Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXI - We are in The End Game now.

[SA16]

OK, let me ask this a different way. You bought out Staal, who are your three left D on the NYR regular season roster? If two of them have less then a year of experience, then you are rushing things.

Shattenkirk or DeAngelo can be moved to LD. It doesn't have to be a LHS. We can try and bring back Claesson for very cheap.

Why are we acting like Staal is some high bar to clear? He's one of the worst regular defenseman in the league. There are plenty of guys who can fill in for his spot.

 

[BringBackLibertys]

Unless those guys are ready for NHL minutes?

IF they aren't, it's not hard to sign a guy at league minimum who is better than Staal.

OK, who are your 2 LD READY for a full year in the NHL??

 

[Tawnos]

I want us to either be a good team or have a Maple Leafs in 2016 season where they were "unlucky" in the standings but performed pretty well with what they had. I don't think there's much sense in accumulation anymore, I think this is the year we need to start seeing progression, especially because despite having a great prospect pool, we can still confidently say we don't know what we have with a big handful of our players.

All the Rangers care about is seeing the kids make progress and they believe, understandably IMO, that Staal provides more towards that goal than Shattenkirk or Smith. So, if the choice is between buying out those three players, which is seems to be, Staal is not going to be the one that gets the axe.

 

[NYR Viper]

OK, let me ask this a different way. You bought out Staal, who are your three left D on the NYR regular season roster? If two of them have less then a year of experience, then you are rushing things.

I'd buyout Staal and demote Smith. Sign Claesson for $700k. Let him, Rykov, Lindgren and Hajek battle it out for (2) spots

 

[Tawnos]

There are plenty of ways to gauge how bad he was and he was incredibly terrible last year.

All of the measurable statistics say that he was by far the worst amongst a bad group. Eye test backs those metrics up.

Staal has sucked under 2 different systems and multiple coaches. This isn't a brand new development, hes been bad for years. What should be even more alarming is that his game really tanked during the 2nd half of the season in a system that should be more friendly to him than AV's.

This isn't exactly accurate. The eye test is subjective. What you are saying is that the eye test whose standards are informed by measurable statistics backs that up. But there are other versions of the eye test. It's not one thing.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

OK, who are your 2 LD READY for a full year in the NHL??

They only really need 1.

Lets say they buy out Staal and waive Smith, they'll still have a pool of about 8 guys to choose from.

They can easily flip one of Shattenkirk or DeAngelo (who has stated that he prefers to play on the left side) right now.

So lets say -

Skjei-DeAngelo/Shattenkirk-Hajek/Rykov on the left side

Trouba
DeAngelo/Shattenkirk
Fox

On the right.

This is before PTO's or anything. You can get a better D than Staal on a PTO (and then league minimum) quite easily.

 

[Raspewtin]

OK, let me ask this a different way. You bought out Staal, who are your three left D on the NYR regular season roster? If two of them have less then a year of experience, then you are rushing things.

skjei hajek and smith

that’s a pretty bad definition of rushing things. guess last year we rushed things by having three players with less than a year of experience in the team

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Also Rykov has pretty significant pro experience in a very competitive league.

He isn't some super green 19 year old. He has an NHL ready body

 

[BringBackLibertys]

skjei hajek and smith

that’s a pretty bad definition of rushing things. guess last year we rushed things by having three players with less than a year of experience in the team

Smith is not better then Staal, so listing him is not an answer. He is one of the only vets I could think of that is worse.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Damn it, why did the Rangers have to go ahead and hire an AHL coach everybody thinks was a good choice? The move captured the board's attention for all of two minutes and now everyone is back to the same arguments we've been rehashing since last year...

 

[BringBackLibertys]

Also Rykov has pretty significant pro experience in a very competitive league.

He isn't some super green 19 year old. He has an NHL ready body

Not on NA ice. Bear-gloves had a lot of KHL experience too, it doesn't translate on day one for most of these guys. Different ice size changes everything, gap control, back skating, zone coverage, all of it. It's easier on a forward.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Not on NA ice. Bear-gloves had a lot of KHL experience too, it doesn't translate on day one for most of these guys. Different ice size changes everything, gap control, back skating, zone coverage, all of it. It's easier on a forward.

For sure, but there is no reason for him not to be able to step in and be better than Staal.

Those are adjustments that don’t take that long to make. Plus he’s a better player than bear gloves.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Smith is not better then Staal, so listing him is not an answer. He is one of the only vets I could think of that is worse.

He isn’t?

Show your work.

 

[Raspewtin]

Smith is not better then Staal, so listing him is not an answer. He is one of the only vets I could think of that is worse.

he is much better than staal but let’s concede your point and say he is worse. run rykov who has years and years of experience in pros as the bottom pair. if him or hajek falter it is hilariously easy to find a bottom pair D for cheap.

staal is one of the worst D in the league he’s really not hard to replace

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

When does the second buyout window end? Weds at what time again?

 

[BringBackLibertys]

He isn’t?

Show your work.

I am not an advanced stats guy, so my work is 40+ years of watching this team and the NHL in general. I am sure that is worthless to you though, so we will just agree to disagree here. Seems the coaching staff of the NYR agrees with me though or Marc would have been a 4th line RW last year.

 

[NYR Viper]

Not on NA ice. Bear-gloves had a lot of KHL experience too, it doesn't translate on day one for most of these guys. Different ice size changes everything, gap control, back skating, zone coverage, all of it. It's easier on a forward.

Both Lindgren and Hajek have a full year of North American pro experience.

Adam Fox has 3 years of NCAA experience.

Rykov has 3 years of KHL experience.

These aren't 18 year old kids.

 

[hi]

But no one in those jobs is stupid or idiotic

Lol

 

[Alluckks]

I bought into the hype for Bereglazov

 

[Tawnos]

He isn’t?

Show your work.

My biggest concern with Smith is his discipline, which also plays into the helping with development of kids. Smith took 80% more minor penalties per game last season than Staal. No stats on this, but Staal almost never takes an undisciplined penalty, where Smith takes them often.

That’s one way.

 

[BringBackLibertys]

I bought into the hype for Bereglazov

And I am not trying to be a jerk about it, but not all these guys are going to pan out, heck, we would be lucky for half of them to become what we talk about on here. That is why you develop slow, and rush no one...

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Bereglazov is not Rykov.

Its a cautionary tale, but it would be foolish to assume he can't hack it in the NHL.

 

[Avery16]

DELETE

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

My biggest concern with Smith is his discipline, which also plays into the helping with development of kids. Smith took 80% more minor penalties per game last season than Staal. No stats on this, but Staal almost never takes an undisciplined penalty, where Smith takes them often.

That’s one way.

That’s the only way really.

Staal is literally worse at everything else that takes place on the ice.

 

[Blueshirts777]

They were 6th but could have been much worse, were it not for the looser points. Also look at their record after the TDL. Do you really expect the K boys to replace the production of Hayes and a rejuvenated Zucc as early as next year?

Then factor in one of Krieder or Buch being traded. Sorry, but Panarin + K boys do not equal a Kreider/Buch + Hayes + Zucc.

Yes, it is another year for the kids but look at how young they are. We should certainly expect steps forward but only by viewing them through blue tinted glasses can one reasonably expect for ALL of them to take material steps forward.

Adding Trouba and Panarin was very nice, but that does not compensate for the production of what was lost and will still be lost.

They don't have to trade Kreider or Buch. And yes, the sum of their parts this year should be alot better than last year. While this team is certainly not cup ready, they have the pieces to compete for a playoff spot.