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Roster Building Thread IV (2019/2020)
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DeAngelo has about as little leverage as somebody could have:
- No arbitration rights
- A well documented attitude issue that kept him out of games as recently as last season
- Two RD's acquired in the off-season who might be better than him right now (Trouba certainly is)
Him and his agent need to get their head out of their asses, accept the only offer the Rangers are going to extend, and do everything humanly possible to secure a place on an improving defensive unit that will net him the long-term deal within the next year. There is a sense of entitlement here that is way out of bounds.
- No arbitration rights
- A well documented attitude issue that kept him out of games as recently as last season
- Two RD's acquired in the off-season who might be better than him right now (Trouba certainly is)
Him and his agent need to get their head out of their asses, accept the only offer the Rangers are going to extend, and do everything humanly possible to secure a place on an improving defensive unit that will net him the long-term deal within the next year. There is a sense of entitlement here that is way out of bounds.
haveandare
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I agree to an extent, but I don't necessarily think it's entitlement to not want to play for literally less than the max entry level amount given their histories, especially DeAngelo's. Might be wise for the team to offer them a little something more, like an even $1M to give the guys a bit of something to feel good about and just get the team off on the right foot with everyone in camp.
The main differences between Binnington and Halverson is the Blues incredibly deep roster, that Allen isn’t an NHL starting goaltender, and that Yeo is a bad Head Coach.
Fitzy
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I don't know why everyone assumes ADA and Lemieux are only holding out in hopes of a 150k payraise for one season, rather than trying to see if they can get NYR to offer a bridge.
Just because NYR can't offer that under the cap at this moment doesn't mean it isn't what the agent is pushing for.
Just because NYR can't offer that under the cap at this moment doesn't mean it isn't what the agent is pushing for.
Would guess that Morrow in camp means we aren’t looking at Hutton anymore.
I tend to agree. That said, maybe he should've thought of that last season when he was getting healthy scratched some attitude issues multiple times. He's given the organization no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt and offer something more lucrative.
DeAngelo conversations are amusing. There's like a group of five or six guys who act like he's their brother, can do no wrong, and is an established star. And then there's a group of 15+ guys that act like the guy kicked their dog and pinched off an upper-decker in the master bath.
I think an argument could be made for that TDA was the 2nd best skater for us last season and at least as valuable on the ice as Trouba was for Winnipeg. And I wouldn’t at all be surprised if TDA is as valuable for us as Trouba will be this coming season.
JMHO. I know many dislikes TDA a lot like NYR2k2 describes so fittingly. But I think the treatment of him is very similar to how we treated Zucc. When Zucc was on the ice for us, it was legit to ask if he wasn’t up there as a top 2-3 forward every night. With Nash. With Cally. With Step and co. But the agenda was always — should Zucc really get a NHL contract? Is he really worth anything more than league minimum. And it was definitely just not prior to 13/14 when he was our top scorer. This guy is our top scorer, home grown, always works hard, always battles. What does he get? After much haggling we gave him — one — year at 3.5m per.
TDA more or less alone drove our offense most night last season. This year he supposedly is totally indispensable? I don’t know. In the end I am not sorry one bit for TDA, because I think we are just shooting ourselves in the foot here...
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Im not sure what's more ludicrous. Putting DeAngelo on equal footing with Trouba in terms of performance, or pretty much making up history that DeAngelo deserves to be put into the company you described above who, if I can remember correctly, never received a scratch for disciplinary reasons.
The Crypto Guy
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eco's bones
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DeAngelo had 30 points in 61 games last year averaging 19 minutes when he played. Those are pretty decent offensive numbers. They're not blow you away numbers by any means but they're very good. Defensively he still has some improvement to make and I like my defensemen to be able to penalty kill. The Rangers have a lowball offer to him right now. To me legitimately he can make a case for maybe as high as $2.5 but we also know that the Rangers don't really have that much cap space and to get more we're talking about moving a player to accomodate DeAngelo who still has some improving to do and do you do that for a guy like him? I don't think the Rangers are thinking that way---they're thinking they have leverage. So Tony can sign or he can hold out and if he decides to hold out it probably will hurt him but I can't really blame him for taking an offer that is so much less than he's worth. It's up to him really and if he doesn't sign and sits out I wouldn't hold it against him but he will be giving someone else a shot at his job. It's a business and sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.
Raspewtin
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really entertained by this discourse that the players should take whatever horseshit offer they get because training camp is almost here and because expecting the NYR front office to get creative (and this applied all summer as well) is expecting way too much of a supposed group of geniuses
Diamonds seem to have been the appropriate gift 4 or 5 times already.
haveandare
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I'm not really assuming that they're only holding out for that. I'm just saying that I hope the team is at least open to that if the players are. The argument that they don't have much leverage and haven't proven enough for a bridge is pretty strong, IMO. But, Brooks' latest makes it sound like the team is wholly uninterested in anything above the QO. I think that's a little too stubborn if that's the case.
Yeah, I agree. I think that's what there is to argue against a bridge contract, and I think that's a pretty solid argument. I just hope the team isn't totally unwilling to go anything above the QO, because I think that's unreasonable and I think it's very understandable that a guy like TDA and even Lemieux wouldn't want to play for less than rookies are making.
BBKers
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Huge mistake not to sign M Stone for at or slightly above 700 k. He had interest but management balked. Oh well, like Drury said...
Chalfdiggity3
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My issue with DeAngelo is that although he was our best defenseman last year for half the season, he still has issues that got him scratched and being the best defenseman on a team with 5 other horrible dmen really isnt saying much. So can we all chill with him thinking he deserves almost 4m aav. What has he done to deserve that pay check? Can he stay mature and be a 2 way defender? You dont pay a guy that much money and term who hasn't proven he can do all of these things yet. I agree he should get more than what he has previously gotten but to give him 4x his paycheck is crazy. I'd give him a little more than 1m for this year.. and if he can prove he can do all the things above then he can get a 3 year deal at 2.5m aav with the money we save from krieder being traded.
Mandar
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This is the likely scenario. If they are "holding out" just for $100k or so, that would be really stupid....not to mention detrimental to their own reputations around the league.
To anyone who thinks this is all about their agents.....please don't be naive.....who works for who here? And if the player blindly follows an agent, there are more issues to deal with.
Fitzy
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Which is honestly 99% about politics, and is ridiculous either way.
I have students each year who legitimately think Stalin did no wrong, doesn't mean I give them shit grades for no reason.
SA16
Sixstring
I'm always a pro-player guy, but unfortunately the system is designed in such a way that guys without arbitration rights don't really have a lot of leverage. So, I just want the guys to take what's there because I don't anticipate it getting much better for them. Whether or not the team CAN get creative, I don't think that's the issue; I think it's more about whether the team WANTS to get creative, in turn creating more space for these two. Based on where we're at and what Gorton has said, I don't think they're particularly motivated to make additional moves to accommodate larger/longer deals with DeAngelo and Lemieux.
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