Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Off-season Part I

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I think,

They could maybe, if he waived his clause, trade him, after they paid his signing bonus for that 2024 year, and he'd be owed less in real money than his cap hit.

At least I think that is what he's trying to convey. And if so, it's still not all that attractive to a trade partner because he's still owed 9M in real money over 2 years.
But he isn't, unless I'm reading it wrong.

2024-2025 he has a 9M SB and a 1M base. In 2025-2026 he has a 7M SB and 1M base. From 2024-2026 that's 18M in real money, yes?

on marek's show today the tampa beat writer mentioned the rangers were in on nick paul at the deadline along with boston. wouldve been interesting how that would have shifted this whole playoff season if paul didnt land in tampa. he was an impact player for them
I was begging for him. GG had him in the worlds last summer and loved him. He played great in that tournament.
 
But he isn't, unless I'm reading it wrong.

2024-2025 he has a 9M SB and a 1M base. In 2025-2026 he has a 7M SB and 1M base. From 2024-2026 that's 18M in real money, yes?
Right, they pay his 9M signing bonus in 2024 which would likely be due on July 2nd (or whatever date the contract year renews) , then trade him when he has the 1M salary left for that year and the 7+1 M for his final year. (9M left total)
 
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What about Claude Giroux as a short term stop gap if he doesnt go back to Florida? Famously good on faceoffs, can play in all situations. Should be very motivated to win a Cup now that hes getting older.

My issue is that the Flyers didnt win anything while he was Captain and while he would be more of a face in the crowd here, he'll always be a Flyer. Brining in over the hill players from division rivals hasnt gone well historically for the NYR.

Just spitballing
 
I should mention, that is my guess as to what shapiro is trying to say, I do not find it to be a realistic idea.
 
I'm about to be shot for this but eff it.

If the Habs take Slaf 1.

Do we call the Devil's about Mercer or Wright?
 
But he isn't, unless I'm reading it wrong.

2024-2025 he has a 9M SB and a 1M base. In 2025-2026 he has a 7M SB and 1M base. From 2024-2026 that's 18M in real money, yes?


I was begging for him. GG had him in the worlds last summer and loved him. He played great in that tournament.
and if you trade him after the 24 sb is due then it is 9mil real dollars with 22+mil in cap hits.

I'm about to be shot for this but eff it.

If the Habs take Slaf 1.

Do we call the Devil's about Mercer or Wright?
if you want to trade them kakko and schneider sure. otherwise they arent making a deal with us. it is pointless.

What about Claude Giroux as a short term stop gap if he doesnt go back to Florida? Famously good on faceoffs, can play in all situations. Should be very motivated to win a Cup now that hes getting older.

My issue is that the Flyers didnt win anything while he was Captain and while he would be more of a face in the crowd here, he'll always be a Flyer. Brining in over the hill players from division rivals hasnt gone well historically for the NYR.

Just spitballing
he didnt want to come here at the deadline. he squashed that. not sure if that would change now although we did have the run we did.
 
and if you trade him after the 24 sb is due then it is 9mil real dollars with 22+mil in cap hits.


if you want to trade them kakko and schneider sure. otherwise they arent making a deal with us. it is pointless.


he didnt want to come here at the deadline. he squashed that. not sure if that would change now although we did have the run we did.
Prolly right but we at least would have to make the call.

Mercer would be perfect.
 
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Playoff micro-stat performances by defensemen. Fox elite at exits and overall, Miller elite at entries.
 
See, that I don't get. Why not? MLB has them. NBA has them. Why not the NHL?
These things have to be collectively bargained between the NHL and NHLPA. Besides, there is already an opt-out mechanism in the CBA. If both sides agree, they can terminate the contract. A player can also retire and forfeit any remaining salary.

If you want a situation whereby teams can opt out of a contract without the player's consent, the NHL would have to give the players significant concessions in return.
 
Prolly right but we at least would have to make the call.

Mercer would be perfect.
unfortunately it isnt happening. you're better to target 3-5 but really we dont have anything of value to trade for a top 5 pick that anyone here would be okay moving, ruslan fedetanko isnt getting the #4 pick anymore.
 
These things have to be collectively bargained between the NHL and NHLPA. Besides, there is already an opt-out mechanism in the CBA. If both sides agree, they can terminate the contract. A player can also retire and forfeit any remaining salary.

If you want a situation whereby teams can opt out of a contract without the player's consent, the NHL would have to give the players significant concessions in return.

Yea they would never agree to it unless they got all the money from the contract still. How some leagues don't have all guaranteed contracts is beyond me.
 
My guess as to what they end up doing,

They extend Copp. Even if it's for more than they want to pay. I think they really like him, and the what would be sunken cost of acquiring him and then letting him walk plays in somewhat there.

Next off-season, if they have to, they trade Lindgren, and/or Goodrow. And even though they probably should not bridge every RFA, they bridge the ones they end up keeping. (I kind of expect them to move one or two)

Next, next off-season, Kreider, Trouba turn to limited no trades.
 
What about Claude Giroux as a short term stop gap if he doesnt go back to Florida? Famously good on faceoffs, can play in all situations. Should be very motivated to win a Cup now that hes getting older.

My issue is that the Flyers didnt win anything while he was Captain and while he would be more of a face in the crowd here, he'll always be a Flyer. Brining in over the hill players from division rivals hasnt gone well historically for the NYR.

Just spitballing

If he doesn’t go back to Flordia I’m guessing Ottawa. He lives there in the off-season and they can pay him more with more term.

Didn’t he also apparently nix NYR as a potential place to be traded to?

I wouldn’t mind the addition but I’m not going to get hopes up for it

I'm about to be shot for this but eff it.

If the Habs take Slaf 1.

Do we call the Devil's about Mercer or Wright?

Id make the call for the hell of it, but can’t see us being willing to give up what they would want
 
so if you have a good team you want to roll the dice that the crappy goalie you have will get hot?

tampa just won two cups with elite goaltending and almost a third. sure you can point to keumper and how bad he was but i think that also shows how close they were to losing bc of him.

most teams in the league have average goalies at best, only a handful of teams have the elite guys so just by numbers and odds the teams with average goaltending will win more often, but is it a coincidences that the two best goalies in the league ended up in the final 4 this year? I dont think so, just like it isnt coincidence that henke dragged some pretty bad teams into legit playoff runs.

If someone is going to point to the ~66% of the league that has average goalies and say "see that group won more cups than the ~10% of the league with elite goalies" then I will say that is a matter of statistical probabilities where you are putting 3-5 teams up against the rest of the league. I will take my chances with the elite goalie any day. I dont want to pay the elite goalie an 8 year deal where half of those years are on a downturn, but for his peak years and even into the end of his prime I am fine paying him.

Aside from that, looking at a kid in junior as the replacement for your mid 20s stud and top two goalie league wide in three years is plain stupid. There is always a transitional period for a young goalie to take over a job, and that wouldnt be happening while igor is here in the last year of his sweetheart contract, so then four years from now you would be signing an old vet to play for a year as the starter while garand is backing up for a year and then the next year transitioning to the starter IF everything goes perfect. So now you've thrown a year or two away in the middle of the run you are hoping to make with this young group of kids in their prime bc you dont want to pay a top three goalie a contract and you went with an anti niemi type as your starter hoping he would get hot and not cost your team a playoff win in the prime years of fox, miller, laf, kakko, and others. "Better luck next year boys, let's hope our new Brayden Holtby has a 900sp next playoffs."

How many teams in a competition window have turned to a young goalie and gotten the desired results with a long playoff win right away? Cam Ward? Matt Murray? I will take my chances with igor so long as there is a balance of aav vs term. no Carey Price contract with full term and peak aav. Igor, you get 8 years the aav comes down. You want the big aav then we are doing 5 years on the deal.
Having the best goalie is great. Fielding a team that’s good enough when you are paying the goalie 12.5% of the cap is exceedingly difficult.

Vasilevskiy was making $3.5M for the first Lightning Cup. They then circumvented the cap and fell short this year to a much better all around team.
 
Brian Burke was on Jeff Marek’s show a couple of hours ago. It does not sound like Pittsburgh will bring back both Letang and Malkin. They made their offers.
 
Brian Burke was on Jeff Marek’s show a couple of hours ago. It does not sound like Pittsburgh will bring back both Letang and Malkin. They made their offers.

I dont want Malkin but I could see us having interest as long as the deal is short term
 
I could see the Ducks being interested in Georgiev if they end up trading Gibson. They don't have much goalie depth there. They could also use some defense depth so maybe we can do a simple give them Georgiev's rights for taking on Nemeth's contract. I wouldn't even mind throwing in a Hajek or Gauthier if they want. The team needs depth bad so I could see them wanting to take a chance on a Gauthier or Hajek and hoping they are late bloomers.
 
Yea they would never agree to it unless they got all the money from the contract still. How some leagues don't have all guaranteed contracts is beyond me.
The only league that doesn't have fully guaranteed contracts is football.
 
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