Speculation: Roster Building Thread LIX: To trade or not to trade CK?

[Machinehead]

Here is why people like Strome:

A. He shot 20%.

B. He's not Spooner.

That second one is important tbh.

 

[Thirty One]

I feel like creating 10 logins just to like this 10x.

That would be a violation of the forum rules.

 

[Avery16]

I agree. I doubt anyone holds Gorton over a barrel.

Maybe JD pushed for Panarin, and it was a calculated hit. But we are paying for it now, and will continue for our next few moves.

 

[Tawnos]

the Rangers haven't traded someone like Buch in a long time unless my memory is failing me. this is kinda uncharted territory.

Dubinsky and Anisimov in 2012 is really the last time we moved mid 20s 2nd liners in a trade.

 

[SA16]

That second one is important tbh.

If my two options are Spooner as a healthy scratch or Strome as the 2C I would rather have Spooner on the roster.

 

[Machinehead]

If my two options are Spooner as a healthy scratch or Strome as the 2C I would rather have Spooner on the roster.

Oh, absolutely.

Atrocious player who everyone knows is atrocious > bad player who eats minutes.

Every time.

 

[NYR Viper]

Dubinsky and Anisimov in 2012 is really the last time we moved mid 20s 2nd liners in a trade.

Stepan or JT Miller?

 

[pld459666]

Why is it so rediculous?

Because you are setting yourself up for failure.

He wasn't brought here to score 30+ goals.

He was brought here to do exactly what he has done.

If you are expecting more and he doesn't deliver, you failed at setting your expectations properly.

 

[Tawnos]

Stepan or JT Miller?

Stepan was UFA aged. I didn't really include Miller because he wasn't the centerpiece of that deal, where the Dubinsky/Anisimov combo was.

 

[Edge]

From a production standpoint, the stat line expectation would 25-30 goals, and 80-90 points for Panarin --- generally speaking.

 

[Edge]

Anyone who follows this thread knows that Buchnevich has been available since May (from several sources) and was almost traded at the draft.

The Rangers are likely looking at Kaapo, Kravtsov and Panarin as being three of their top four wingers moving forward. If Kreider is traded, Pavel has a clear shot at being the fourth. If Kreider stays, it’s his job. Simple math

Yeah I kind of laughed at the TSN/Post article acting like it was a recent development.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Maybe JD pushed for Panarin, and it was a calculated hit. But we are paying for it now, and will continue for our next few moves.

Panarin > Both of Kreider and Buch

 

[Avery16]

Panarin > Both of Kreider and Buch

It’s not about that, but ok.

 

[Trxjw]

I do have to wonder if the addition of Panarin makes the Rangers more open to moving Kreider and Buch as opposed to one or another. They backed themselves into a cap crunch so something has to give.

 

[Ghost of jas]

If we trade Buch, who will be around to do Russian things with Panarin?

Kreider, obviously.

 

[Tawnos]

Oh, absolutely.

Atrocious player who everyone knows is atrocious > bad player who eats minutes.

Every time.

I think it really depends on the context. The bad player who eats minutes serves a purpose on our roster... namely to give the young players a cushion so their development isn't hurt by being forced into positions they're not ready to handle. The atrocious player who is going to be a healthy scratch just takes up cap that we need elsewhere.

Obviously, if wins are the immediate goal, this is a different story.

 

[BBKers]

If Buchnevich is dealt - look for (decent) pieces coming back not adding to this years cap. If that materializes - Kreider likely stays until the TDL, Smith is bought out, Trouba signs at $7,5 M and Lemmy/ADA sign show me one year deals.

 

[Edge]

If Buchnevich is dealt - look for (decent) pieces coming back not adding to this years cap. If that materializes - Kreider likely stays until the TDL, Smith is bought out, Trouba signs at 7,5 and Lemmy/ADA sign show me one year deals.

At this stage, I think Buch/Kreider continues to be either/or. Though I am still not getting the vibe that Kreider is really seen as a long term piece they're actively taking into account while planning.

 

[cwede]

So does lack of signing announcements mean none of NYR RFAs accepted QOs before expiring yesterday?

 

[Tawnos]

At this stage, I think Buch/Kreider continues to be either/or. Though I am still not getting the vibe that Kreider is really seen as a long term piece they've actively taking into account while planning.

I think they'd be perfectly happy to keep Kreider until the deadline, even if he isn't in their long plans. This has no basis, but I also think they'd be willing to sacrifice other pieces that could have been long-term (Buchnevich) to do it. Kreider might not be the most consistent player in the world, but he does know how to impose his physical will on the ice. That's a good thing to have around for kids to see. Particularly Kakko.

 

[Machinehead]

I think it really depends on the context. The bad player who eats minutes serves a purpose on our roster... namely to give the young players a cushion so their development isn't hurt by being forced into positions they're not ready to handle. The atrocious player who is going to be a healthy scratch just takes up cap that we need elsewhere.

Obviously, if wins are the immediate goal, this is a different story.

Somehow, I doubt the consensus on Strome would be different if we were contending.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Buch is more expendable than Kreider is with the amount of finesse players we already have. Plus, we can should be able to get a nice return for Buchnevich. Sucks because he can score and we may very well be letting him go.

Buch is about 5 years younger and is averaging .56PPG versus Kreider's .58PPG. Buch fits our timeline a lot better. He'll cost a lot less than CK as well. For me it's a no-brainer between CK and Buch.

 

[Leetch3]

has there been a single person claiming that strome is good? its laughable all the claims that everyone thinks he's good when he's not when literally no one is saying he is good.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm not sure I believe Gorton sees either Buch or Kreider as long-term pieces.

 

[Tawnos]

Somehow, I doubt the consensus on Strome would be different if we were contending.

Strome wouldn’t be potentially on our 2nd line if we were contending.