KirkAlbuquerque
#WeNeverGetAGoodCoach
Guess we just drafted the wrong player again. Dang that keeps happening to us!
Players fault, surely. They're just bad eggs.
Roster Building Thread IV (2022-23): Luck of the Irish
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Players fault, surely. They're just bad eggs.
Was Key dipping and hit Dougherty with some backy juice?
I think he meant 2 full games total. No one is playing 108 over 2 lol. 108 itself is more like 6 or 7 games.
17% isn’t too surprising if you saw where he was shooting from and when. He’s shot more this year and the pucks didn’t really start going in for him until the last few months. I do agree that 12 is more realistic, especially with the higher shot rate.
Filip Chytil
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Jaromir wakes up tomorrow with a pimple on his ass and says, "I think I'll name this one Little Kaapo"
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Gallant admits he changed the PP units because of Mika...
Mika breaking in on the slot, ALL ALONE, on a partial breakaway and he passes it off to Narnia...
problem is that's not because he was in the bumper. That's been Mikas game for quite some time now.
Mika breaking in on the slot, ALL ALONE, on a partial breakaway and he passes it off to Narnia...
problem is that's not because he was in the bumper. That's been Mikas game for quite some time now.
haohmaru
boomshakalaka
Every team in the NHL would've made the same (Lafreniere) pick. Consensus #1.
Unfortunately, for him, a shit team didn't draft him. A team that had better players ahead of him did. If whatever people thought was there when he was drafted is actually there, then he'll show it at some point. Players develop at different ages and in different stages. Look at Tage Thompson - 35 career points in his first four seasons and then POP! he figures it out at 23.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Why would you expect him to shoot that high? Very few players shoot at that high of a percentage consistently. And he's not shown himself to be one of the better shooters in the league.
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Yeah, he's not in the same realm as Jagr. We're talking about Hart and Ross winner...
We'll be lucky for a Marian Hossa comp
haohmaru
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If he ends up being anything close to that then we drafted the right guy.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
I think that comp went out the window a long time ago, if there ever was a comparison between the two.
It’s not 2 games! It’s 100+ minutes of ice time.
At 15 minutes a game it’s closer to 10 games.
So by the end of the year stutzle will have played close to 15-20 games more than Laf by ice time.
So is Gallant good at mixing the lines up ? I am a big fan of both Panarin and Kane but not sure if they should be on the same line 5vs5. How often does the coach go to the blender ?
Ferraro doesn’t believe Panarin and Kane can play together in the same way they played together in Chicago. The game moves too fast right now compared to 2015-2017. Slowing down, holding onto to the puck and trying the seam pass stuff doesn’t work in the game today.
Machinehead
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You guys sound like a mom yelling about their son not playing enough sometimes.
Lafreniere is comfortably a third liner on the roster they have right now. What are they supposed to do?
I don't care about impressing the main boards with Lafreniere's raw totals.
Ok, sure, his 5v5 scoring rates per minute aren't far behind Stutzle's for their careers. Are you suggesting we should play an objectively worse lineup to chest thump at irrelevant Senators fans and miserable Devils fans on the internet?
f*** your job paying a multi-million dollar salary, Gerard, we have to win arguments online.
I feel the answer is not giving the kids more ice time so they can work it out. They have to earn that ice time, imo. Rangers are contenders now, kid development although will still be a concern it’s not priority, especially after adding players like Kane and Tarasenko.
Machinehead
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Lafreniere is 164th in points per 60 among forwards this year.
If you take that and divide it by 32, it comes out to 5.1.
I know some people don't like the "divide it by 32" method, and you know what? I don't like the winter but that's what you're getting.
He's a top 6 producer at even strength.
That's good.
His play-driving needs to improve and he's out-of-this-world bad on the powerplay. No. No. I'm gonna stop you right there. He's in his D+3 and he's played 240 PP minutes. There isn't an excuse under the sun for his production on the PP.
There was an opening on the powerplay. Trocheck got it because Laf and Kakko are like 9th liners on the powerplay.
If you take that and divide it by 32, it comes out to 5.1.
I know some people don't like the "divide it by 32" method, and you know what? I don't like the winter but that's what you're getting.
He's a top 6 producer at even strength.
That's good.
His play-driving needs to improve and he's out-of-this-world bad on the powerplay. No. No. I'm gonna stop you right there. He's in his D+3 and he's played 240 PP minutes. There isn't an excuse under the sun for his production on the PP.
There was an opening on the powerplay. Trocheck got it because Laf and Kakko are like 9th liners on the powerplay.
Fitzy
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You are all talking past each other here because it's already been established that the kids are playing just as much at even strength this season. That's a statistical fact.
You can argue that playing them all with each other, instead of fully developed elite players like Kane, Panarin, Zibanejad is harming their production, so playing them higher up the lineup (might) help. But I'm not sure it would. I do believe Chytil would score a lot with Panarin.
What you're talking about is all those first PP minutes and PK time. That's whats driving the discrepancy. And to be fair, at this moment Kreider, Zibby, Motte, Vesey, Goodrow are much better penalty killers than Kakko and Laf.
Kids proponents should actually be lauding this theoretical 2 PP alignment. Having Laf out there for a minute every PP would boost his minutes substantially.
And MH is right, Kakko and Laf don't understand how to play on the man advantage in the NHL yet. Kakko excels without much space, but he hasn't learned to play with space.
You can argue that playing them all with each other, instead of fully developed elite players like Kane, Panarin, Zibanejad is harming their production, so playing them higher up the lineup (might) help. But I'm not sure it would. I do believe Chytil would score a lot with Panarin.
What you're talking about is all those first PP minutes and PK time. That's whats driving the discrepancy. And to be fair, at this moment Kreider, Zibby, Motte, Vesey, Goodrow are much better penalty killers than Kakko and Laf.
Kids proponents should actually be lauding this theoretical 2 PP alignment. Having Laf out there for a minute every PP would boost his minutes substantially.
And MH is right, Kakko and Laf don't understand how to play on the man advantage in the NHL yet. Kakko excels without much space, but he hasn't learned to play with space.
EdJovanovski
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It would be one thing if Laf was showing flashes of elite gamebreaking skill yet not producing yet, but when you see him out there he doesn’t look like some high end prospect who’s not physically mature enough to put it together yet. If people didn’t know any better they’d guess he’s a 33 year old bottom six career journeyman.
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It's amazing that we do not have any 'good' defensive forwards besides Vesey.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
Nobody has good defensive forwards besides Vesey.
Kreider is about replacement level and he's better than half the league.
Fowards suck at defense with a small handful of exceptions. That's why scoring is over 6 goals per game.
Machinehead
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If Lafreniere scored 5.5 p/60 on the powerplay, which is pretty basic, and earned a spot on the first unit, he'd be on pace for about 62 points.
That's the most obvious area for improvement.
The opening is there imo. Tarasenko is a rental, we'll see with Kane, and Trocheck is well below average.
That's the most obvious area for improvement.
The opening is there imo. Tarasenko is a rental, we'll see with Kane, and Trocheck is well below average.
The “earn it” mentality is stupid with high picks. You throw them out there and live with their mistakes and hope they pick it up along the way. Perhaps now that they have cup aspirations it makes sense but this was what it was like when they weren’t very good either and why I will forever hate David Quinn.
Yeah if you're blind and/or a fan boy of a fringe NHL player whose failures you need to project onto others.
Hes had several EXCELLENT dishes over the last month or so that other players (Mostly Chytil, 8 for him alone and it's not just Laf's set ups hes beefed since he went ice cold) just couldn't bury. People don't remember those because they don't end up in the back of the net, but I do.
If HALF of those go in, he's a PPG+ over his last 16 and everyone shuts the f*** up. I haven't particularly loved his game in the last 4 or 5 either but hes had exactly the moments you're talking about in those games too.
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Laffy needs finishers... preferably with decent gamesense/IQ.
I was hoping he would progress his shot somewhat but he make a lot of nice little plays that haven't been put in the net lately. It's why I would like him with Tank... I even think he would find chemistry with Kane.
It's not talked about much but I really dont think Laffy and Kakko are a good combo. It's why Kakko should be with Zibs and Tank or Kane play with Chytil and Laffy. Have 3 actually good scoring lines.
Machinehead
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The Kid Line is very overrated. They're good at cycling and that's literally it. I think they're a line you throw together in certain situations if you have a coach that values flexibility and adapts to game situations (LMAO!) but they're limited offensively.
Eh they've created quite a bit off the rush since being reunited.
I wouldn't diminish creating off of the cycle either. It's something we as a team lack all together and its something that becomes really important in the spring.
You can scheme to take away the rush even with lesser talent (expecting Gallant to do this is a LOL, but most decent coaches will.) Handling the cycle is way harder and way more likely to occur in breakdowns. Ideally, your team would be good at both.
I wouldn't be in a rush to break them up. I could be convinced that Kakko to Zibanejad's line, Tara to Panarin's and Kane to the other one could be a good idea (and I'd rather see that than what Gallant is currently running out there)
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