Roster Building Thread IV (2019/2020)

[RangerBoy]

The team in front of him has been part of the problem. Anyone expecting Lundqvist to have numbers anywhere near his career-level after the dumpster-fire team D over the past few seasons really has to lower their expectations.

Lundqvist isn't blame-free, either, but I'd like to see his performance(s) without Staal playing top 4 minutes for 82 games.

What do you do with him? Let him finish his career here. It's likely the Rangers aren't making the playoffs this year and certainly not competing for a Cup either unless every single thing that can go right goes right.

The Rangers aren’t running a social club here. The Rangers are building a team and they have to operate their team.

How come Georgiev didn’t have the same struggles playing behind the same D? The Rangers have Shesterkin who should become a quality goalkeeper. It won’t be long before he is ready for the NHL.

Lundqvist should retire at the end of this season and finish his career as a Ranger. The team is moving into a different direction. The team is getting younger and younger. They have two young goalkeepers.

The team matters more than the player. You always get focused on the player.

 

[RangerBoy]

The issue is that we have 2 young goalies who both need to play NHL games. How are we managing that if Hank is playing 50 games each of the next 2 seasons?

These people don’t get it. They care more about Lundqvist than the actual team. Just look at some of these comments. Jeff Gorton also throws out the Lundqvist made the All Star team last year comment. Jeffy is being ingenious because every team needs to be represented in the All Star game and they only pick 11 players per team. Which Rangers forward or D was making the team? Six forwards, three D and two G. The Metro isn’t loaded with great goaltenders so they picked Lundqvist. They had to pick someone on the Rangers.

The Rangers should stand in place to keep Lundqvist happy. Great plan. Oh yeah.

I wonder what will happen at the deadline when the Rangers have sold off Kreider and Namestnikov and need to win 16 out of the last 20 games to stay in the playoff race. They should start preparing for 20-21 by playing Shesterkin more in addition to playing Georgiev. Are the Rangers playing a 38 year old Lundqvist playing out the string and planning for 20-21?

 

[leetch99]

The Rangers aren’t running a social club here. The Rangers are building a team and they have to operate their team.

How come Georgiev didn’t have the same struggles playing behind the same D? The Rangers have Shesterkin who should become a quality goalkeeper. It won’t be long before he is ready for the NHL.

Lundqvist should retire at the end of this season and finish his career as a Ranger. The team is moving into a different direction. The team is getting younger and younger. They have two young goalkeepers.

The team matters more than the player. You always get focused on the player.

IMO....our team actually played better in front of Georgie . I still think that there are issues between the D and the King stemming back to the Montreal series when Stepan had to tell him to chill out in front of 20,000 fans . That was not a new thing either and I can see him blowing a gasket once again with our young D . We might not know it but there probably has already been words exchanged between him and Tony D in the room .....think about it[2 explosive personalities] . I think the sooner he is gone from here the better off our club will be . I don't think he has the personality to sit on the bench for an extended period .

 

[TheDirtyH]

How come Georgiev didn’t have the same struggles playing behind the same D?

He did. Remember the first 50 games of the season when he was getting sent down to the AHL every weekend bc he couldn't be trusted to play a game in the bigs?

 

[Fitzy]

If the team does well this season, Henrik likely won't want to go anywhere/retire.

He's going to want to go to the postseason and take another crack or two at the Stanley Cup.

If the team looks like it won't be competitive for some time, then you have another story entirely. Hank might go to Frolunda.

 

[GAGLine]

He did. Remember the first 50 games of the season when he was getting sent down to the AHL every weekend bc he couldn't be trusted to play a game in the bigs?

He wasn't getting sent down because they didn't trust him. He got sent down to get him more games.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

He did. Remember the first 50 games of the season when he was getting sent down to the AHL every weekend bc he couldn't be trusted to play a game in the bigs?

Wrong. They swapped him with (I think) Mazanec so Georgiev could get game time in the AHL.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

He wasn't getting sent down because they didn't trust him. He got sent down to get him more games.

Exactly.....with Quinn using Henrik for so many games, it was essential that Georgy get work somewhere....

 

[Kovalev27]

I know I’ve been saying this for going on a year and a half now but it’s not an issue this year. shesterkin should play in the A and get acclimated. Maybe a few spot starts in the NHl this season. However next year he’s 24 25 he most likely will have nothing left to prove at any level outside the NHL.

Hank will flat out be blocking him. Moving Georgiev to accommodate hank would be a brutal move.

 

[haveandare]

He did. Remember the first 50 games of the season when he was getting sent down to the AHL every weekend bc he couldn't be trusted to play a game in the bigs?

Thank you. People act like Hank was erratic and Georgiev was a rock all year. He was hot and cold to say the least for the first half of the season.

 

[Kovalev27]

IMO....our team actually played better in front of Georgie . I still think that there are issues between the D and the King stemming back to the Montreal series when Stepan had to tell him to chill out in front of 20,000 fans . That was not a new thing either and I can see him blowing a gasket once again with our young D . We might not know it but there probably has already been words exchanged between him and Tony D in the room .....think about it[2 explosive personalities] . I think the sooner he is gone from here the better off our club will be . I don't think he has the personality to sit on the bench for an extended period .

Love hank and I think this is a little over the top but it is true he’s a massive personality in the room and him sitting on the bench is not going to work for anyone.

The defense did not play better in front of Georgiev. He faced a ton of chances. He just plays a quiet controlled game. He’s not screaming he’s not flopping. It settles everyone down. He’s actually really good. Lots of potential there with a perfect personality for this team. He’s apparently a ridiculously hard working guy too like hank.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I know I’ve been saying this for going on a year and a half now but it’s not an issue this year. shesterkin should play in the A and get acclimated. Maybe a few spot starts in the NHl this season. However next year he’s 24 25 he most likely will have nothing left to prove at any level outside the NHL.

Hank will flat out be blocking him. Moving Georgiev to accommodate hank would be a brutal move.

I think Vasilevsky is the best comparison to predict a path to the NHL for Shestyorkin.

Vasilevsky moved to NA in his D+3
Shestyorkin moved to NA in his D+5

Vasilevsky needed 2 seasons to become the starter. Assuming Shestyorkin playing 2 extra years in Russia puts him a bit closer to the NHL, I'd say he needs about a year.

The timing is horrendous. In 2020, you could start the 2 Russian kids, but Lundqvist is on the books for another year. Do they buy him out? Trade Georgiev? Go with 3 goalies?

Georgiev is 17 games removed from losing his waiver exemption. It's safe to say he won't be waiver exempt at the start of the 2020-21 season, unless he plays a max 16 games

 

[Tawnos]

People forget how good Lundqvist was at the beginning of the season last year before, predictably, the workload wore him down.

 

[East Coast Bias]

These people don’t get it.

Is this like how we didn't "get" JD and how he was here to be PATIENT and not aggressive? Or how we didn't "get" that we were being used by Panarin and the media? You've had a hell of a summer.

Everyone "gets" the situation with Hank. He's only leaving if he wants to leave. Otherwise he's here. Not a damn thing is changing that - everyone else seems to "get" that. Do you?

 

[Kovalev27]

People forget how good Lundqvist was at the beginning of the season last year before, predictably, the workload wore him down.

Yeah for a month or two. Maybe 3 but that is the thing with a 37 year old guy. His body is not going to continue to do what his mind wants. He’s had a few fast starts only to fall off badly within a month or two.

I think Vasilevsky is the best comparison to predict a path to the NHL for Shestyorkin.

Vasilevsky moved to NA in his D+3
Shestyorkin moved to NA in his D+5

Vasilevsky needed 2 seasons to become the starter. Assuming Shestyorkin playing 2 extra years in Russia puts him a bit closer to the NHL, I'd say he needs about a year.

The timing is horrendous. In 2020, you could start the 2 Russian kids, but Lundqvist is on the books for another year. Do they buy him out? Trade Georgiev? Go with 3 goalies?

Georgiev is 17 games removed from losing his waiver exemption. It's safe to say he won't be waiver exempt at the start of the 2020-21 season, unless he plays a max 16 games

The best thing for this team is to have the Russians in net next year splitting time. We know it. The front office knows it. It’s best for development. It’s best in terms of winning games because they’re better. And it’s best financially regarding the Cap. If hank loses the net this season and I think he will, does he retire and join the front office? Does he request a trade? Or does he force us to move a goalie we don’t want to move? Shesterkin is not staying in the A two years. Won’t happen

 

[Tawnos]

Yeah for a month or two. Maybe 3 but that is the thing with a 37 year old guy. His body is not going to continue to do what his mind wants. He’s had a few fast starts only to fall off badly within a month or two.

Mostly, that was directed at a poster diminishing Lundqvist being sent to the All-Star Game. By January, I agree that his performance had slipped, but he was the best player on the Rangers besides maybe Zibanejad for like 30 games last year.

 

[GAGLine]

People forget how good Lundqvist was at the beginning of the season last year before, predictably, the workload wore him down.

It isn't about that. It's about us having 3 goalies who need NHL games and only 2 spots on the team.

 

[Trxjw]

I still wonder if Hank is going to channel Ray Bourque and maybe look to get moved to a contender around the deadline. I just can't picture him prioritizing retiring a Ranger over one last shot to get a cup.

 

[Tawnos]

It isn't about that. It's about us having 3 goalies who need NHL games and only 2 spots on the team.

It'll work itself out. I'm not worried about it. The hand-wringing over this whole thing is a little silly at this point.

 

[Irishguy42]

It can be both the fact that Georgiev wasn't great to start the year AND trying to get him more games in the AHL.

Up until the new year, Hank was great and Georgiev was...not. After the new year, the results essentially flipped in similar workloads.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yeah for a month or two. Maybe 3 but that is the thing with a 37 year old guy. His body is not going to continue to do what his mind wants. He’s had a few fast starts only to fall off badly within a month or two.


The best thing for this team is to have the Russians in net next year splitting time. We know it. The front office knows it. It’s best for development. It’s best in terms of winning games because they’re better. And it’s best financially regarding the Cap. If hank loses the net this season and I think he will, does he retire and join the front office? Does he request a trade? Or does he force us to move a goalie we don’t want to move? Shesterkin is not staying in the A two years. Won’t happen

If it was up to me, I'd do this:

Games 1-30: Lundqvist and Georgiev. Georgiev playing 10-15 games
Games 30-60: Lundqvist and Shestyorkin. Shestyorkin playing 10-15 games
Games 60-82: Lundqvist and Georgiev. Goergiev playing 10 games

That way, Goergiev is still waiver exempt until game 60 when he's called up again

 

[Raspewtin]

Huh? Our bottom six is likely going to be
Howden
Namestnikov
Strome
Fast
Lemieux
and one of Kravtsov and Kakko, with Andersson and McKegg pushing in, maybe Smith. How is that not NHL caliber? Most of those players were middle-six last season.

I don't see how this disproves anything I said.

Howden was one of the worst defensive players in the league last year (though as it's been said 800 times, we did him no favors)
Namestnikov doesn't suck but he's not really good for anything especially offense
Strome is hot garbage at everything
Fast rocks I'll leave him be
Lemieux is one of those players that has to take a major step because outside of annoying he's not really good for anything at the moment (though I can easily see him taking this step, unlike some of the otherse)
Kravtsov is a total unknown right now and even if he scores 40 points he's still just one player.
McKegg is hot garbage and not an NHL'er
Andersson needs to have the season of his life or his stock takes a massive dive imo.

We need at least three of the players above to make major improvements and we're not exactly insulating them to do it. It's absolutely a risk and as MH said we are literally one disappointment away from having probably one of the worst bottom sixes in the NHL

 

[JimmyG89]

If our cap situation can address itself, we could honestly see all 3 up at times and Hank games in the pressbox for rest, especially if he is struggling.

The biggest thing that could be an issue is if Georgiev is playing too well to go down and Shesty is killing it in the AHL, or the other way around. While it'd be great to see for the future, I could see it lead to frustration with whoever is in Hartford.

 

[Kovalev27]

For me it would be on paper this year to start 32 for Georgiev 50 for Hank. But that’s on the chalk board to start the year. It’s only fair.

If Georgiev does what I think he’ll do, that number may even out or imo it will flip.

Shesterkin will get into games If and/or when there is injury. And at 37 going on 38 it would not surprise me to see hank on the IR at some point. Shesterkin will get a handful of NHL starts for sure.

It’s next year that you have to make some really tough decisions.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

yeah, I also would bet on one Lundqvist injury.

Any chance we trade Georgie during the season?