Speculation: Roster Building Thread LIX: To trade or not to trade CK?

[NYR Viper]

So now a couple of beat writers claim Buchnevich might be on the trade block. Hmmm sounds like Deja Vu to me...

Where do you see this?

 

[Tawnos]

Names and Strome are both stopgaps here. Neither should be retained long term.

We need to move one of them for cap for sure, and it should be Names just because he frees up more. As for the future, if they're here... I think it really depends on if they settle into a solid role on the team. One that's not above their heads. We'll see if that happens.

 

[NYR Viper]

Eh... if Strome shot at his career average, he still paces out to 30+ points over 82 games, which is really the threshold for 3rd liners in my mind.

I don't think anyone is advocating him as a good option for 2C... just as a potential placeholder.

He's a solid yet unspectacular utility type of player

 

[I Eat Crow]

Namestnikov and Fast are the only trade chips left. Both will get a low 2nd or 3rd and 4th round picks at the deadline. Namestnikov should be dealt before the season starts, but if Kreider is dealt and Smith is bought out, there's the cap space for Buchnevich, DeAngelo and Lemieux.

Who's saying Buchnevich is on the block, @BBKers? I don't see how trading him makes sense unless the Rangers get a player on an ELC or draft picks back for him. Bridge him and reassess his value again after two years; he'll still be RFA.

Kreider to Florida makes a lot of sense. They have lots of enticing forward prospects. Will they try to extend him? Colorado makes sense too but not as much enticing prospects up front.

 

[GordonGecko]

The Dom guy at The Athletic ran his numbers and there is less than a 50% chance Panarin will be a positive/productive player throughout the 7 year term of the contract.

Except that "Expected Value" doesn't take into account actual cap numbers which will go up substantially in 2 years with a new TV deal. Anything near 50% is market value, even at 46% there is no problem, the big picture is you need elite talent to win a cup

 

[SA16]

Except that "Expected Value" doesn't take into account actual cap numbers which will go up substantially in 2 years with a new TV deal. Anything near 50% is market value, even at 46% there is no problem, the big picture is you need elite talent to win a cup

I'm pretty sure it does actually.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Eh... if Strome shot at his career average, he still paces out to 30+ points over 82 games, which is really the threshold for 3rd liners in my mind.

I don't think anyone is advocating him as a good option for 2C... just as a potential placeholder.

For sure. I'd be pretty upset if Strome was still this team's 2C after this coming season. I think Gorton realizes that 2C and bottom six depth are the team's greatest weaknesses right now. He's should make a deal next summer or deadline 2021 for a 2C using a defensive prospect(s) as bait if Howden, Chytil, or Andersson don't grab the brass ring.

 

[Tawnos]

He's a solid yet unspectacular utility type of player

Exactly.

 

[Tawnos]

For sure. I'd be pretty upset if Strome was still this team's 2C after this coming season. I think Gorton realizes that 2C and bottom six depth are the team's greatest weaknesses right now. He's should make a deal next summer or deadline 2021 for a 2C using a defensive prospect(s) as bait if Howden, Chytil, or Andersson don't grab the brass ring.

Right... the key is going forward. He won't be a good at being the 2C, but it hardly matters for this season. It's still a transitional year, so our record fundamentally doesn't matter.

 

[SA16]

Strome's season isn't just getting romanticized, it's a straight up fairy tale now.

He's a terrible player that shot 20%+ and just happens to be able to play center.

Here is why people like Strome:

A. He shot 20%.

B. He's not Spooner.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm not against trading Buchnevich, but the return must be worth it.

And honestly, if the decision from Gorton is to trade Buchnevich now and trade Namestnikov and Kreider at the deadline to maximize their value that's fine with me. People want the 2020 draft to be the exclamation point to the rebuild and moving those (3) guys (along with any combination of Staal, Shattenkirk, Fast, Strome) should give Gorton and company a ton of draft capital next year

 

[Tawnos]

Here is why people like Strome:

A. He shot 20%.

B. He's not Spooner.

Nope.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

So now a couple of beat writers claim Buchnevich might be on the trade block. Hmmm sounds like Deja Vu to me...

Where did you read this?

 

[Kovalev27]

If Buch is dealt its because the Rangers want to keep Kreider and what he brings despite his age.

Very much starting to feel like it’s one or the other.

 

[BBKers]

Namestnikov and Fast are the only trade chips left. Both will get a low 2nd or 3rd and 4th round picks at the deadline. Namestnikov should be dealt before the season starts, but if Kreider is dealt and Smith is bought out, there's the cap space for Buchnevich, DeAngelo and Lemieux.

Who's saying Buchnevich is on the block, @BBKers? I don't see how trading him makes sense unless the Rangers get a player on an ELC or draft picks back for him. Bridge him and reassess his value again after two years; he'll still be RFA.

Kreider to Florida makes a lot of sense. They have lots of enticing forward prospects. Will they try to extend him? Colorado makes sense too but not as much enticing prospects up front.

This Brett Cyrgalis fellow insinuated this in the NYP on July 9. David Staples brings it up today in an article by Forever Blues-hits (not misspelled, just wrongly abbreviated). You are right on the eventual return - we will see where this goes.

 

[RGY]

I'm more concerned with their next contracts than their current ones. Strome is a RFA. Namestnikov is a UFA. Just based on that alone Strome should cost less to keep so he seems like the likely candidate to stick around for a bit.

Also a great point.

@Kaapo Cabana i agree Strome likely will regress on his shooting % but we don’t need him to be the guy here. Even if he regresses to say 10-12% he will still hold more value than Namestnikov imo.

Shooting % also needs to be evaluated further, whether it is one season or career. Who was feeding the puck to Names in TB? Was he being fed the puck in higher scoring chance areas? What were his minutes like over the years there? Were they less and he capitalized on the few opportunities he had the puck? Is that an outlier? Is that the norm?

He certainly hasn’t been as effective here with less talent and depth around him as he had in TB.

Meanwhile Strome’s game seem to elevate and almost looked a bit rejuvenated once he came to NY.

At the end of the day these are two guys who are 2nd/3rd line players and it comes down to the needs and value moving forward. We need more capable centers for flexibility and Strome is an RFA so we have a better chance of keeping him at a cheaper price/cost for another year or so.

Edit: also as @Kupo states these are not longterm pieces, but simply stopgaps. We need the extra $900k in space.

And if we did QO Strome next year at $3.2, for 30-35 points with what salaries are going for, that is not a bad price for one more year

 

[GAGLine]

This Brett Cyrgalis fellow insinuated this in the NYP on July 9. David Staples brings it up today in an article by Forever Blues-hits (not misspelled, just wrongly abbreviated). You are right on the eventual return - we will see where this goes.

The guy who wrote that article is a little confused, I think.

Here’s the problem in the whole argument, the remaining cap space problem the Rangers have of just under $8M*, isn’t because of Buchnevich. He is unsigned, and thus not counted against the cap. The Rangers don’t solve anything by trading him and taking on a contract with a potential cap hit or for RFA, Puljujarvi which puts them in the same boat with a less productive player.

Yeah, Buchnevich is unsigned. The reason we need cap space is so we can re-sign him. Trading him and his potential 3.5 mil cap hit for a guy making 1 mil or less would absolutely help with our cap crunch. I wouldn't do it for Puljujarvi. I'd want a better, cheap player in return. But it is absolutely an option to get us the cap space we need.

 

[CasusBelli]

Where did you read this?

Pavel Buchnevich of the New York Rangers on the block. Should the Edmonton Oilers bite?

 

[Lion Hound]

That's a ridiculous statement

Why is it so rediculous?

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

The guy who wrote that article is a little confused, I think.



Yeah, Buchnevich is unsigned. The reason we need cap space is so we can re-sign him. Trading him and his potential 3.5 mil cap hit for a guy making 1 mil or less would absolutely help with our cap crunch. I wouldn't do it for Puljujarvi. I'd want a better, cheap player in return. But it is absolutely an option to get us the cap space we need.

what if Pulju came with a 2nd?

I still don't think it would be enough, but I'd think about it

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

what if Pulju came with a 2nd?

I still don't think it would be enough, but I'd think about it

Not enough.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

losing Kreider is really going to suck. Not only is he one of our best players but he's my choice to take the C going forward. With him gone I can see us going captainless for at least another year or 2, don't really see anyone on this roster as captain material besides Staal but he sucks too much and probably will be gone once his contract is up.

 

[NYR Viper]

For Buchnevich, you'd be looking for a very good young prospect and a 1st. Probably with that 2020 1st being protected somehow (like top-10). So for example:

Kaut + COL 1st '20 (top-10 protected, to become unprotected 2021 1st)

Something like that.

I'm not interested in Puljujaarvi as a man piece back for Buch.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Namestnikov would disappear for weeks. Just an irrelevant player at times.

Strome seems to be the more competent center when called upon. He is 1-2 years younger and no one is “romanticizing” anything, he was indeed better than Namestnikov.

I would rather see if the younger Strome can build off that play as opposed to seeing if Namestnikov can be more consistent in the reduced role he has compared to leeching off of the star players on Tampa and having success.

And as I said in an earlier post, I do believe Namestnikov bring different things to the table which is why he has value still, however, all of those things are replaceable and I think you can absolutely find someone much cheaper to do it.

Strome also has some toughness. Not that Names is soft, he likes to mix it up, but with Strome, Lemieux, DeAngelo and Buchnevich we got a bunch of guys who arent big but like to scrap. No more AV team of pansies.

 

[Thirty One]

Brooks and Carp both alluded to Buch being shopped in May. It's been out there for a bit.