Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I can say this, I take a bad short term commitment over a bad long term commitment 100 of 100 times. We give Giroux a 1 year deal and he sucks, big deal. We sign someone else to 5-7 years and they suck, it’s basically threatens the entire era this team is in.

This is another thing I don’t mind being inspired by Tampa in. Look for those cheap vets willing to take 1 year deal. There is no real high priced market for these guys. Perry was never an awful player. I suggested him when he left Anaheim a few times, I mean, he hasn’t been a guy who can carry a line in ages, but he is still an OK player if you have a need for some size on the wing.

You can also have skill all through your lineup. Many players finds way to contribute.

100% agree with the bolded. That's what concerns me about locking in to Copp for term. I like the player, but the term concerns me.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Igor’s the guy, but it’s an interesting coincidence that Igor & Garand hit free agency at the same time.

I'm not saying this will happen or I wish it, but Drury is not Sather, he's not going to sign Igor only because he sells jerseys and is the incumbent. Let's monitor the progress of Garand.

Very curious if Strome's potential pelvis injury/surgery scares teams off. He's not a great skater as it is. Imagine he comes back to the Rangers for $.75 on his current contract?

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I'm not saying this will happen or I wish it, but Drury is not Sather, he's not going to sign Igor only because he sells jerseys and is the incumbent. Let's monitor the progress of Garand.

Very curious if Strome's potential pelvis injury/surgery scares teams off. He's not a great skater as it is. Imagine he comes back to the Rangers for $.75 on his current contract?

I do not want strome anywhere near this team with Gallant running the show.

If we resign strome its just the same continuous cycle of crap from the panarin strome combo. Gallant caters towards panarin and this can not continue. Nobody is above the Rangers emblem on the front.

Take away Gallants toys in Mckegg Nemeth Strome. We want a center who can play offense and defense and can win faceoffs. Strome does none of the three well

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I do not want strome anywhere near this team with Gallant running the show.

If we resign strome its just the same continuous cycle of crap from the panarin strome combo. Gallant caters towards panarin and this can not continue. Nobody is above the Rangers emblem on the front.

Take away Gallants toys in Mckegg Nemeth Strome. We want a center who can play offense and defense and can win faceoffs. Strome does none of the three well

Need to draft centers. None of this "well we haven't in the past so we can't in the future". There are ways to fix that problem.

 

[bobbop]

Strome’s medical condition will need to be known before free agency begins. That applies to all teams. If he needs/requires surgery, that throws everything up in the air.

 

[Anthony5967]

Maybe I’m wrong, but if Drury wanted Strome back, they easily could’ve and would’ve worked out a fair deal by now. Strome is praying the NYR love him enough to be that team to give him the biggest contract he probably will ever get ($5.5M+). I honestly don’t think someone like Drury is going down that road.

 

[Tob]

Wouldn't Kakko's contract be first in terms of cap flexibility and anti-offer sheet? I don't know the dates of what comes first but if they can more or less agree with Strome, they'd wait until the final minute. Kakko has to be worked out first.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Wouldn't Kakko's contract be first in terms of cap flexibility and anti-offer sheet? I don't know the dates of what comes first but if they can more or less agree with Strome, they'd wait until the final minute. Kakko has to be worked out first.

Kakko's probably in a ballpark. They're going to address the UFAs (center, depth D, backup goalie), probably work on some draft movement, and then get to the RFAs.

I see them trading back to get more picks in this draft.

 

[Lone Ranger]

Strome seems like a good guy, but I don't want him being a part of this team's future. If Drury signs him it will be his worst decision since becoming GM, by far. Strome not only no longer works with Planarian, he will block Laf or Kakko from power play one. No thanks.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Strome has to walk. We just don't have the cap. He's the type of players that's a luxury that we just can't afford. He's not a gamebreaker, he doesn't drive play and his role on PP1 is extremely replaceable. He's a nice player but he's not the type of guy you lock up long term. Panarin will put up points with anyone.

Copp is the guy we need to bring back. I think where he is as a player is perfect for this teams window. You're going to get his best years especially playing with Panarin at a time we're in win-now mode. The fit is simply too good to pass up. If the term sucks, it is what it is. Move him at the deadline in 2 years with retention if you have to but this team is in win-now mode and he's the clear cut guy for literally every reason.

If his ask is too rich, I want Giroux on a 1/2 year deal or Nick Paul. I know Paul's not gonna put up 70 points in the top six and I could not care less because we're building a playoff team and holy shit is that dude difficult to play against in the playoffs. Hard nosed guy with size and a little skill up the middle; we haven't had that since Boyle in his prime and that team wasn't too bad itself.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kravtsov
Panarin-Paul-Othmann
Lafreniere-Chytil-Kakko
Motte-Goodrow-Reaves/whoever when we don't need to punch faces

PP1:

Kreider net front, Zibanejad left wall, Panarin right wall, Laf bumper, Fox on the blueline


And we're set. Big question marks would be Othmann and Kravtsov. I'm not by any means a Kravtsov fan but I thought he was ready last year and that he got snuffed out of a roster spot solely based on his on-ice play. I don't know what or if anything happened behind the scenes with attitude but by all accounts seems to be the case. I can't imagine Drury would've been able to sign him again without a guarantee of him making the team out of camp next year unless he shows up drunk. Everyone knows what Othmann's been doing and yeah there'll be some growing pains defensively for both of them but I think he gets at least a 9 or however many game look to not burn a year off the ELC

 

[2014nyr]

one fallback option id consider at c is cam atkinson - 3 more years at 5.8 so would probably have to pay phi to keep at least 1.5 and more term than ideal for a guy whos production has dropped off lately, but hasnt had much to work with. certainly seems like hes not thrilled to have torts again and the flyers look like theyre going youth so could see him being available pretty cheap. has a history producing w panarin, good buddy of kreider, and a local kid so theres a fit. not option 1a but if we need to use the trade market id prefer him at a reasonable price to say meeting an exorbitant van ask on miller

 

[Ola]

100% agree with the bolded. That's what concerns me about locking in to Copp for term. I like the player, but the term concerns me.

Yeah, it concerns me too a lot. Not in itself — but we seriously have a ton of risky long term commitments already, and none of them are like below market value. Panarin, Ziba, Trouba, Kreider and many others, Goodrow isn’t cheap.

If there is one thing that never keeps surprising you with this league it’s how fast things change. Like at any point in this team’s history, if you look at one season and ask yourself — could I (a) predict we would be here three years ago and (b) predict that the players on this team would perform like they are? And then you (c) apply the same magnitude of changes and surprises both ways in terms of production 3 years ahead.

Doing this with 22’ vs 19’ and projecting how things would look in 25’ wis perhaps extreme, we would have like Bobby Trivigno winning the Hart (Fox), is getting McAvoy and Draisatl (Trouba and Panarin), we will have traded Shesty but picked up a Vezina winner elsewhere etc etc etc. But I have applied this test/thinking over the years — and it’s always absurd how much different things turns out than it’s possible to even speculate on.

If we would bookmark this post and fast forward to 2025, or even 2024, I bet my right arm that things will have turned out very different than it’s possible to predict today. Someone won’t be on the roster that we think are a given today, someone will have outperformed expectations a lot, someone will have done a lot worse.

My point is just, you need flexibility. If we need X today, we must be prepared that we will need Y tomorrow.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I just read Vince’s article and he says literally nothing new about Kakko and Kravstov lol

Guy is becoming the new Larry with his clickbait

 

[RangerBoy]

one fallback option id consider at c is cam atkinson - 3 more years at 5.8 so would probably have to pay phi to keep at least 1.5 and more term than ideal for a guy whos production has dropped off lately, but hasnt had much to work with. certainly seems like hes not thrilled to have torts again and the flyers look like theyre going youth so could see him being available pretty cheap. has a history producing w panarin, good buddy of kreider, and a local kid so theres a fit. not option 1a but if we need to use the trade market id prefer him at a reasonable price to say meeting an exorbitant van ask on miller

First of all, Cam Atkinson is a winger. Second, Atkinson loves Torts. He gave the Flyers a great recommendation in favor of the Flyers hiring Torts.

 

[RangerBoy]

The same reason Bennett would be a good get for the Rangers (team friendly contract) is exactly why he won’t be available.

Florida will need to move money to improve their club. If you look at their cap situation, Bill Zito will need to move money. The Panthers don’t have many young prospects left in their organization. They will need a couple of players on the ELC’s to make all of the pieces fit.

 

[RangerBoy]

It's not going to be real exciting for the Rangers, most likely. Only 4 picks and only 1 in the first 3 rounds.

It’s not a good draft. The Rangers still have their 2nd unless they trade it. John Liley was able to find Knies in the 2nd round last year. Maybe they can get a pick for Georgiev’s rights. Day two of the draft is on July 8. The qualifying offers are due on 7/11.

Igor’s the guy, but it’s an interesting coincidence that Igor & Garand hit free agency at the same time.

Maybe Garand becomes a trade chip.

 

[Good Intentions]

Strome seems like a good guy, but I don't want him being a part of this team's future. If Drury signs him it will be his worst decision since becoming GM, by far. Strome not only no longer works with Planarian, he will block Laf or Kakko from power play one. No thanks.

I don’t mean to single you out at all, as plenty echo it but I am so tired of this sorry “good guy” narrative for Strome. I want him gone, yesterday.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Need to draft centers. None of this "well we haven't in the past so we can't in the future". There are ways to fix that problem.

That was not my point Roo. My point is that i do not want strome on this team even for .50 on the $1. His subtraction to this team will be a net positive for panarin and whoever will be put on his line now.

I never said anything about drafting or not drafting centers.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

one fallback option id consider at c is cam atkinson - 3 more years at 5.8 so would probably have to pay phi to keep at least 1.5 and more term than ideal for a guy whos production has dropped off lately, but hasnt had much to work with. certainly seems like hes not thrilled to have torts again and the flyers look like theyre going youth so could see him being available pretty cheap. has a history producing w panarin, good buddy of kreider, and a local kid so theres a fit. not option 1a but if we need to use the trade market id prefer him at a reasonable price to say meeting an exorbitant van ask on miller

Atkinson is a RW.. Doesnt help the center problem and we need another 6m dollar winger like we need herpes.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

It’s not a good draft. The Rangers still have their 2nd unless they trade it. John Liley was able to find Knies in the 2nd round last year. Maybe they can get a pick for Georgiev’s rights. Day two of the draft is on July 8. The qualifying offers are due on 7/11.


Maybe Garand becomes a trade chip.

I dont know why people are making a big deal out of shesty and Garand needing contracts at the same time, Why do people think Garand is going to command this big contract. He hasnt played in the NHL yet and when he does it will be spot starting for Igor in a backup role. Which means like a 1m aav. People need to calm down about that contract.

 

[LOFIN]

I just read Vince’s article and he says literally nothing new about Kakko and Kravstov lol

Guy is becoming the new Larry with his clickbait

I mean it was nothing groundbreaking, Kakko getting the Chytil deal which makes sense for both sides. I haven't seen if that has already been pointed out by someone else...

 

[rangers1314]

The Rangers really need to talk themselves into giving Fil the chance to run with 2C and focus on mid-lower level FA targets who they feel might have a bounce back season in them and/or can defend to fillout the bottom 6 on short term deals.

Larrson would be a good target. Marcus Johansson? Victor Rask?

One guy who caught my eye as a possible buy-low lotto ticket is Nick Bjugstad. He's had a rough few seasons. Injuries. Reduced ice time in both Pitt and Minnesota.

He came up under GG in Florida and looked very much like a kid who was going to have a legit career in this league. He'll be 30 next month.

 

[Vitto79]

So any chance a team takes Georgiev W Nemeth for nothing ?

I’d like a late pick but depends if Nemeth is really that much negative value

 

[rangers1314]

Florida will need to move money to improve their club. If you look at their cap situation, Bill Zito will need to move money. The Panthers don’t have many young prospects left in their organization. They will need a couple of players on the ELC’s to make all of the pieces fit.

Word this morning that Duclair blew out his achilles during training.

His 3M cap hit could be headed to LTIR for Florida. Sucks for him. He had finally figured it out.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

I dont know why people are making a big deal out of shesty and Garand needing contracts at the same time, Why do people think Garand is going to command this big contract. He hasnt played in the NHL yet and when he does it will be spot starting for Igor in a backup role. Which means like a 1m aav. People need to calm down about that contract.

It took Igor 5.5 years of development before he saw NHL action. Garand was drafted not two years ago. This is, and will be, a non-issue for quite a while.

But, the nature of a discussion board is to find things to talk about, no matter how absurd.