Roster Building Thread IV (2019/2020)

[TheTakedown]

The last Trouba thread is locked and I didn't think this needed a new thread, so I'll post it here.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id...ob-trouba-kelly-tyson-balance-their-ambitions

This is all stuff we pretty much knew already, but the article does a good job of showing Trouba's side of things.

I realize its just one article, but damn, she's got a good head on her shoulders, and he's an absolute boss for being the lightning rod of their publicly-perceived relationship status.

Good people, you can see why the Rangers wanted him

 

[TheDirtyH]

He wasn't getting sent down because they didn't trust him. He got sent down to get him more games.

Wrong. They swapped him with (I think) Mazanec so Georgiev could get game time in the AHL.

Exactly.....with Quinn using Henrik for so many games, it was essential that Georgy get work somewhere....

It can be both the fact that Georgiev wasn't great to start the year AND trying to get him more games in the AHL.

Seems like he would've been playing in the NHL if he were proving himself capable. that or Lundqvist was simply vintage Hank for the first half of the season and Quinn was mesmerized that we were winning games we didn't deserve. Or both. Just saying that Georgie had a great second half, and Lundqvist has given me no reason to think that with a more reasonable workload shared with a capable backup (as Georgiev has proven himself at least to be) from the beginning onwards (ala Tukka Rask, Ben Bishop, Robin Lehner) that he will be anything less than an above average starter.

Not ragging on Georgiev, just pushing back on the Hank is washed, updated heir to the throne watch.

 

[Trxjw]

This season retaining on the salary wouldn't matter, but if the cap doesn't go up again very much as expected, can the Rangers afford a dead cap hit of $4.25 next season in addition to Shattenkirk's $6+ mill cap hit though?

Well if Hank is on the roster next year he's making the full number. So if you look at it like that, then the Rangers would probably be paying Shesty just over $5m to be the backup goalie for the 2020 season. So it's either Hank at $8.5m or Shestyorkin at $925k + $4.25m in dead cap. The latter still leaves you with more cap flexibility in the end.

 

[Kupo]

These people don’t get it. They care more about Lundqvist than the actual team. Just look at some of these comments.

Straight up garbage. Give your head a shake for assuming I care more about Lundqvist than the team. Work on your reading comprehension instead of making asinine assumptions.

Fact is I'd have no problem with Lundqvist disappearing so we can have the youngsters take over. Problem is, Lundqvist as you know has a NMC and the only option we have without his consent is buying him out, which I don't see as a possibility.

What are the other options besides trading him? You didn't want to start trouble again by bringing up Lundqvist but you know what limited options we have. Why bring up something that's been discussed to infinite already?

Two more years. Like you said it'll go quick.

October. November. December. January. February. March. April. May. June. July. August. September. October. November. December. January. February. March. April. May. June. July.

Good bye Lundqvist.

 

[Ola]

Very worrying that JD ultimately is 100% responsible for the extreme mess we are seeing in Columbus. The players hates Tortorella and have been tripping over each other to get the heck out of there ASAP.

‘Pissed off’ John Tortorella weighs in on departed...

Torts on the players departing;

Maybe they don’t like playing for me. That’s fine. To me, eventually, you’re not playing for the coach, you’re playing for your teammates, and that’s where I saw the camaraderie and the arroganc

It’s a red flag that JD hired a GM who thought John Tortorella was the best coach available for the job. Tortorella hurts his team with how he wants it to play. He demands a ton from the player, but they are not dumb. They see that they are forced to comply to ‘old rules’ that other teams deviates a lot from and that it’s hurting their team. Torts still bans his Ds from moving the puck laterally on the blueline, it’s 2019. Everyone else are trying to be as dynamic as possible.

CBJ basically had one of the best rosters in the NHL last season, Torts not adjusting to the modern game. He only sees his way.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I'm fine with it this year. I just don't want to fall into a trap with it. We have to hold ourselves to progressively higher standards to make sure the rebuild is progressing.

One of my favorite lines of all time comes from a show Vegas, it lasted one season and it was starring Dennis Quaid and Michael Chiklis. It was actually actor Jonathan Banks that delivered the memorable line "You know what your problem is? Life is too good here. You have so much time to think that you're thinking about problems that aren't problems".

 

[Gardner McKay]

Very worrying that JD ultimately is 100% responsible for the extreme mess we are seeing in Columbus. The players hates Tortorella and have been tripping over each other to get the heck out of there ASAP.

‘Pissed off’ John Tortorella weighs in on departed...

Torts on the players departing;


It’s a red flag that JD hired a GM who thought John Tortorella was the best coach available for the job. Tortorella hurts his team with how he wants it to play. He demands a ton from the player, but they are not dumb. They see that they are forced to comply to ‘old rules’ that other teams deviates a lot from and that it’s hurting their team. Torts still bans his Ds from moving the puck laterally on the blueline, it’s 2019. Everyone else are trying to be as dynamic as possible.

CBJ basically had one of the best rosters in the NHL last season, Torts not adjusting to the modern game. He only sees his way.

At its best, I would say this is revisionist history. At its worst... yikes.

 

[Ola]

At its best, I would say this is revisionist history. At its worst... yikes.

In what way?

 

[nyr2k2]

Very worrying that JD ultimately is 100% responsible for the extreme mess we are seeing in Columbus. The players hates Tortorella and have been tripping over each other to get the heck out of there ASAP.

‘Pissed off’ John Tortorella weighs in on departed...

Torts on the players departing;


It’s a red flag that JD hired a GM who thought John Tortorella was the best coach available for the job. Tortorella hurts his team with how he wants it to play. He demands a ton from the player, but they are not dumb. They see that they are forced to comply to ‘old rules’ that other teams deviates a lot from and that it’s hurting their team. Torts still bans his Ds from moving the puck laterally on the blueline, it’s 2019. Everyone else are trying to be as dynamic as possible.

CBJ basically had one of the best rosters in the NHL last season, Torts not adjusting to the modern game. He only sees his way.

Eh, Torts is not necessarily a bad guy to bring in if you hope to turn things around in a couple years. Beyond a couple years, he starts wearing on players, this we know. I think everyone knows it. So it's a calculated risk bringing him in. But, at the end of the day, he has almost 250 wins, 2 Jack Adams award, and a Cup. I'm not his biggest fan by any means, but I don't see anything troubling about bringing him on board. Prior to Torts they had been to the playoffs twice in 15 years and never won a round. He's had them for three full years and has three playoff appearances and actually won a round against a historically good Tampa team. And yeah they had a great roster last year, but it's not like they've had shit rosters every year prior--they're a historically under-performing team and Torts really helped them turn it around.

Again, though. He has a short shelf life. He's probably expired goods at this point. Based on what he has done in Columbus, unless they completely fall apart this year, I think he's a lock for another job if he wants one. Maybe even if they do fall apart. He's a pretty good coach.

 

[Machinehead]

One of my favorite lines of all time comes from a show Vegas, it lasted one season and it was starring Dennis Quaid and Michael Chiklis. It was actually actor Jonathan Banks that delivered the memorable line "You know what your problem is? Life is too good here. You have so much time to think that you're thinking about problems that aren't problems".

I'll never look at the New York Rangers and think to myself "life is too good here" but ok.

 

[haveandare]

Very worrying that JD ultimately is 100% responsible for the extreme mess we are seeing in Columbus. The players hates Tortorella and have been tripping over each other to get the heck out of there ASAP.

‘Pissed off’ John Tortorella weighs in on departed...

Torts on the players departing;


It’s a red flag that JD hired a GM who thought John Tortorella was the best coach available for the job. Tortorella hurts his team with how he wants it to play. He demands a ton from the player, but they are not dumb. They see that they are forced to comply to ‘old rules’ that other teams deviates a lot from and that it’s hurting their team. Torts still bans his Ds from moving the puck laterally on the blueline, it’s 2019. Everyone else are trying to be as dynamic as possible.

CBJ basically had one of the best rosters in the NHL last season, Torts not adjusting to the modern game. He only sees his way.

The team accomplished exactly nothing before Tortorella. I don't love the guy but he has a purpose and he works for certain groups for a certain amount of time. Maybe his time there should be or even is up soon. But, the fact is they just had their best run in franchise history with him behind the bench and they started it by taking out the extreme favorite to win the entire thing in 4 games.

Imo there's no "extreme mess" in Columbus. They bet on rentals and lost. It happens. I don't recommend doing it but given the exact situation they were in, there was at least some logic behind the idea. Who's tripping over themselves to get out of there? Atkinson just signed a 7 year deal last year. I haven't heard any rumors about Jones, Werenski, Dubois etc wanting out. They lost two big UFAs. UFAs tend to move if they're on small market teams like that.

Not worried about JD at all due to where CBJ is. They lost two big UFAs and an outspoken coach is outspokenly upset about it. It's not that big a deal.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I'll never look at the New York Rangers and think to myself "life is too good here" but ok.

Talking about this off season and the direction this team is headed? Thinks have never been more optimistic for this team. We can agree to disagree.

 

[Gardner McKay]

At its best, I would say this is revisionist history. At its worst... yikes.

I don't know that many people had CBJ in their top 5 after the Duchene trade, let alone before it.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I realize its just one article, but damn, she's got a good head on her shoulders, and he's an absolute boss for being the lightning rod of their publicly-perceived relationship status.

Good people, you can see why the Rangers wanted him

"She was a senior. I was a freshman," Trouba says. "Make sure you put that in there. She'll love that."

Jacob really puts the "cub" in "Jacob"

 

[RGY]

Very worrying that JD ultimately is 100% responsible for the extreme mess we are seeing in Columbus. The players hates Tortorella and have been tripping over each other to get the heck out of there ASAP.

‘Pissed off’ John Tortorella weighs in on departed...

Torts on the players departing;


It’s a red flag that JD hired a GM who thought John Tortorella was the best coach available for the job. Tortorella hurts his team with how he wants it to play. He demands a ton from the player, but they are not dumb. They see that they are forced to comply to ‘old rules’ that other teams deviates a lot from and that it’s hurting their team. Torts still bans his Ds from moving the puck laterally on the blueline, it’s 2019. Everyone else are trying to be as dynamic as possible.

CBJ basically had one of the best rosters in the NHL last season, Torts not adjusting to the modern game. He only sees his way.

This is quite the overreaction and turning this into some whacky scapegoat blame game against JD.

You’re better than this Ola.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Kreider: Privet. Ummmm. Me llamo Chris Kreider. Do you like borscht?

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Look how happy Buch is. He's like "finally there are some Russians on this team. I don't have to listen to Kreider's Russlish anymore....but we'll always have Little Moscow, Chris."

 

[RGY]

Kreider: Privet. Ummmm. Me llamo Chris Kreider. Do you like borscht?

Ahhh you beat me to this pic ha



Great to see a lot of the guys at the informal skate.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Based on being a superstar on any level that he had played on so far, Kakko is definitely a "superstar in the making". I'll pencil the probability of him becoming Daigle or Berg ar 0.000001%

Acne or not, he's going to kill you. He's going to kill ALL of you. Be afraid, Hughes.

 

[bl02]

Lots of talent in

Kreider: Privet. Ummmm. Me llamo Chris Kreider. Do you like borscht?

lots of talent in this picture.

 

[Ola]

Eh, Torts is not necessarily a bad guy to bring in if you hope to turn things around in a couple years. Beyond a couple years, he starts wearing on players, this we know. I think everyone knows it. So it's a calculated risk bringing him in. But, at the end of the day, he has almost 250 wins, 2 Jack Adams award, and a Cup. I'm not his biggest fan by any means, but I don't see anything troubling about bringing him on board. Prior to Torts they had been to the playoffs twice in 15 years and never won a round. He's had them for three full years and has three playoff appearances and actually won a round against a historically good Tampa team. And yeah they had a great roster last year, but it's not like they've had **** rosters every year prior--they're a historically under-performing team and Torts really helped them turn it around.

Again, though. He has a short shelf life. He's probably expired goods at this point. Based on what he has done in Columbus, unless they completely fall apart this year, I think he's a lock for another job if he wants one. Maybe even if they do fall apart. He's a pretty good coach.

But is it really smart to focus as much as Torts is on cutting down on mistakes from his defense? To handcuff the Ds on the offensive blueline? And so forth.

I think Torts can be a tremendous motivator. But there are a few areas where the entire league is going more and more and more in one direction, and Torts is still doing the same things. It can’t have been more obvious than in the World Cup when Torts team looked like they had cement in their skates.

There are many good coaches, Torts in today’s game makes a lot more harm to his side than good.

If anything we in NY should know just how default his style is.

 

[Ola]

Straight up garbage. Give your head a shake for assuming I care more about Lundqvist than the team. Work on your reading comprehension instead of making asinine assumptions.

Fact is I'd have no problem with Lundqvist disappearing so we can have the youngsters take over. Problem is, Lundqvist as you know has a NMC and the only option we have without his consent is buying him out, which I don't see as a possibility.

What are the other options besides trading him? You didn't want to start trouble again by bringing up Lundqvist but you know what limited options we have. Why bring up something that's been discussed to infinite already?

Two more years. Like you said it'll go quick.

October. November. December. January. February. March. April. May. June. July. August. September. October. November. December. January. February. March. April. May. June. July.

Good bye Lundqvist.

I have to agree that it’s a little backwards.

The idea is that ppl are dumb because they don’t realize that we should trade Hank for a bunch of assets and clear cap space. It’s pretty obvious that that, is not likely at all.

 

[Fitzy]

Hank doesn't want to be traded.

The only question is will he keep that view, should he be benched or play fewer games, if he gets frustrated.

The next step can go one of two ways- he could retire, potentially go to Sweden to play with his brother, or he could waive his NMC and request a trade.

The second scenario is trickier. Henrik can presumably only agree to waive to a preferred destination, and so a lot of stars would have to align for a team to take on that contract. NYR would likely have to retain salary.

I think it's most likely to happen next offseason, when he has just the one year left, and we know better what we have in Shesty.

It would be cool to see Hank hit 500 wins in a NYR sweater, but it isn't looking good for that right now, nor should it be a major priority.

 

[kovazub94]

People forget how good Lundqvist was at the beginning of the season last year before, predictably, the workload wore him down.

This and how Georgiev was not good when he got his turns early own. Then Lundqvist got overworked and Georgiev found his game and carried it until the end of the season.

 

[Fitzy]

This and how Georgiev was not good when he got his turn early own. Then Lundqvist got overworked and Georgiev found his game and carried it until the end of the season.

Even Dominik Hasek struggled in 95-96 when the team in front of him didn't defend well, so certainly, we don't know for sure the extent to which Lundqvist has actually declined.