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Speculation: Roster Building Thread LIX: To trade or not to trade CK?

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Panarin Zibanejad Kakko
Kreider Chytil Kravtsov
Lemieux Howden Fast/Strome
Smith Andersson Strome/Fast
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Going to be one of Kreider or Buchy staying imo.

Namestnikov has to go. As does shattenkirk. Those are givens for me.

Fox signed to be here and play in the nhl he can’t be here if shattenkirk is here. There’s no way around that.

I think whatever line Kreider is on usually is driving the offensive play. He’s a beast he’s a perfect guy to put Next to Chytil and Kravtsov. He’s the perfect guy to get the most out of the power play with how good he is in front of the net. Lot of value there. I think gorts was open to dealing him if he got a monster return. Without one he’s not going to do it. He’ll either resign him or blow him out at the deadline for a first plus.
 
NYR Viper said:
For Buchnevich, you'd be looking for a very good young prospect and a 1st. Probably with that 2020 1st being protected somehow (like top-10). So for example:

Kaut + COL 1st '20 (top-10 protected, to become unprotected 2021 1st)

Something like that.

I'm not interested in Puljujaarvi as a man piece back for Buch.
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I would take Pulju and an unprotected 1st.

I don't think Edmonton does that though
 
Tawnos said:
And pretty sure that Buchnevich was the centerpiece coming from the Rangers going to Edmonton for 8OA at the draft
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Yeah they may try to use the cap as cover if they're trying to max returns, but if they're going to trade him it's definitely more about their concerns with his game long term than anything. Which would make sense considering rumors have come up periodically over the past year or so.

Sure the cap plays into it. But he's not a cap casualty.
 
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If Buch is traded, I can't see the return being that high...I remember Talbot (1st), McQuaid (3rd), Vesey (low 1st/high 2nd), Buch (1st and prospect), and Hagelin (1st and prospect) being overvalued on these boards. I don't see the 1st and prospect scenario.
 
A mid 1st rounder + a very good prospect with no NHL experience is the going rate for a young top-6 winger who is cost controlled long term. A team like Colorado would make a lot of sense with the way they are building
 
Miz said:
If Buch is traded, I can't see the return being that high...I remember Talbot (1st), McQuaid (3rd), Vesey (low 1st/high 2nd), Buch (1st and prospect), and Hagelin (1st and prospect) being overvalued on these boards. I don't see the 1st and prospect scenario.
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Agreed. I also think people are underrating the impact that the cap situation will have on returns. Teams know the NYR need to make a deal and will be bargain shopping. Sure there is always the possibility of a bidding war but would think there would be smoke to that effect. Its dead quiet.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
Agreed. I also think people are underrating the impact that the cap situation will have on returns. Teams know the NYR need to make a deal and will be bargain shopping. Sure there is always the possibility of a bidding war but would think there would be smoke to that effect. Its dead quiet.
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While I agree that the cap situation will affect returns, I don't think it will apply to Buchnevich. We have other ways to clear that space and we aren't actively shopping him. The only way he gets moved is if the other team pays Gorton's price.
 
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Tawnos said:
Eh... if Strome shot at his career average, he still paces out to 30+ points over 82 games, which is really the threshold for 3rd liners in my mind.

I don't think anyone is advocating him as a good option for 2C... just as a potential placeholder.
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He didn't do it in 3rd line deployment though, but with top-6 minutes and 1:20 PPTOI/GP. A 30 point season in that deployment is a terrible result.
 
Miz said:
If Buch is traded, I can't see the return being that high...I remember Talbot (1st), McQuaid (3rd), Vesey (low 1st/high 2nd), Buch (1st and prospect), and Hagelin (1st and prospect) being overvalued on these boards. I don't see the 1st and prospect scenario.
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Well, Buchnevich is significantly better than all those guys mentioned. And Hagelin did return a former 1st rounder and there were rumors that Sathers botched the deal for Talbot and left a 1st on the table (I can't remember if those were debunked or not). There is a difference between giving up a 1st and a prospect for Buch and Kreider. Although Kreider may be the better producer, he is a finished product and due for a big contract. A team could potentially lock Buch up long term and at the very least get a top-6 winger, if not more.

I can see the Rangers having to take a small value reduction in a trade for Kreider due to cap reasons. They don't have to trade Buchnevich and if a team wants Buchnevich and not Kreider, I don't think the cap is much leverage at all as Gorton can say "I can just as easily move Kreider and solve these cap woes".
 
Anyone who follows this thread knows that Buchnevich has been available since May (from several sources) and was almost traded at the draft.

The Rangers are likely looking at Kaapo, Kravtsov and Panarin as being three of their top four wingers moving forward. If Kreider is traded, Pavel has a clear shot at being the fourth. If Kreider stays, it’s his job. Simple math
 
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Miz said:
If Buch is traded, I can't see the return being that high...I remember Talbot (1st), McQuaid (3rd), Vesey (low 1st/high 2nd), Buch (1st and prospect), and Hagelin (1st and prospect) being overvalued on these boards. I don't see the 1st and prospect scenario.
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Poor examples across the board.

Talbot was a year away from UFA and relatively unproven, McQuaid was months away from UFA (4th+7th is right there with a 3rd btw), Ditto Vesey (the general idea here was that he'd return a late 2nd/ early 3rd, which he did.)

Hagelin was also a year away from UFA and was an actual cap dump.

Buchnevich has 4 years of control left - that alone puts him in a category above the guys you brought up. He also has no restrictions or control over his destination, so its not like the Rangers will be dealing with a shallow pool of teams should they decide to move him.
 
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Blue Blooded said:
He didn't do it in 3rd line deployment though, but with top-6 minutes and 1:20 PPTOI/GP. A 30 point season in that deployment is a terrible result.
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That's not really accurate. Most of the season he played on the 3rd line. His ice time increased after Hayes was traded.
 
GAGLine said:
While I agree that the cap situation will affect returns, I don't think it will apply to Buchnevich. We have other ways to clear that space and we aren't actively shopping him. The only way he gets moved is if the other team pays Gorton's price.
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I agree. I doubt anyone holds Gorton over a barrel.
 
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Buch is more expendable than Kreider is with the amount of finesse players we already have. Plus, we can should be able to get a nice return for Buchnevich. Sucks because he can score and we may very well be letting him go.
 
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worst part is there is still like a week and a half before this is sorted out lol..........Arbitration is like 10 days away and nothing will happen till close to then likely

Still saying Namestnikov for a 3rd, Smith buyout.......maybe dump Belesky onto someone ......that clears enough
 
ericmgomes said:
Buch is more expendable than Kreider is with the amount of finesse players we already have. Plus, we can should be able to get a nice return for Buchnevich. Sucks because he can score and we may very well be letting him go.
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I feel like creating 10 logins just to like this 10x.
 
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