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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

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RangerBoy said:
Dubois is a two year rental. How much is he getting in his next contract? He made $6.65M last season. 2 years. $14M-15M? The Rangers have money for that?

Chytil and Lundkvist to Winnipeg for Dubois. Two years. Bye bye.

The Rangers shed Chytil's $2.3M in the trade.
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Chytil would have to go back imo
Lundkvist is a big get for a team that will let him play

I’d rather sign Copp but if they fail then a trade isn’t crazy
 
IDvsEGO said:
off the top of my head

Stamkos 481g/491a
Matthews 259g/198a
Aho is 182g/219a

All three are high end centers.
They just happen to be good goal scorers and/or play with high end playmakers who give them good set ups.
Which is exactly what we'd like to expect from Kakko and Laf.
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Aho is of course very much a playmaker and not a sniper, despite what the stat sheet says. He gets like 95% of his goals from putting in pucks 9 feets from the net. Matthews is a special talent, but still also really young. But like, are you saying that he isn't a good playmaker? He just happens to be an insane goal scorer on top of being a really good center/play maker.

But I wanted to comment on Stamkos, every time Tampa gets a chance they move him away from center. They have also never won a Cup with Stamkos at center.

Honestly, I just think any notion about that you can get by without a center that is a good playmaker in the top 6 is not at all in touch with the reality of the game today. Where is it coming from? Have you ever heard it from anyone that ever played hockey?

Like sure, you could play with two D's that couldn't the puck. There are many good Ds who aren't good puck movers. Back around 95'-05' you could play with like a pairing of two Girardi's (problem here in NY was that Torts tried it after 05' when the game had changed). But today I would say that its the complete opposite. You need D's that can move the puck and preferably both guys that are out there with the top guys should have a higher level of puck moving ability. Playing without a center that is good at transporting the puck up ice and playmaking you get the exact same problem as you do if you have Ds that can't move the puck.
 
Vitto79 said:
Chytil would have to go back imo
Lundkvist is a big get for a team that will let him play

I’d rather sign Copp but if they fail then a trade isn’t crazy
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Chytil has no spot here if the Rangers bring in a big center. The Rangers should trade Chytil in the trade for the center. Winnipeg doesn't have much on the right side behind Pionk. Lundkivist will play for them next season.

The 23-24 cap becomes very complicated with Dubois.

Uninstaaled said:
I would imagine the Rangers would keep Chytil and move Kakko for PLD.

Something around Kakko and Nils. I don’t love it but them being interested doesn’t surprise me at all.
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Is Chytil a 3rd line center? Ideally. No.
 
RangerBoy said:
Dubois is a two year rental. How much is he getting in his next contract? He made $6.65M last season. 2 years. $14M-15M? The Rangers have money for that?

Chytil and Lundkvist to Winnipeg for Dubois. Two years. Bye bye.

The Rangers shed Chytil's $2.3M in the trade.
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RB, I seriously doubt Drury would trade prime assets for only 2 years. They only get him if he extends past his 2 RFA years, looking at a 7 year deal, or nothing
 
With all of the trades and proposed trades we do with the Rangers, I think it is about time we officially become your farm team.

Our heritage uniform already matches the Rangers.

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Maybe we can rename our franchise Winnipeg Junior Rangers.

Good luck with the Dubois discussions.
 
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If we are trading with Winnipeg, Logan Stanley is the one I would target. They have Heinola on the farm that complements Morrisey and Dillion better. Stanley could be dealt.

He will be dirt cheap for a number of years. Players like him take a long time to develop. His physical presence could be valuable for us down the road. We have Reeves now, who takes over after him? Stanley also has a lot of potential defensively. Gallant really likes a 3rd pair that can PK and clear the crease. Not sure if I really see the upside with that approach, but Stanley fits it for sure.

Gives Schneider a more free role offensively if he plays with Stanley.
 
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LOFIN said:
"By the way, according to information obtained during the final, the New York Rangers would be more than interested in acquiring Pierre-Luc Dubois. Ongoing negotiations with the Jets on the parameters of a transaction. It's not done, but Chris Drury is very interested."
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No clue how they afford his deal and the rest of the roster. Even with dumping Nemeth, you have to pay PLD something. Got 12M with Nemeth. 14.5M without him. He just made 5M per season. He's in line to get a raise. Are you moving Chytil in the deal to get PLD? What else is in that package? You'd be looking for a 3C, but that is probably easier to find.

Nemeth (2.5M), Chytil (2.3M), non-roster assets (2023 1st is likely involved in this). Do they think Chytil's playoff performance wasn't sustainable? PLD was with Panarin when he was with Columbus and were exclusively run as an offensive line (80% offensive zone start%). Really good analytics, but that line was sheltered.

PLD has 2 years left of team control. Is he willing to take a deal beyond that? RFA years and UFA years will cost differently. Is a 2 year, $13M (6.5 AAV) attractive enough? In 2 years time, Kreider and Trouba have modified NTC's instead of NMCs, but only after 7/1, which is where the team would lose control over PLD's rights. Could extend him then and try and move one of Trouba/Kreider at that time in order to retain

You're only adding 1.7M in cap for this season if those two are in the deal. Would need to sign Kakko (rumored 2.3M AAV). Leaves 8M for the rest of the roster. Top 4D are under deals. Schneider (925K) and Jones (925k) round out the 3rd pair. Veteran making under 1M as a 7th. Have to account for Othmann 9 game tryout. Kravtsov at 875K saves them, as long as he can be an effective 3rd liner.

Need for another center. Backup goalie would need to be dirt cheap. See if Lindgren would recruit his brother to be the backup, he was great in the AHL playoffs. All this becomes a cap crunch where the team would be able to carry just enough and be just under the cap. No flexibility at all.
 
I still can't believe Colorado won the cup.

Kadri and Nichuskin were major cogs in their success. Their top guys are all-world and perform and they had strong depth production.

I don't think Colorado wins without Kadri. The team crumbled without him last year.

with that said... get me a Kadri or Ryan O'Reilly. I don't want Strome. Copp could be a poor mans version of that. I'm suspect of PLD. He has massive potential but his attitude is a major concern. Maybe it's a process of growing up? I could see him flourshing under Gallant.

Panarin -Kadri/RO'R/Copp/PLD - Laffy
 
I think this PLD deal could work, even on a long term deal at 8M x 7 years. There is no doubt a roster player gets moved to make it work, and it will result in more movement next offseason.

I wonder if Chytil, Lundkvist, Nemeth, 2023 1st gets it done. If it’s Kakko, I want that to be a 1 for 1 deal. Anything more is too much for my liking.

If we make the move, it’s a certainty that Lindgren, Goodrow, or a revived Kravtsov is the next domino moving out.

This might also mean Vatrano and Motte are goners and we’re going real cheap on our bottom 6 signings.

Kreider - Zibanejad - Lafreniere
Panarin - Dubois - Kakko
Othmann - Goodrow - Kravtsov
Hunt - Rydahl - Blais
Reaves

We can get stronger by filling out the bottom 6 at the deadline.
 
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Guffman said:
With all of the trades and proposed trades we do with the Rangers, I think it is about time we officially become your farm team.

Our heritage uniform already matches the Rangers.

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Maybe we can rename our franchise Winnipeg Junior Rangers.

Good luck with the Dubois discussions.
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Dubois is a two year rental before he goes to Montreal.

QJL said:
I think this PLD deal could work, even on a long term deal at 8M x 7 years. There is no doubt a roster player gets moved to make it work, and it will result in more movement next offseason.

I wonder if Chytil, Lundkvist, Nemeth, 2023 1st gets it done. If it’s Kakko, I want that to be a 1 for 1 deal. Anything more is too much for my liking.

If we make the move, it’s a certainty that Lindgren, Goodrow, or a revived Kravtsov is the next domino moving out.

This might also mean Vatrano and Motte are goners and we’re going real cheap on our bottom 6 signings.

Kreider - Zibanejad - Lafreniere
Panarin - Dubois - Kakko
Othmann - Goodrow - Kravtsov
Hunt - Rydahl - Reaves

We can get stronger by filling out the bottom 6 at the deadline.
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Nemeth has a 8 team NTC. Winnipeg is probably on his list. Drury gave Nemeth a limited NTC. The Nemeth contract is a major L for Drury.
 
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RangerBoy said:
Dubois is a two year rental before he goes to Montreal.


Nemeth has a 8 team NTC. Winnipeg is probably on his list. Drury gave Nemeth a limited NTC. The Nemeth contract is a major L for Drury.
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Crazy how the Rangers were obviously bidding against themselves for Nemeth and everyone knew it would be a terrible idea.
 
Should have drafted centers like ive been harping on for years and then we'd have our Strome replacement in house at a cheap cap hit, this is what happens when you ignore a cruicial position. I get it, Lias was supposed to be that guy but when you moved on from him you should draft or trade for a cost controlled center
 
Bruner4329 said:
So let me get this straight. We just resigned Blais to a $1.5 million contract for this season and you don't include him in any combos? Seriously you should know the roster before you put projected line combos out there. He maybe the wing on line 2 not Othmann.
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Motte-Goodrow-Reaves/whoever when we don't need to punch faces

Reading comprehension is tough

You want to lock Blais in as a top 6 RW after blowing out his knee? There's a very good chance he's not the same player anymore. Those injuries are often career ending at worst and career shortening at best
 
RangerBoy said:
Dubois is a two year rental before he goes to Montreal.


Nemeth has a 8 team NTC. Winnipeg is probably on his list. Drury gave Nemeth a limited NTC. The Nemeth contract is a major L for Drury.
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It's clear he wants to leave Winnipeg, heck Paul Maurice quit on them also!
Like I mentioned a few days ago, lot's can happen in 2 years, Montreal will have lots of C options by then.
One thing is for sure, if we trade him and he doesn't sign long term, Winnipoeg isn't getting many, prime assets
 
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