Roster Building Thread IV (2019/2020)

[mas0764]

There really is no money. I mean I don’t understand how we didn’t move one of Kreider namestnikov or Strome. Just not a good job.

We can only carry 22 players as it is. According to cap friendly figure andersson and boo down Kravtsov and Lemieux signed.

Leaves less than 2 mil avail to sign tony and leave cap space for injury issues. Tony is not signing for less than a mil and frankly not should he. It’s absurd to expect him too.

Lemieux has zero shot of getting a dime more.

I really don't understand why we didn't move one of those three either. I would have given away Namestnikov or Strome for essentially free just to have operating room cap-wise.

Either the team thinks highly enough of them that they want them here this year more than getting a throw-away draft choice, or other teams wanted the Rangers to part with valuable assets to take them on.

It kinda begs the question of why the Rangers didn't use a second buyout on Brendan Smith or Marc Staal, then, if they knew the answer to those questions in advance.

Maybe they think that at the end of the day they can skate through this situation by the skin of their teeth, that Lemieux and ADA eventually sign the QOs, they bank money as the season goes, and Kreider/Namestnikov are moved mid season or at the deadline. And maybe they are right.

But they are really just barely sliding by right now.

Worth it long term for Panarin and Trouba. Worth it even if it costs them Lemieux, frankly.

But you sure would like to know that there was a reason why they haven't exhausted the other options that seem or seemed apparent.

 

[True Blue]

With the addition of Kakko and Panarin, the team has, for the first time in about 25 years, the potential to have multiple elite players who thrive on big moments.

But they are NOT elite players TODAY. Very, very few rookies ever are.

 

[Avery16]

Staal is untradable (for the 100th time)

Smith is borderline untradeable

Nam at 50% should get the job done, or doesn't it apparently? ... that 11M/y contract bruh

We waived Smith and shopped him all last season at 50%. Smith is untradeable too.

 

[True Blue]

I really don't understand why we didn't move one of those three either. I would have given away Namestnikov or Strome for essentially free just to have operating room cap-wise.

Okay, you are giving them away for free. And are you also picking up their contracts? Because short of that, there are no takers for these players. And let's say you did give them away and are paying their salary, how does that help your cap space?

But again and again, there are NO takers.

 

[mas0764]

Okay, you are giving them away for free. And are you also picking up their contracts? Because short of that, there are no takers for these players. And let's say you did give them away and are paying their salary, how does that help your cap space?

But again and again, there are NO takers.

That could be I suppose. But yeah, I'd have given away Namestnikov essentially for free. I'd even have done it and retained some, say, half.

Namestnikov has essentially no value in my eyes and hasn't since the moment we traded for him, so perhaps that is coloring my perspective, but I felt like he was a worthless throw-in that was designed to match JT Miller (though Miller hasn't exactly proven to be valuable either). But he has not produced here since he arrived and he has no readily discernable future here on any line.

Even this season he's at risk of being squeezed out by the kids. Long term there's simply not a roster spot for him at all.

So yeah, if someone wanted to throw me a 7th round pick, I'd have sent him packing with 50% retained. At least that would have given us SOME breathing room.

But you are right, maybe that deal wasn't available either.

 

[True Blue]

So yeah, if someone wanted to throw me a 7th round pick, I'd have sent him packing with 50% retained. At least that would have given us SOME breathing room.

But you are right, maybe that deal wasn't available either.

I tend to think that if something was out there, Gorton would have taken it. But short of completely giving away Krieder or Buch for free, there is nothing there.

 

[LORDE]

Because the deals are not out there. Not sure what there is not to understand. No one is taking on any salary. Want to give Kreider away for a 7th round pick? I am sure you will find a taker.

Gorton searched for a deal for at least Kreider and Nametsnikov. They were not there. There are no takers unless you just want to eat salary and give away for free. No idea on Strome, but logic dictates that no one wants to pay for him at $3m just yet.

So what are you to do? How is it not a "good job" if there are no deals to be made? Short of Gorton calling a GM and somehow forcing him to agree to take the players and the dollars associated with it, what do you propose?

Folks should also try to keep in mind that JG tried to deal Buch for a 1st at the draft... had that deal gone through, things would certainly be much more manageable caps wise.

 

[Leetch3]

ADA is more important to the team and future but being in camp and making a good early impression is way more important for lemieux cause we have too many forwards, so he could be quickly find himself as the 13th forward and in the press box. a little less urgency for ADA with the lack of RD depth if he's not there.

 

[Kovalev27]

There’s no way Strome at 1 year 3 mil with rfa control next year couldn’t get some kind of offer. Just no way. I like Strome but come on if you couldn’t make namestnikov go away and you didn’t like the Kreider offers then you had to bite the bullet and move him. He’d be the next in line.

Or even Jesper Fast! Telling me no one wanted him? He won’t be here next year. Easily could have moved him to clear some more room.

 

[Zibanejbread]

 

[Leetch3]

ADA and Lemieux both listed

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Joe Morrow is a somewhat interesting invite. Former first rounder. He was a LD for the Jets and I remember him vaguely on the Bruins.

 

[nyr2k2]

Christ is Joe Morrow going to be the 7th D?

Geertsen is a goon.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

ADA and Lemieux both listed

Is that a clear cut sign that they will attend camp even if unsigned?

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Boo listed as #15 while Kakko is still listed as #45

 

[Ola]

Joe Morrow is a somewhat interesting invite. Former first rounder. He was a LD for the Jets and I remember him vaguely on the Bruins.

Wasn’t he traded for Seguin?

 

[nyr2k2]

Is that a clear cut sign that they will attend camp even if unsigned?

Just an educated guess, but I assume the roster includes them only under the condition that they sign. Unsigned guys don't generally report to camp.

 

[Thirty One]

Panarin - Zibanejad - Buchnevich in one group.
Kreider - Chytil - Kakko in one group.

Skjei in Trouba's group.
Staal in DeAngelo's.

Reading too much into this? MAYBE.

 

[Thirty One]

Kakko still listed as #45.

 

[Leetch3]

also as expected no henriksson...confirm he's going back to frolunda

 

[Bob Richards]

Kakko still listed as #45.

He would fall in a redraft

 

[NYR Viper]

Brickley is back on a PTO?

 

[nyr2k2]

Brickley is back on a PTO?

I'd be all for having him on an AHL deal. Even an NHL deal for the minimum wouldn't be bad. We have space and he'll clear waivers whenever.

 

[LokiDog]

Okay, you are giving them away for free. And are you also picking up their contracts? Because short of that, there are no takers for these players. And let's say you did give them away and are paying their salary, how does that help your cap space?

But again and again, there are NO takers.

Overall this is accurate, but Strome should have been eminently movable. I believe we chose not to.

50% retained puts him at 1.55M on an expiring deal. He scored 18 goals and 33 points in 63 games for us last year (19g/35pts in 81 total). He’s an RFA at season’s end playing for his next contract and to stay in the NHL and showed 20g potential. At 1.55M I cant imagine we couldn’t have gotten a 3rd rounder from someone. I think we chose to keep him because we want to see if he can build on last year and because we’re thin at center but I believe that’s a shortsighted move. Long term he’s not in the plans. It’s pointless to block the youth with a guy like Strome or to spend money locking him up long term if he has a solid season. We won’t be contenders this year so platooning the kids and Namestnikov as our C’s after Zbad should theoretically be fine. I’d have aggressively shopped Strome at 50%. Clearing 1.55M with out salary coming back and without any cap implication beyond this year would have provided a very needed cushion

 

[NYR Viper]

I'd be all for having him on an AHL deal. Even an NHL deal for the minimum wouldn't be bad. We have space and he'll clear waivers whenever.

I agree although Hartford is filling up quickly