/player optout.

 

[Fitzy]

The conversation shouldn't be about replacing Panarin- he's here until he wants out.

The conversation should be about building the best roster we can.

Rick Nash had only 3 goals and 10 points in the 25 games the last SCF year. Bread did a heck of a lot better than that, granted the top PP unit doesn't hurt, but he was and is a very important part of that.

 

[Kocur26]

What?

There is no such thing as "an out" in NHL contracts.

We have him until he is bought out, or traded.

Ah I see where he’s going there .

 

[Anthony5967]

Malkin

 

[Machinehead]

The conversation shouldn't be about replacing Panarin- he's here until he wants out.

The conversation should be about building the best roster we can.

Rick Nash had only 3 goals and 10 points in the 25 games the last SCF year. Bread did a heck of a lot better than that, granted the top PP unit doesn't hurt, but he was and is a very important part of that.

Right but people also wanted to get rid of Nash even though he was a volume shooter on a team that needed less volume shooters like Zuccarello needed to be less tall.

Just like Panarin is a skilled player on a team that needs less skill like Fox needs to be less tall.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Malkin

f*** no.

 

[Machinehead]

We lost because in the last 11 periods against Tampa we couldn't score a f***ing goal.

We don't need to purge 100 point players to replace them with guys who go to "areas" and do things and stuff.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Panarin doesn’t score that game 7 OT goal and we probably get eliminated in the first round lol

 

[SA16]

if he is in 2nd round it is a no brainer, but the bs russian factor alone has pushed some guys done near 20 on its own.


funny how they found vatrano then. there are better options to find for a top 6 opportunity than a 36 year old on the downturn.

Yes they went into the season with a huge amount of cap space and basically had infinite space at the deadline. That will not be happening again.

 

[McRanger92]

I think its fair to want more out of Panarin in future playoff runs but its asinine to think he wont or shouldnt be on the Rangers next year. We probably wont make the playoffs if he isnt.

 

[Fitzy]

Right but people also wanted to get rid of Nash even though he was a volume shooter on a team that needed less volume shooters like Zuccarello needed to be less tall.

Just like Panarin is a skilled player on a team that needs less skill like Fox needs to be less tall.

We can debate whether the player is worth his contract, but I agree that Panarin offers a lot of skill to a team, he's the most skilled forward the team has had since Jagr.

I think the real key is going to be finding a way to keep Panarin in an influential role in the lineup without blocking youth development. Even when a team has 3 solid scoring lines, they don't receive similar ice time or attention in certain situations. Newhook Compher and O'Connor was a great third line, but like the kid line these playoffs they were never going to be out there during the biggest situations when the team needed a goal.

So the question for me is- insofar as the Zibanejad line is always going to be #1- do you either try to build Panarin into a line with Lafreniere/Kakko/Chytil, or do you have him run with a makeshift line like Panarin-Goodrow-Kravtsov and then shorten the bench by promoting Panarin to a top 6 line when the game gets late.

Because using Laf-Chytil-Kakko like Newhook-Compher-O'Connor isn't going to be good enough for their development a a certain point.

 

[bleedblue94]

Yes they went into the season with a huge amount of cap space and basically had infinite space at the deadline. That will not be happening again.

vatrano's cap hit was 2.5ish mil

as i said you can find better top 6 options than hornqvist

 

[bhamill]

Shoutout @ramp5 for finding this



"Incredibly inventive player when it comes to how he operates around the net area, down low, if you compare him to say for instance, Vitali Kravtsov. Kravtsov is one of the best puck handlers around the boards in that area that you'll ever see. I know it hasn't translated at the NHL level yet, but believe me when I say in the KHL we've seen ton of examples, and internationally; tons of examples where he can just make defensemen look really foolish, as a result of knowing how to time using the net to pass the puck back to himself around defensemen and pull and create exit routes for himself, create fake contact points, trap door scenarios where he creates an exit route while bypassing defense who are trying to cover him." - Greg Allen of HockeyProspect

He also claims that Slafkovsky studies the great Kravtsov, as I've said many times before Kravtsov is ahead of his time and he may not be appreciated through the lens of a modern day hockey fan. If he doesn't reach my record shattering point projections, it may simply be that he transcends the very concept of statistics. Can you really reduce the performance art, the beauty & grace, the drama surrounding his career similar to that of early post-modernist Soviet playwrites, the Machiavellian way in which he's already plotted his entire career; to a mere stat in the goals & assist column? Maybe one day when stats become advanced enough we'll be able to pin down exactly what made Kravtsov so special. I'm shocked that prospects are already studying Kravtsov as I thought it would take a lot longer, perhaps Slafkovsky has been reading my posts on here about Kravtsov though.

quality content

 

[Raspewtin]

Ah I see where he’s going there .

The out is that as the real dollars go up, the buyout is more managable, if we went that route. The first half of Panarin's contract is all signing bonus, which we get near nothing in savings to buy out.

 

[Fitzy]

Bread has scored at a 110 point clip as a Ranger. Even if he's a unicorn who has blank spells in tight checking hockey, that's still an X-factor a lot of teams would like to have. You can't usually just get a 100+ point player still in their prime in free agency without giving up assets.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Bread has scored at a 110 point clip as a Ranger. Even if he's a unicorn who has blank spells in tight checking hockey, that's still an X-factor a lot of teams would like to have. You can't usually just get a 100+ point player still in their prime in free agency without giving up assets.

People wanting perhaps the greatest offensive player in franchise history gone is the most insane thing I’ve ever seen on this site

 

[rangers1314]

The out is that as the real dollars go up, the buyout is more managable, if we went that route. The first half of Panarin's contract is all signing bonus, which we get near nothing in savings to buy out.

I had forgetting until I checked recently, but his entire contract is in the form of signing bonus.

His base salary for all 7 years is 1M a season.

 

[Raspewtin]

I don't like to draw conclusions from one series but the Zibanejad line got absolutely f***ing fed against Tampa. like, laughed off the ice at ES. Kreider is not a line driver or hustle player anymore and Vatrano tried but was just really ineffective. It would be cool if someone on that line could get in quick and work the boards to get them a little more space.

Also, wonder what about Pajuniemi? The reports on him from Hartford were good. @Ranger Ric had mentioned he was showing his stuff and was physical at times (I thought he was surprisingly physical in the pre-season so glad to hear he kept that going) but played on the 3rd line mostly while all the talent was in the top 6. He at least seems, idk, interesting as a player? Heavy shot and rough to play against sounds cool.

I had forgetting until I checked recently, but his entire contract is in the form of signing bonus.

His base salary for all 7 years is 1M a season.

oh okay - I didn't do my due diligence there

so what's shapiro talking about?

 

[Anthony5967]

We should be celebrating this exciting season and the massive strides the entire roster and organization took. Instead Artemi Panarin being traded is being discussed and Igor Shesterkin’s free agency in three years is a topic of discussion.

 

[Off Sides]

I don't like to draw conclusions from one series but the Zibanejad line got absolutely f***ing fed against Tampa. like, laughed off the ice at ES. Kreider is not a line driver or hustle player anymore and Vatrano tried but was just really ineffective. It would be cool if someone on that line could get in quick and work the boards to get them a little more space.

Also, wonder what about Pajuniemi? The reports on him from Hartford were good. @Ranger Ric had mentioned he was showing his stuff and was physical at times (I thought he was surprisingly physical in the pre-season so glad to hear he kept that going) but played on the 3rd line mostly while all the talent was in the top 6. He at least seems, idk, interesting as a player? Heavy shot and rough to play against sounds cool.


oh okay - I didn't do my due diligence there

so what's shapiro talking about?

I think,

They could maybe, if he waived his clause, trade him, after they paid his signing bonus for that 2024 year, and he'd be owed less in real money than his cap hit.

At least I think that is what he's trying to convey. And if so, it's still not all that attractive to a trade partner because he's still owed 9M in real money over 2 years.

 

[rangers1314]

oh okay - I didn't do my due diligence there

so what's shapiro talking about?

Lol I don't know.

His SB for the 2024-2025 season is 9M. For 25-26, the final year of his deal, is 7M.

The only "out" argument to be made is that after that last bonus payment is made on what I assume would be July 1, 2025, he's only got the 1M base salary left to pay and thus very tradeable. But he still has that NMC.

 

[bleedblue94]

on marek's show today the tampa beat writer mentioned the rangers were in on nick paul at the deadline along with boston. wouldve been interesting how that would have shifted this whole playoff season if paul didnt land in tampa. he was an impact player for them