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Roster Building Thread IV (2022-23): Luck of the Irish

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Machinehead said:
Lafreniere is 164th in points per 60 among forwards this year.

If you take that and divide it by 32, it comes out to 5.1.

I know some people don't like the "divide it by 32" method, and you know what? I don't like the winter but that's what you're getting.

He's a top 6 producer at even strength.

That's good.

His play-driving needs to improve and he's out-of-this-world bad on the powerplay. No. No. I'm gonna stop you right there. He's in his D+3 and he's played 240 PP minutes. There isn't an excuse under the sun for his production on the PP.

There was an opening on the powerplay. Trocheck got it because Laf and Kakko are like 9th liners on the powerplay.
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I'm curious to know offensive zone time metrics for Laf's 240PP minutes.

I know I know, him being on the ice could correlate to them not having possession.
But the eye test to me is that he gets on with 20 seconds left with the puck behind the goalie waiting for the rest of the group to change. With them getting into the zone with less than 10 seconds of PP time and a rushed shot by Trouba.
 
Uninstaaled said:
Eh they've created quite a bit off the rush since being reunited.

I wouldn't diminish creating off of the cycle either. It's something we as a team lack all together and its something that becomes really important in the spring.

You can scheme to take away the rush even with lesser talent (expecting Gallant to do this is a LOL, but most decent coaches will.) Handling the cycle is way harder and way more likely to occur in breakdowns. Ideally, your team would be good at both.

I wouldn't be in a rush to break them up. I could be convinced that Kakko to Zibanejad's line, Tara to Panarin's and Kane to the other one could be a good idea (and I'd rather see that than what Gallant is currently running out there)
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I didn't say they created off the cycle.

I said they cycle.
 
Profet said:
I'm curious to know offensive zone time metrics for Laf's 240PP minutes.

I know I know, him being on the ice could correlate to them not having possession.
But the eye test to me is that he gets on with 20 seconds left with the puck behind the goalie waiting for the rest of the group to change. With them getting into the zone with less than 10 seconds of PP time and a rushed shot by Trouba.
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You could say this of any second unit.

The only player with a worse PP scoring rate than Laf in the entire league is Miles Wood.
 
bhamill said:
If they are splitting the time close to a min apiece having Zib on "PP2" means he's out against either the SECOND tier penalty killers or a tired first tier unit...
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You think Panarin is coming off the ice or that PP2 will come on with exactly one minute? As if GG can make that happen more often than not
 
Uninstaaled said:
The “earn it” mentality is stupid with high picks. You throw them out there and live with their mistakes and hope they pick it up along the way. Perhaps now that they have cup aspirations it makes sense but this was what it was like when they weren’t very good either and why I will forever hate David Quinn.
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I mean, even high picks should be made accountable if they are struggling. As per David Quinn , he was brought in to be a development coach, and he didn’t do a very good job with that.
 
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You think Panarin is coming off the ice or that PP2 will come on with exactly one minute? As if GG can make that happen more often than not
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Exact to the second? No. My point is you have two units that can generally split the time more evenly. Who is to say GG doesn’t alternate which PP he starts? I mean really we’re extrapolating an awful lot from a tweet that does not say Gallant coronated one of the units as “POWERPLAY ONE.“ It’s almost like “rage bait.” Let’s all get super angry over something we have no real definitive idea about yet. Hahaha.
 
Machinehead said:
Lafreniere is 164th in points per 60 among forwards this year.

If you take that and divide it by 32, it comes out to 5.1.

I know some people don't like the "divide it by 32" method, and you know what? I don't like the winter but that's what you're getting.

He's a top 6 producer at even strength.

That's good.

His play-driving needs to improve and he's out-of-this-world bad on the powerplay. No. No. I'm gonna stop you right there. He's in his D+3 and he's played 240 PP minutes. There isn't an excuse under the sun for his production on the PP.

There was an opening on the powerplay. Trocheck got it because Laf and Kakko are like 9th liners on the powerplay.
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I havent been clamoring for Laf on the PP because they have some world class veteran talent on it and have been very successful overall. He didn’t need to be gifted it. However, when your powerplay time has come overwhelmingly in 20-30 second snippets that start outside of the O zone, it’s kind of hard to judge whether a player is good on the power play or not… not that a career average of less than 1:20 a game of PP time is a lot anyway.
 
Imo this pp set up is to force Panarin to shoot the puck. His best games with this franchise he's been a shooter, unfortunately he doesnt do it enough. Take Zib off his pp and make him the shooter. I don't see these combos lasting any length of time, though having players on the same line is helpful, its always been a beef of mine that after a pp or a pk we end up with a shitty line thrown together because the top 6 players were out already on different lines. The other plus is if one unit isnt shooting he can start the other.
 
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EdJovanovski said:
It would be one thing if Laf was showing flashes of elite gamebreaking skill yet not producing yet, but when you see him out there he doesn’t look like some high end prospect who’s not physically mature enough to put it together yet. If people didn’t know any better they’d guess he’s a 33 year old bottom six career journeyman.
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Exactly
 
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bhamill said:
Exact to the second? No. My point is you have two units that can generally split the time more evenly. Who is to say GG doesn’t alternate which PP he starts? I mean really we’re extrapolating an awful lot from a tweet that does not say Gallant coronated one of the units as “POWERPLAY ONE.“ It’s almost like “rage bait.” Let’s all get super angry over something we have no real definitive idea about yet. Hahaha.
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Whatever line is freshest will be pp1 at the time, i as well wouldn't get tied up into labels.
 
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Machinehead said:
Just realized Panarin has 69 points.

Nice.
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Machinehead said:
Lafreniere is 164th in points per 60 among forwards this year.

If you take that and divide it by 32, it comes out to 5.1.

I know some people don't like the "divide it by 32" method, and you know what? I don't like the winter but that's what you're getting.

He's a top 6 producer at even strength.

That's good.

His play-driving needs to improve and he's out-of-this-world bad on the powerplay. No. No. I'm gonna stop you right there. He's in his D+3 and he's played 240 PP minutes. There isn't an excuse under the sun for his production on the PP.

There was an opening on the powerplay. Trocheck got it because Laf and Kakko are like 9th liners on the powerplay.
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Ok I’m trying to respectfully ask you to explain taking points per 60 and dividing it by 32? You lost me. My hatred for advanced stats is well known and I’m trying to understand how and why points per 60 is divided by 32.
 
Paulie Walnutz said:
Ok I’m trying to respectfully ask you to explain taking points per 60 and dividing it by 32? You lost me. My hatred for advanced stats is well known and I’m trying to understand how and why points per 60 is divided by 32.
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He didn’t divide points per 60 by 32. He divided his place in p/60 league wide by 32.

32 teams in the league and based on where he is, he’s on average a 5th forward which is top 6.
 
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He didn’t divide points per 60 by 32. He divided his place in p/60 league wide by 32.

32 teams in the league and based on where he is, he’s on average a 5th forward which is top 6.
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Yeah and even then that’s bullshit. You lost me years ago when someone posted Fast had a better points per 60 than Giroux. Sorry.
 
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