Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXI - We are in The End Game now.

[SA16]

I think that was yesterday. I think they have to be put on waivers the day before for a buy out (players without a NMC)

It is not.

 

[Tawnos]

The caphit doesn't go up further with a Shattenkirk buyout. Next year the caphit would be as if Shattenkirk was still on the roster, but with a 600k discount

In reality, it does go up because you have to account for the salary of his replacement. But that's likely only a few hundred thousand.

 

[Tawnos]

I think that was yesterday. I think they have to be put on waivers the day before for a buy out (players without a NMC)

They do have to be put on waivers, but the way this whole thing works is different than regular waivers. In this case, the buyout is filed first and the waivers are triggered by filing the buyout. Then if the player is claimed, the buyout doesn't go through. The deadline is for when the buyout has to be filed, not when the player clears waivers.

 

[OthmannOut]

Gorton every deadline reminds me of the professional wrestling spots when the wrestler makes it back into the ring just as the ref is about to count to ten.

 

[Doctyl]

If the organization gave Larry the Shattenkirk buyout information to ensure a last minute improved offer for Kreider/Namestikov/Strome, then the buyout candidate is likely actually Shattenkirk.

It doesn’t look like they have. He’s just been pushing a buyout Shattenkirk and deal with the cap penalty next year when we get to it narrative for this past week. It’s all speculation on his part.

 

[Tawnos]

It doesn’t look like they have. He’s just been pushing a buyout Shattenkirk and deal with the cap penalty next year when we get to it narrative for this past week. It’s all speculation on his part.

My guess is the order of preference for Gorton here is:

1.) Trade Kreider AND Namestnikov for an acceptable return.
2.) Buyout Smith. Trade Kreider OR Namestnikov for an acceptable return
3.) Buyout Smith. Trade Namestnikov for whatever
4.) Buyout Shattenkirk

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

I want 1 buyout, and I want it to be Smith

I can live with a Staal buyout because while the penalty next year would not be good, we would be getting rid of the worst player, and clearing space in a position that we are the most flush with prospects.

Shattenkirk makes no sense to me. The guy has the worst buyout penalties of the three, is the best player of the three, and actually has a realistic shot of rebuilding some value over the season.

I don't think its unreasonable for Shatty to regain enough value to trade @ half price at the deadline.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

My guess is the order of preference for Gorton here is:

1.) Trade Kreider AND Namestnikov for an acceptable return.
2.) Buyout Smith. Trade Kreider OR Namestnikov for an acceptable return
3.) Buyout Smith. Trade Namestnikov for whatever
4.) Buyout Shattenkirk

Agreed, although I'd probably amend it to read:

1.) Trade Kreider AND Namestnikov/Strome for an acceptable return.
2.) Buyout Smith. Trade Kreider OR Namestnikov/Strome for an acceptable return
3.) Buyout Smith. Trade Namestnikov/Strome for whatever
4.) Buyout Shattenkirk

 

[Tawnos]

Agreed, although I'd probably amend it to read:

1.) Trade Kreider AND Namestnikov/Strome for an acceptable return.
2.) Buyout Smith. Trade Kreider OR Namestnikov/Strome for an acceptable return
3.) Buyout Smith. Trade Namestnikov/Strome for whatever
4.) Buyout Shattenkirk

I don't personally believe Strome is being shopped, but I could be wrong.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

There is the possibility that Gorton believes there are teams willing to take Shattenkirk but also feels they are waiting for the buyout to sign him. It's a dangerous game but he would have to have back up deals for others to be cap compiant

 

[nyr2k2]

I would think they would like to keep Strome given the dearth of proven center options, and if he lucks his way into another year like last year, he would have real value at the deadline (or they could even extend him).

 

[mas0764]

The caphit doesn't go up further with a Shattenkirk buyout. Next year the caphit would be as if Shattenkirk was still on the roster, but with a 600k discount

Yeah, you could basically replace Shattenkirk with an ELC and break even.

 

[will1066]

Let this be the day.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I don't personally believe Strome is being shopped, but I could be wrong.

I realize there isn't a lot of love for Strome but I'm willing to give him another year to show what he has, to let him go at this point to me is poor asset management, what would you get? A 3rd? Maybe he has finally figured it out, much like Zibanajad did late, though I believe his problems were Ottawa related maybe Stromes were Edmonton and Islander related. He looked a lot better when he was given better players to play with late.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I don't personally believe Strome is being shopped, but I could be wrong.

Hmm. Well, I don't know about being shopped per se, but I'm thinking in terms of what he'd be prefer to do to get cap compliant.

I get that Strome is a nice reclamation project, and they may see more upside with him than they do with Namestnikov, but I actually think Namestnikov fits better on this team due to his ability to play LW and his usefulness on the PK – unless we're already conceding that Strome is going to be one of the top 9 centers?

 

[Tawnos]

I would think they would like to keep Strome given the dearth of proven center options, and if he lucks his way into another year like last year, he would have real value at the deadline (or they could even extend him).

Exactly. Also, I don't think the offers for Strome at this moment would be any better than the offers for Namestnikov and, those things being equal, Namestnikov would be the one to go.

 

[Tawnos]

Hmm. Well, I don't know about being shopped per se, but I'm thinking in terms of what he'd be prefer to do to get cap compliant.

I get that Strome is a nice reclamation project, and they may see more upside with him than they do with Namestnikov, but I actually think Namestnikov fits better on this team due to his ability to play LW and his usefulness on the PK – unless we're conceding that Strome is going to be one of the top 9 centers?

It's more about the need to make sure there are NHL centers on the team. Trade Strome and you potentially only have 3.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

It's more about the need to make sure there are centers on the team.

Right, but Vlad can also play center.

 

[Tawnos]

Right, but Vlad can also play center.

Not really

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I probably would have bought out Strome during the first buyout period

But I think the organization is pretty high on him. If he’s willing to re-sign for a fair price, I could see him staying beyond this year

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Not really

Well, now, I thought we all agreed that this year is still about rebuilding.

 

[Tawnos]

Well, now, I thought we all agreed that this year is still about rebuilding.

We do, but we're discussing Strome vs Namestnikov. The offers aren't going to be different for those two players. When the potential returns aren't different, it comes down to which player would have more utility to the team. That player is the one you keep and that player here is Strome because he's legitimately a center and not someone who can just play center when necessary.

 

[Kovalev27]

Gorton every deadline reminds me of the professional wrestling spots when the wrestler makes it back into the ring just as the ref is about to count to ten.

Spot on lol

 

[Trxjw]

Stands to reason that the Rangers would prefer to keep the guy who got better as a Ranger as opposed to the guy who never really found a consistent role. I'd be surprised to see Strome go before Namestnikov.

A Shattenkirk buyout gets them closer to the number they need to get to. It won't be popular with some people but it gives the Rangers more breathing room to work out a Kreider or Namestnikov trade.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

We do, but we're discussing Strome vs Namestnikov. The offers aren't going to be different for those two players. When the potential returns aren't different, it comes down to which player would have more utility to the team. That player is the one you keep and that player here is Strome because he's legitimately a center and not someone who can just play center when necessary.

And this is where we disagree. I think a competent LW and PKer, who can also play C, is a better fit on this team than a C/RW who doesn't PK.

Though I will grant you, we have heard a lot more of Namestnikov's name (including from @bobbop and @Edge among others) than we have of Strome's, so perhaps you're right. We shall soon see!