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jas said:
No, it’s just saying there’s no guarantee and there’s still inherent risk no matter how much people downplay it.

I’m not comfortable with that risk, especially at this stage of this process
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I don't think people are downplaying the risk, I think people are more accepting of that risk.

I am comfortable with the risk because I believe he will still be a key contributor in years 5-6-7
 
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Sounds like we are now a long shot on Panarin. I'm ok with that, particularly if he's going to be getting upwards of 12M/year. Happy to hang on to that money for a while anyway. We'll certainly need it sooner than later.
 
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Comparing Scott Gomez To Artemi Panarin May be one of the dumbest things I’ve seen on here in a long time.

Are we going to get a Trouba Wade Redden comparison next?
 
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Goddammit I promised myself I wouldn't get in these Panarin debates any more. :laugh: Why do I do this to myself?!

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Amazing Kreiderman said:
This just means that we can afford him because we won't have any others making that much
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Of course. I agree the Rangers can afford him now. And possibly for the duration of the deal.
My main issue is that I still don't see him as the best player on a championship team. And that contract would put him at the top of the Rangers salary structure for seven years (I assume).
It's not to say it couldn't work. I'm just saying I wouldn't make that commitment now.
If he'd take a more reasonable deal like around 10-11%, it's a no-brainer. And frankly I think that's possible. Call me crazy.
 
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I'm still confused by how using a similar percentage of cap to others similar players, who have trouble making their teams much better, equates to a better overall Rangers team?

Seems kind of like the idea should be to use a lesser % on those similar players so the team has more % left over to address other areas of their team? Wouldn't that possibly, given good management throughout, translate to a competitive advantage?
 
Wakko4Kakko said:
All logical signs point to AP coming here. Of course he has to meet with more teams than just us, that’s what is going to drive his leverage in negotiation. I truly believe he wants to be a ranger. Only thing that would not allow this to happen is if the rangers are just so low that he can’t justify the difference. I can’t see that happening.
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Carp said in his article this morning that panarin would have to turn Down 11.5 over 7rs. He believes that’s how high the rangers will go.

He’s not walking away from a ranger offer like that. I cant see it
 
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Kovalev27 said:
Comparing Scott Gomez To Artemi Panarin May be one of the dumbest things I’ve seen on here in a long time.

Are we going to get a Trouba Wade Redden comparison next?
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If you took the time to read what the comparison was, then you might understand.

14.7% for a perennial 70 point player at age 27 is not an overpayment. This is the equivalent of a 6m deal in 2006
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14% or 15% of our cap space on any player is crazy to me, unless we're talking about a generational player. I didn't compare Gomez to Panarin as players. I even said Panarin is superior to Gomez to avoid any potential foolish responses.
 
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DutchShamrock said:
No, they have the deals fleshed out. Nothing is signed because he needs breathing room in case a bigger offersheet goes to Marner. He can't exceed the summer cap by more than 10% and Horton counts. Dubas is trying to take advantage of their deals being unsigned. But it could bite him if those two get tempted with their own offersheet.
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TheBPA said:
It’s interesting to me that so many are worried about how panarin would fit long term here because of the contracts we might have to give to kakko, kravtsov etc. in 3 years.

Florida, the supposed front runner,will need to give a 26 year old barkov and a 28 year old trocheck new deals in 3 years, and a 29 year old huberdeau a new deal in 4. Barkov is going to get the moon and the others won’t be far behind. On top of that, they might be paying a goalie $10 million per.

We have almost $30 million coming off the cap in 3 years as compared to this offseason.
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5 guys have put up as many points as panarin has in his 4 years in the NHL

Panarin is a superstar
 
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Raspewtin said:
Slightly less production is an understatement. Gomez averaged 67 points per 82 games in his Devils career while till this point Panarin has averaged 81. Panarin has also been in the NHL a lot less time than Gomez.

SA16 has on multiple occasions posted comparables that shows how well Panarin's style ages.
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Gomez's best year, and year prior to FA, also happened to be the 05-06 offensive explosion which helped his contract.

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Not sure how accurate but for those interested in tax implication capfriendly has a calculator

Post-Tax Earnings Calculator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

If accurate at 12M Rangers are at ~49%, Florida ~37% , ~1.5M net salary per year difference.
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It's not that accurate. It acts as if 100% of the games are taxed at the home teams rate.
 
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jas said:
NHL GMs are currently in a panic didn’t rise as expected.
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yes, this is why i used the 2 MM because thats one of the lowest in the past 7 seasons, and good for easy math :D mean is 2,9 MM thats about 4% every year, of course there are years with more or less but they will even out
 
egelband said:
Of course. I agree the Rangers can afford him now. And possibly for the duration of the deal.
My main issue is that I still don't see him as the best player on a championship team. And that contract would put him at the top of the Rangers salary structure for seven years (I assume).
It's not to say it couldn't work. I'm just saying I wouldn't make that commitment now.
If he'd take a more reasonable deal like around 10-11%, it's a no-brainer. And frankly I think that's possible. Call me crazy.
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If things end up going the way the Rangers hope, Panarin becomes possibly the 3rd or 4th best player on this team, while being the highest paid. I don’t think that’s necessarily a good thing.
 
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I have been hoping to see the Rangers repeat the Gaborik years. now how do they get Panarin to sign for 5 years?
 
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