I hope Maser is signed. More gritty tough physical wingers even at the AHL level is a good thing to have in the organization
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I hope Maser is signed. More gritty tough physical wingers even at the AHL level is a good thing to have in the organization
ohbaby
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Barnaby
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Nooo... not unless ADA signs a long term deal.
QO’s were both in the 800’s I believe... 2–2.5 max I’d think.
Both ADA and Lemieux at $874,125 gives the Rangers less than $1M in space with a 22 player roster. One player less than the 23 player max. The Rangers aren't playing the season with the same 22 players. Injuries will happen. Players will be called up. Very tight situation. That's not even including any potential performance bonuses hit by someone like Kakko.
When people say give both players more as a sign of good faith, where is the space? Sending down Smith and calling up a younger D doesn't save much money.
Gorton has already said a trade isn't coming right now to free up more space for those players.
pld459666
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From a trade perspective, no. No trades are needed.
That said, I think the Rangers would be foolish to let CK walk for nothing, but there's no rush to move him right now.
Kreider at 25 goals in the days leading up to the deadline is going to garner a nice return from a team looking to improve their middle 6 scoring for a playoff run.
Kaapo Cabana
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I agree.
Botteril doesn't
either we are wrong, or he is wrong.
On paper if your looking at strictly point totals, Vesey has out scored Namestnikov since he joined the team. Vesey scored 17 goals for 2.85M last year. While Names had a measly 11 for 4M. In a vacuum, that seems like pretty good value for a 25 year old.
These are stupid arguments, but if you don't really take a deeper look, the numbers look good on paper. If you were just stat watching, Vesey might seem like the better value. Its entirely possible that he could be rated at a higher value by GMs than Namestnikov.
It may also be true that Gorton values Namestnikov, and that why he hasn't been traded, but it looks like to me that nobody wants him. Either way, its conjecture at this point.
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The easiest solution to start banking cap space in the first few weeks of the season is to carry a 21 man roster where Smith serves as your dual-purpose 13F/7D. Operating under the assumption that Kravtsov is NHL ready, they can start someone Lias in Hartford to let him play more minutes. I know Quinn has mentioned that he sometimes sees it as more beneficial for a young player to play as a 4C in the NHL than 1C in the AHL, but it just became a mess last year with a constant revolving door of linemates.
They have 6 days off between games 2 & 3, as well as another 4 days off between games 3 & 4. The Rangers and Wolf Pack are both home for basically all of October too, so it'll be easy to make plenty of paper/player transactions to manipulate the cap space.
To me, there are a few forwards too many. I would have loved to have a 3rd line of Lemieux-Andersson-Strome and have Howden & Chtyl rotate in and out as wing and center on the second line.
I truly thought that one of Buchnevich or Kreider would have been moved. Still believe that to be the case before TDL, but thought that would have been the case to start the year. I also thought, and still do, that Smith will start the year on the 4th line.
I think that both Fast and Nametsnikov are on the endangered species list. And like I said, I believe that they will move forward with one of Buch or Kreider, but not both. If Kreider again plays to a first line forward level and is willing to be reasonable regarding dollars and NTC/NMC, I would not be shocked if it was Buchnevich that was moved.
I’m looking at the Rangers top six wingers this way...
Panarin and Kakko are long term locks.
Kravtsov certainly has great potential, he needs to start realizing it this year.
Buchnevich is at the crossroads of his career. The last quarter of last season was exciting. Made him some money. Now he needs to do more, for a longer period of time.
Kreider needs a) more consistency and b) a contract.
Basically three to make two. By the end of the season, I would hope that Rangers will know who those top four wings will be for the next several years.
Still time to evaluate and then make decisions. Kreider and Buchnevich are playing for a lot this year.
Panarin and Kakko are long term locks.
Kravtsov certainly has great potential, he needs to start realizing it this year.
Buchnevich is at the crossroads of his career. The last quarter of last season was exciting. Made him some money. Now he needs to do more, for a longer period of time.
Kreider needs a) more consistency and b) a contract.
Basically three to make two. By the end of the season, I would hope that Rangers will know who those top four wings will be for the next several years.
Still time to evaluate and then make decisions. Kreider and Buchnevich are playing for a lot this year.
Gorton isn’t telling you or me anything until it happens.
And think about this...he may not make a trade to free up more space but he may make a hockey trade at any moment.
pld459666
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I dont disagree that a trade is needed, but not in the sense that we need to move guys to fit other guys $$ wise.
But, because we have the flexibility of sending guys down to accommodate time, there's no rush to get a bad deal done.
Agreed that Kreider and the decision to keep or move him has to come hand in hand with evaluating what we have in our younger wingers, Lemieux included.
Kakko is as close to a sure thing as there is but Kravtsov, Bunch, and Lemieux are relative unknowns. Kreider would be a vital ingredient to competing, bit if they pan out, and maybe chytil if he plays the wing, and can replace some of his play driving, then that makes moving him more responsible.
The Rangers play 3 games in first 14 days of their season. Then the games start coming fast. 5 games in 8 nights. The Rangers still have 5 months to go after October.
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IMO the long term scenario the Rangers should be hoping for, within reason, is this:
Panarin - ___________ - Kakko
Chytil - Andersson - Kravtsov
Barron - Howden - Lemiuex
With a 4th line being replenished by ELCs and cheap free agents, maybe veterans like Fast. Kreider, Buch, and maybe even Zibanejad traded to put the team in position for long term #1 center or #1 defenseman assets.
I'd be hoping to get into range for a guy like Byfield in this very draft, and possibly using the above referenced assets (Kreider, Buch, our own first, a future first) to do so.
Panarin - ___________ - Kakko
Chytil - Andersson - Kravtsov
Barron - Howden - Lemiuex
With a 4th line being replenished by ELCs and cheap free agents, maybe veterans like Fast. Kreider, Buch, and maybe even Zibanejad traded to put the team in position for long term #1 center or #1 defenseman assets.
I'd be hoping to get into range for a guy like Byfield in this very draft, and possibly using the above referenced assets (Kreider, Buch, our own first, a future first) to do so.
NYR94
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Sign the QO. Brooks article. BU connection. Maturity issues. Elliotte Friedman. Sentence fragments.
will1066
If you score four, you better f'n win the game
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I'm a big fan of @Thirty One. Brings levity for me.You're a horses ass. Please never change.
Why does one rookie "needs" to start to realize his potential as soon as this year and one not?
We hope that Kakko is a long term lock, but that is all we have. There is no reason that he should get a longer leash than Kravstov.
will1066
If you score four, you better f'n win the game
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I might be crazy, but they're keeping Names around for off-ice intangibles. That's my theory. A Russian-American who may be able to ease the transitions for the growing clique of young Russians on the team. Might even wear an "A".
Oh, I agree with you. I was more putting things in context regarding which forwards have longer term viability.
There were probably only a handful of NHL prospects EVER that you can state were as close to a sure thing as there is. Those are true generational talents. Something Kakko isn't. He CAN be a franchise corner, but that is far from being etched in stone. Righ tnow, he is as much of an unknown as Kravstov much less of a track record than Buch.
This kid will not turn 19 until February. Can we please have a modicum of rationality before we begin to ascribe greatness to an 18 year old?
For Lemieux to be a successful player, he needs to play a game that is completely different from the ones you mention.
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