Speculation: Roster Building Thread LVIII: At part 58, I am out of titles.
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but is that by design or need? riding the top line on a 1 line team isn't the same as riding the top line on a team with depth
SA16
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Why would you want to play Nathan Mackinnon or Gabriel Landeskog less so you can give more ice time to JT Compher and Colin Wilson? It is not exactly like they wore down in the playoffs they were great in the playoffs.
well yeah given their current team it makes total sense to ride that line...but if you gave them a better 2nd line I don't know that they would still play the top line that much. its more the result of them being so much better than the rest of the team
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Does he do that because of a lack of depth though? With better depth, would he balance it more? I'd have to think he would, though obviously the top line would still get the lion's share.
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It's still a sub optimal situation.
Even if you were to ride them for 30 minutes in a 60 minute game, you're still running out sub par talent for half the game.
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The issue with no depth becomes, what if Mackinnon gets hurt? Or isn't 100%? Specifically in the playoffs. You need depth scoring as you may be able to get through a few games or weeks with a sub-optimal performance from one of your top performers. It also allows for better match-ups in general. Say they play St Louis in the playoffs next year and they want to try to get either Mackinnon or Rantanen away from Parayko. Well right now, one of those guys would be playing with Kadri and whoever doesn't move up of Donskoi or Burakovsky. It's not all about playing those top guy less.
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This is a joke right? You're trolling us?
Fast can't hold Chytil, Kravtsov or Kakkos Jock strap. In no way is he fast enough or skilled enough to be on any line but the 4th and kill penalties with the team we currently have. Rangers were, I can't. You're winning if I type anymore. I just got to work.....I apologize for falling into this trap everyone. I hope you'll have a good day. fml
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I'm still not sure why the Rangers need to keep Fast in lieu of just promoting someone like Meskanen or Lettieri for this year. If they are so cap crunched, saving the $1m on Fast would help and I'm sure there will be teams who see him as a valuable depth piece
I posted this in the Kravtsov thread by accident...
I really think Kakko is going to be the 2C. Maybe not to start the year but by January he will have the 2C position locked down.
Then your Center depth looks much better:
Kravtsov - Zib - Strome/Chytil
Panarin - Kakko - Chytil/Strome
Lias - Howden - Lemieux
McKegg - Nieves - Fast
I really think Kakko is going to be the 2C. Maybe not to start the year but by January he will have the 2C position locked down.
Then your Center depth looks much better:
Kravtsov - Zib - Strome/Chytil
Panarin - Kakko - Chytil/Strome
Lias - Howden - Lemieux
McKegg - Nieves - Fast
Because he's a much better player than the two guys you mentioned?
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I don't think the savings would be enough to alter any other moves we may have planned. Maybe it makes sense if we can't clear enough by trading other players, but more likely, it would just be extra cap space.
Beyond that, I think you have to acknowledge the value Fast brings beyond the points. A guy like Meskanen or Lettieri isn't going to be as defensively responsible or as good on the PK. I don't see us trading him. If we can't clear enough space through other trades, then we'll use buyouts.
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But the team isn't really competing this year so why not develop one of those other two guys and save the cap hit?
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It's not that I dislike Fast, I like him, but is there anyone here who wants to re-sign Fast for say, 4 years @ $2.5-3m? I would assume that's about what he gets, maybe a bit more. If that's the case, why not move on, gain an asset and use this transition year developing another player for that role.
I don't think those two are the same type of player as Fast though. You'd be asking them to develop into something they aren't. Why rush to move Fast? He can always go at the deadline but for right now he's good at what he does, his contract isn't prohibitive and he can play up and down the lineup. Which is good considering all the peaks and valleys this team is going to have with so many young forwards. But if his contract is really going to cause them headaches this season that's a major concern.
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Possibly, but if he is out for 3 weeks during the season, would they prefer to go .500 or .200 winning percentage. That difference could mean a playoff spot.
It's really not as simple as you are claiming it is. There's a reason why depth is crucial
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It happened just last year and was wildly successful. Maybe you don't remember?
Mika Kreider & Fast dominated every time they were on the ice.
Chytil, Kravtsov, and Kakko are better than Fast, which is why being able to spread that kind of talent around the lineup is valuable.
It worked less than 12 month ago. I'd say there is a pretty good chance it can work again. You can disagree as to where he should play, but to suggest that Fast can't play above the 4th line is demonstrably false.
The only thing I’m reading here lately that makes any sense is kaprisov for Buchnevich IF you want to keep Kreider and personally with the way we’ve constructed our top 6 I do. But back to the above We take no money in this season and get the higher upside young player for Buchy.
The gusev talk is silly. It’s shiny toy syndrome. He’s a redundant player to what we already have in the top 6. He Doesn’t fit cap wise at all. If we had missed on panarin sure. The islanders actually if they were smart would be all over this guy.
But he’s not a fit for us. Neither are brassard or Boyle when we already have too many veterans here that we’re still trying to move.
I’m amazed guys want to bring in washed up old centers instead of watching the kids we actually drafted as centers get a shot at it. These aren’t 18 year old rookies anymore. Chytil Howden Andersson while young do have some experience now. They’ve been thru it. They’re first round picks. 20 year old top prospects come into the league now and contribute. Let them do it.
The gusev talk is silly. It’s shiny toy syndrome. He’s a redundant player to what we already have in the top 6. He Doesn’t fit cap wise at all. If we had missed on panarin sure. The islanders actually if they were smart would be all over this guy.
But he’s not a fit for us. Neither are brassard or Boyle when we already have too many veterans here that we’re still trying to move.
I’m amazed guys want to bring in washed up old centers instead of watching the kids we actually drafted as centers get a shot at it. These aren’t 18 year old rookies anymore. Chytil Howden Andersson while young do have some experience now. They’ve been thru it. They’re first round picks. 20 year old top prospects come into the league now and contribute. Let them do it.
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Fast is gone after this year. Useful player, but relatively easy to replace at a lower cost than what he will likely demand.
might be a good depth pickup for a contender at the deadline that doesn't want to pay top dollar for a rental
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Depends. I'd argue it's better to play the MacKinnon line 30 minutes and sub par talent for 30 minutes than it would be to play the MacKinnon line 25 minutes and shift the extra ice time to lesser lines - even a quality 2nd line.
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