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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I
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Good Intentions
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No inside info, but I have a gut feeling Chytil is the ‘sell high’ piece that Drury uses for a July trade.
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If they don't see him as a good enough 2C long term I could see this. We are extremely thin at C though
Id rather call Arizona about Cooley. It'd be a short term loss, as he's got a year in college. But I think he'll be the better player than Wright. Also moving to 3 is still cheaper than 2 and a division rival.
Right but any assets we give them are ones we're then going to be playing against 5x a year. The devils will ask for a randsom because its an intra-division rival.
Arizona has less urgency to immediately get better, plus might want to be better positioned for the 23 draft.
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Really appreciate your account of playing sports in your 20s, the detail of your 153-pound frame and decline into your 30s is particularly relevant.
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It's all so tiresome
I can say this, I take a bad short term commitment over a bad long term commitment 100 of 100 times. We give Giroux a 1 year deal and he sucks, big deal. We sign someone else to 5-7 years and they suck, it’s basically threatens the entire era this team is in.
This is another thing I don’t mind being inspired by Tampa in. Look for those cheap vets willing to take 1 year deal. There is no real high priced market for these guys. Perry was never an awful player. I suggested him when he left Anaheim a few times, I mean, he hasn’t been a guy who can carry a line in ages, but he is still an OK player if you have a need for some size on the wing.
You can also have skill all through your lineup. Many players finds way to contribute.
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For me the most important off season improvement is not player based, a bit of natural pruning/adjustment aside. The most critical improvement next season is for the team to play a faster puck movement game from our own end out. That's it. That's the difference between being caught by Tampa's and Pittsburgh's forecheck - and/or getting caught by a trap - and going up the ice the other way like Colorado did even through interference/epic cheating.
I could even live with bringing Strome back at a reasonable cost as long as he is not allowed to play pond hockey footsie with Panarin. Bring back puck hound Panarin and all's good. Our overall talent level is cup caliber as it is. The room seems in good order and spirited. Now it's up to coaching and team growth.
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i would rather take my chance with a top two goalie knowing we will get great - elite goaltending and figure the rest out. how many elite goalies are out there right now? I will take igor happily IF his body holds up
Well I don’t see a deal for a 2C that wouldn’t include him. So makes sense
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Why are we talking about Mercer? That makes no sense for the Devils . If Wright drops to 2 then that’s the possible pick they would give away. But we would need to overpay like hell.
Panarin has to get back to playing real hockey again. I don't care if he scores 60 regular season points next year as long as he is a puck hound in all 3 zones. Panarin used Strome as a prop (to Strome's detriment imo) and we knew, from even the season before this season, that it would not work in the playoffs.
Me neither. I am just guessing, I don’t think Gallant sees Chytil as a top 6 alternative.
He was good in the POs? Like I agree, I like Chytil a lot, always have. But he had what 2 assists in the POs. He skated really hard, he hunted down pucks, he helped being strong on the puck along the board, and he buried many shots in the POs. But there is one thing missing there that kind of is a requirement for being a top 6 center. Where is the playmaking??
Kreider has come around tremendously well. I was far from Kreider’s biggest fan for a long while. Ask me early in his career who I thought had more potential, Kreider or Fast, I honestly wouldn’t have thought that the answer was clear. He just took playing with blinders to a new level. At this level, top offensive players play after a highly sophisticated pattern. Everything they do is meant to achieve advantages on the ice, and they speak the same language, understand what everyone else on the ice is doing. A guy cuts into the ice at the attacking blueline, there are x number of alternatives. If one alternative is picked, there is often a deke to pick another before it. Etc etc etc. Kreider was completely lost. One guy did one thing, Kreider obviously didn’t understand what he was expected to do.
Now Kreider is as smart as they come in his field at least.
Chytil can of course develop a lot over the course of a number of years. My bet is just that Gallant at least doesn’t see that he is there 22/23. But I could be wrong, it’s just my bet.
rangers1314
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Friedman says it could be down to Quinn and Montgomery in Boston.
Imagine that even being a debate?
Imagine that even being a debate?
If they hire Quinn they deserve everything they get.
Does every center have to be a playmaker?
Theres loads of centers who have productive careers without being playmakers and tend to be more shoot first.
He had both laf and kakko on the wings who drove play.
This is exactly the scenario that was talked about last off season by edge and a few others "theres no rule that says you have to have a center whos a playmaker if your wings excel at it"
Anthony5967
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To me the only thing that would concern me going forward with having Chytil as a full-time C is at the dot. However, he has improved in that area. I don’t know, I’m very comfortable riding with the Kid Line as line two next year, I really am.
I’d sign Copp and worry about the cap later
If they just kept Buch they would of never dealt assets for Copp.
If they just kept Buch they would of never dealt assets for Copp.
You must get the puck up ice. To some extent, of course a bit in more broader terms, the center is the guy that ties together the Ds with the forwards.
Does a center have to be a playmaker? A line must have playmaking ability. If you have Johnny Hockey at LW and Kane at RW, you can of course get by with less playmaking ability at center.
You will find a lot more wingers who are like 30+30 players over several years than centers who score as many goals as they have assists. Honestly, I can’t think of many centers ever who were closer to 1:1 between goals and assists ever. There is a reason for that. A line must have a certain amount of play making ability and it’s a lot better to have that at center ice than on the wing. The center is just much harder to take away ice from. You can just play a winger much more closely as a D. Also as a reason for the “centers wins you cups” mantra.
There may not be a rule that the center “must” be the playmaker — but honestly, there are reasons for why history looks like it does.
yea the c depth is what makes it hard to imagine because i could see us going that way. guess it really would depend on how high that sale is.
to me there's some centers out there that if a deal could be made with little other than chytil being added i do it. i just doubt his value has risen to that level for the quality we'd want to return. im against blowing up our prospect pool for 1 player and including him.
one other factor with him is i dont get the impression gallant is a big fan. his defensive game is the biggest reason the kid line never got more time - gallant doesnt trust him and he is really bad in his own zone. talking about the kids up front he definitely seemed to have the least to say with chytil. wasnt extreme and not saying gallant necessarily wants him moved, but i get the impression he wouldnt try to talk drury out of it either.
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