Roster Building Thread IV (2019/2020)

[Rongomania]

23 is a great number. 88 is great too but comes with a ton of unnecessary pressure.

Fox wore 8 at USNTDP and 18 at Harvard. Maybe 28 would have been the next logical progression?

23 is a vibe. Let Fox once and for all erase the Chris Drury memories.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Why do you think he wants 88? It we be more logical that he was assigned 88 for prospect camp & the summer but decided to switch to 23.

Players picked their numbers for that rookie showcase tournament and he picked 88. He wore 8 in college which went to Trouba so i am pretty sure he just wanted to double it like many players do. If he chose 23 then great but i think 88 is much better and it seemed to me that its what he wanted.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

23 is a vibe. Let Fox once and for all erase the Chris Drury memories.

I have worse memories of Ryan Spooner than I have of Chris Drury wearing no 23

 

[NYR Viper]

Because every dollar matters. We are going to need to call up players for injuries, and we will very likely have performance bonuses to pay out.

I find it humorous that dollars matter now when we are talking about two young productive players and the difference of $75k per player

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Players picked their numbers for that rookie showcase tournament and he picked 88. He wore 8 in college which went to Trouba so i am pretty sure he just wanted to double it like many players do. If he chose 23 then great but i think 88 is much better and it seemed to me that its what he wanted.

Interesting, forgot about the rookie showcase

 

[Kovalev27]

How do we know they picked their numbers for that showcase? We don't. He could have just gone with his assigned Jersey then picked23 when he was offered a change

 

[RangerBoy]

Winnipeg? Colorado? Philly? Ottawa? Columbus?

Winnipeg's money will go to Laine and Connor.

Most of the Avs money will go to Rantanen.

The Flyers money will go to Provorov and Konecny.

Ottawa is cheap. They reaching the floor with contracts made up of injured players. Insurance pays the majority of those contracts. They traded Smith for Anisimov because Smith was owed more salary.

Columbus is not doing the Rangers any favors. Division rivals. JD and Panarin left them for the Rangers.

 

[Ola]

I have worse memories of Ryan Spooner than I have of Chris Drury wearing no 23

Nothing beats the bad memories I have from my 23rd birth day that involved a female Finnish shot putter that wouldn’t take no for an answer. I have recovered, but the No 23 still make me cringe every time I see it.

 

[GAGLine]

I find it humorous that dollars matter now when we are talking about two young productive players and the difference of $75k per player

It is what it is. This kind of stuff happened all the time when Sather was running the show. He was always squeezing the RFAs for every penny. The last few years we have operated with a healthy cap cushion, but this year it's tight.

Neither player has proven much in the NHL at this point, so I don't feel like we are treating either of them unfairly. Both players have an opportunity to earn a better payday next summer. It's up to them to take advantage of that opportunity. Holding out for a couple extra bucks now isn't the way to go about it.

 

[RangerBoy]

Why? They’re both good pieces. Give them $950k and be done with it

The Rangers cap space is very tight with both players at $874,125. Are both players going to hold out for an extra $75,000 each? They are only hurting themselves.

 

[Ola]

Can we just attach an asset or two and trade Namestnikov and Staal or Smith? Thanks.

We should have bought out both Staal and Smith. We save cap space in total, and in practice defer a smaller amount to 21/22 and 22/23. Not much.

I think the fact that we are forced to resign all RFAs to bridge deals will end up costing us — a lot — more in 21/22 and 22/23 than those buy-outs would have costed us.

People were so scared for how our blueline would have looked. To be honest, I would have been perfectly content with:
Skjei-Trouba
Hajak-TDA
Rykov/Reunanen/Lindgren-Fox

And some minimum contract vet 7th D.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Nothing beats the bad memories I have from my 23rd birth day that involved a female Finnish shot putter that wouldn’t take no for an answer. I have recovered, but the No 23 still make me cringe every time I see it.

I got divorced at 23. It's not all bad

 

[TheTakedown]

No it would be whatever the Rangers are paying, or $1.9m. So if they retained half, it would be $950k to someone and $950k to the Rangers. I assumed someone would have taken a shot at him for that as well but I guess not.

Can only split the contract in 2 x 50% halves. Boston has the 1st half, rangers cannot retain again

 

[Leetch3]

curious why the JD thread got locked?

 

[Jabroni]

I was thinking 88 for Michael J. Fox. Back to the Future nod.

 

[NYR Viper]

It is what it is. This kind of stuff happened all the time when Sather was running the show. He was always squeezing the RFAs for every penny. The last few years we have operated with a healthy cap cushion, but this year it's tight.

Neither player has proven much in the NHL at this point, so I don't feel like we are treating either of them unfairly. Both players have an opportunity to earn a better payday next summer. It's up to them to take advantage of that opportunity. Holding out for a couple extra bucks now isn't the way to go about it.

I agree with all of this but if the difference of getting them into camp is $75-100k per player, just do it...

The Rangers cap space is very tight with both players at $874,125. Are both players going to hold out for an extra $75,000 each? They are only hurting themselves.

This could easily be flipped the other way on the team. Are the Rangers as an organization really going to put the screws to two young productive players who may be part of this next core and sour the relationship early over $75k per player? When they just handed out all of that money to Trouba and Panarin?

Basically what I am saying is that is it just as stupid for the player to demand a high dollar contract as it is for the Rangers to only offer their QO. That's why it's a negotiation. If either side is on either end of that spectrum they are making a mistake. it's not just on the players.

 

[GAGLine]

Can only split the contract in 2 x 50% halves. Boston has the 1st half, rangers cannot retain again

That's not true. A team can only retain 50%, but more than 50% of a player's contract can be retained by multiple teams. That happened when Brassard got traded from Ottawa to Pittsburgh via Vegas.

The point is moot, however, since retaining 50% of Beleskey's contract would equate to a higher cap hit (950k) than burying him (825k).

 

[GAGLine]

I agree with all of this but if the difference of getting them into camp is $75-100k per player, just do it...



This could easily be flipped the other way on the team. Are the Rangers as an organization really going to put the screws to two young productive players who may be part of this next core and sour the relationship early over $75k per player? When they just handed out all of that money to Trouba and Panarin?

Basically what I am saying is that is it just as stupid for the player to demand a high dollar contract as it is for the Rangers to only offer their QO. That's why it's a negotiation. If either side is on either end of that spectrum they are making a mistake. it's not just on the players.

It's not about money, it's about cap space. If it were only money, the deals would be done already. We need every dollar of cap space we can get.

There's only two ways this will go. Either they will sign for their QOs, or they will hold out. I don't see a middle ground happening.

Yeah, it's not all on the players. It's not their fault that the Rangers have no cap space left. But that is the reality of the situation. Holding out isn't going to change it.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

I agree with all of this but if the difference of getting them into camp is $75-100k per player, just do it...



This could easily be flipped the other way on the team. Are the Rangers as an organization really going to put the screws to two young productive players who may be part of this next core and sour the relationship early over $75k per player? When they just handed out all of that money to Trouba and Panarin?

Basically what I am saying is that is it just as stupid for the player to demand a high dollar contract as it is for the Rangers to only offer their QO. That's why it's a negotiation. If either side is on either end of that spectrum they are making a mistake. it's not just on the players.

The difference is that the rangers will move on without too much problem. Plenty of youngsters will gladly take ADA's and Lemieux's playing time. Its not like the Rangers are competing for a cup and those guys are essential pieces.

However the worst thing that ADA and Lemieux can do for their future earning potential is find themselves in a situation where they are not in camp and damaging their potential production for next season, when they will be using those numbers in RFA negotiations next summer when those guys actually have leverage.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I was thinking 88 for Michael J. Fox. Back to the Future nod.

None of those movies is from 88 though

 

[RangersFan1994]

https://www.tsn.ca/report-new-york-rangers-to-assign-matt-beleskey-to-ahl-1.1363742

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

23 is a great number. 88 is great too but comes with a ton of unnecessary pressure.

Fox wore 8 at USNTDP and 18 at Harvard. Maybe 28 would have been the next logical progression?

I vote to make #18 available for Fox

 

[NYRFANMANI]

I got divorced at 23. It's not all bad

Can you write a f***ing book on how to live life please? This mofo was married and divorved by 23 ...

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No surprise on the Belesky front.

I'm firmly on ADA's side, he can not sign a QO or anything close to 1M/y, he has every right to be looking for more.
Lemieux much less but again, with him also, I only see the f*** up with the FO, not being able to shed the OBVIOUS one out: Namestnikov and create some space.

 

[Hire Sather]

Can you write a ****ing book on how to live life please? This mofo was married and divorved by 23 ...

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No surprise on the Belesky front.

I'm firmly on ADA's side, he can not sign a QO or anything close to 1M/y, he has every right to be looking for more.
Lemieux much less but again, with him also, I only see the **** up with the FO, not being able to shed the OBVIOUS one out: Namestnikov and create some space.

How can you be on their side? We don't have the space to afford them. If we could've traded Names we would have already instead of buying out Shatty.

We can't offer them more. They can play or hurt their future value.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Nothing beats the bad memories I have from my 23rd birth day that involved a female Finnish shot putter that wouldn’t take no for an answer. I have recovered, but the No 23 still make me cringe every time I see it.

And here I was thinking that you’re a boring Euro guy with no fun past. I stand corrected and require more details like if she licked away your sweet tears afterwards or if she slapped your backside afterward and told you good game.