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Roster Building Thread IV (2022-23): Luck of the Irish

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GENESISPuck94 said:
With Goodrow and Vesey. Not players known for their offensive acumen.

f***ing bananas that people think Lafreniere gets sufficient ice time LMFAO. 16 minutes is not sufficient. And he's still producing. Everyone's new love child Stutzle gets over 20 minutes and top PP minutes. Huge f***ing difference. But don't let facts muddle narrative.
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This nonsense. Who are you demoting? Kreider? Panarin? Kane? Tarasenko?

Stutzle doesn't have ANY of those guys ahead of him.

He's "producing"? Producing what? At half the rate of the guys ahead of him? On this team, he's right where he belongs and should be heading into the playoffs.

GENESISPuck94 said:
They rotate on there sometimes. Laf was getting shifts with the 4th line the game before last.
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When they were double shifted? I mean, maybe they were demoted here and there in the 3rd period because of egregious turnovers or whatever but this certainly wasn't a regular occurrence and it's disingenuous at best to say that it's even a thing.
 
haohmaru said:
This nonsense. Who are you demoting? Kreider? Panarin? Kane? Tarasenko?

Stutzle doesn't have ANY of those guys ahead of him.

He's "producing"? Producing what? At half the rate of the guys ahead of him? On this team, he's right where he belongs and should be heading into the playoffs.
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And when Kakko was flashing as one of the best rw’s we’ve ever had? And then got moved down to 3rd line once we started to get injuries? Even though he was producing.
Production is a function of a bunch of things but primarily ice time and ice time on the power play. Kakko and Laf aren’t far behind mika and Ck at 5v5. Until Kane’s 10pts in 4 games Kakko was out producing him.
 
GENESISPuck94 said:
With Goodrow and Vesey. Not players known for their offensive acumen.

f***ing bananas that people think Lafreniere gets sufficient ice time LMFAO. 16 minutes is not sufficient. And he's still producing. Everyone's new love child Stutzle gets over 20 minutes and top PP minutes. Huge f***ing difference. But don't let facts muddle narrative.
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Stutzle's on pace for 92pts do you really think Laf would produce like that if given more minutes lol
he's not even on pace for half of that, Stutzle has 153 career points to Lafs 83, and Laf has played more games. They aren't in the same stratosphere of player
 
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IDvsEGO said:
And when Kakko was flashing as one of the best rw’s we’ve ever had? And then got moved down to 3rd line once we started to get injuries? Even though he was producing.
Production is a function of a bunch of things but primarily ice time and ice time on the power play. Kakko and Laf aren’t far behind mika and Ck at 5v5. Until Kane’s 10pts in 4 games Kakko was out producing him.
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Kakko was flashing what when? Come on. Jagr says hello. Kakko, right now, isn't a pimple on Jagr's ass yet.
 
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EdJovanovski said:
Stutzle's on pace for 92pts do you really think Laf would produce like that if given more minutes lol
he's not even on pace for half of that
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Almost 1/3 of his production is on the power play. He’s shooting 5% points higher on his shot, where Laf is shooting a career low.

Stutzle is sitting at 42 even strength points
Laf has 28 even strength points. Stutzle gets significantly more minutes than Laf.
Laf shoots his usual 17% he’d be sitting at 19 goals, which would be 35 or so even strength points.

We have high expectations of Laf, but it seems like the woe party is out in force, and Laf is a bust again.
 
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haohmaru said:
Kakko was flashing what when? Come on. Jagr says hello. Kakko, right now, isn't a pimple on Jagr's ass yet.
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The start of this season everyone was absolutely raving about Kakko. He was strong on the puck, and he was doing everything to carry us to wins.
But once the lines got shuffled he wasn’t producing as well.
 
IDvsEGO said:
Almost 1/3 of his production is on the power play. He’s shooting 5% points higher on his shot, where Laf is shooting a career low.

Stutzle is sitting at 42 even strength points
Laf has 28 even strength points. Stutzle gets significantly more minutes than Laf.
Laf shoots his usual 17% he’d be sitting at 19 goals, which would be 35 or so even strength points.

We have high expectations of Laf, but it seems like the woe party is out in force, and Laf is a bust again.
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You shouldn’t expect Laf’s usual to be 17%. McDavid has two seasons in his career shooting over 17%.
 
IDvsEGO said:
Almost 1/3 of his production is on the power play. He’s shooting 5% points higher on his shot, where Laf is shooting a career low.

Stutzle is sitting at 42 even strength points
Laf has 28 even strength points. Stutzle gets significantly more minutes than Laf.
Laf shoots his usual 17% he’d be sitting at 19 goals, which would be 35 or so even strength points.

We have high expectations of Laf, but it seems like the woe party is out in force, and Laf is a bust again.
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15:37 for Stutzle
13:49 for Lafreniere

ES Ice time.

That's whopping minute and 48 seconds to produce 50% more points.

I'd also suggest that 17+% is unusually high and likely not to be a career number. Ovechkin's shooting percentage isn't even 13% over his career.
 
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haohmaru said:
15:37 for Stutzle
13:49 for Lafreniere

ES Ice time.

That's whopping minute and 48 seconds to produce 50% more points.

I'd also suggest that 17+% is unusually high and likely not to be a career number. Ovechkin's shooting percentage isn't even 13% over his career.
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A minute and a half PER GAME!
That’s 4-5 shifts.
In 60 games that’s 108 minutes extra, or almost 2 full games.

haohmaru said:
Which is WAY above his career average.
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Sure but one is shooting 5% higher than his career average, the other is shooting 5% lower.

Laf has sat in the 17% range for 2 years and 300+ shots attempts, decent enough sample size.

Stutzle sat in the 11% range for 2 years and even more shots.
 
The Lafreniere stuff would make a whole lot more sense if the guy showed flashes of unbridled brilliance here and there. I'm not saying it won't happen eventually, but there has been next to nothing to suggest this guy should take anyone's spot (particularly now) that's ahead of him.

Couple that with the fact that he's looked most comfortable, in his career, next to Kakko and Chytil and NOT next to guys he defers to for some reason.

There's very little argument to made that he isn't exactly where he belongs and keeping in mind how young he is and how far he has to go.

IDvsEGO said:
A minute and a half PER GAME!
That’s 4-5 shifts.
In 60 games that’s 108 minutes extra, or almost 2 full games.
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If Lafreniere ever gets 14 points in two games I'll eat my f***ing shoe.

IDvsEGO said:
Sure but one is shooting 5% higher than his career average, the other is shooting 5% lower.

Laf has sat in the 17% range for 2 years and 300+ shots attempts, decent enough sample size.

Stutzle sat in the 11% range for 2 years and even more shots.
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17% is an unrealistic expectation. 12% seems normal over the course of a career.
 
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HockeyBasedNYC said:
Thats fine, but it remains to be seen if its a good decision to move two of the top 3 NHL PPG producers over the past 3 seasons off of the first unit.

I dont usually like to mess with success.

Mika and Kreids have more PPGs than McDavid, Pastrnak, Matthews, etc etc. Would any of those dudes be put on PP2? Regardless of the talent around them? lol
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There's not really a PP1 or PP2 with this setup, I imagine they will be getting similar ice time.
 
These guys have been in the league for 2 and half years. They don't have a career average anything yet. Hahaha
 
GENESISPuck94 said:
With Goodrow and Vesey. Not players known for their offensive acumen.

f***ing bananas that people think Lafreniere gets sufficient ice time LMFAO. 16 minutes is not sufficient. And he's still producing. Everyone's new love child Stutzle gets over 20 minutes and top PP minutes. Huge f***ing difference. But don't let facts muddle narrative.
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Of course he was getting double shifted with those guys when they were the only line with two forwards on it. I don't know what the f*** you are complaining about. Panarin and Zibanejad and Trocheck also got shifts with them.

There's also this thing called points per 60 where you can adjust for ice time and Lafreniere has produced at a 3rd line rate there too.
 
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Laf was drafted as a playmaking winger with a hard wrist shot and good vision. Scouts before the draft were saying worst case he’d be a 25-45-70 player

The problem is that his vision becomes blurry at the speed of an NHL game, and he misses the net too often when he shoots
 
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