BBKers
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We couldve used some Torts in AV and also the other way around. In a ”What If?” universe We would likely have Won a couple Cups these years If They both had lightened up their dead end prophetic My way or the highway attitude
Roster Building Thread IV (2019/2020)
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2 more years? You’re missing the playoffs for 4 seasons and ok with that? I’m not. You don’t make it the 5th season and you’re officially a bad bad org.
No this team is going to take a major step this year. Do they make it? Maybe. If they don’t they should be on the cusp. They’re not a bottom 5 team anymore when you add Trouba Kakko Fox Kravtsov Panarin and basically drop pionk and Vesey only. We should be much better. This is a young mans league these days
I don’t agree and I think you are a bit unfair to be honest. It’s Columbus and nobody cares and the local media are to afraid to piss Torts off because you know he will make them pay for it, just ask Brooks and Stop Coaching Pat...
But that don’t change reality. They didn’t bet on rentals and fall short like say Winnipeg did with Hayes. They de facto tried to keep everyone, and outbid the competition in a least some instances, but everyone bolted.
They have — by far — the most cap space in the NHL for one reason and one reason only, players don’t want to go there. That is a fact. Players aren’t dumb. They don’t want to be torn into pieces because they play on a team that can’t deliver because their coach is trying one thing when 30 other teams have realized something else is working.
And quite frankly, you should be able to realize that Torts has a big negative impact on your team in today’s NHL. Obviously management in CBJ haven’t done that.
People might say that CBJ always have been a mess and what not. Facts are that (a) they have drafted really well, and (b) really high — for a very long time. It’s not good that they aren’t better than they are right now.
Kakko
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I don't see anybody trading for Lundqvist before the next trade deadline, when it doesn't really do anything for us anymore
kovazub94
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Personally, I think advance stats to date made the "best" impact in evaluation of goalies. Comparing Lundqvist's saves from last year vs prior in expected saves % for each category should be pretty indicative.
Otherwise, I think Hank is solidly in the category of aging vets (not just goalies) that are able to put up their career averages in October - December or so and then completely fall off the cliff.
It’s 2 years before they can contend , lots of kids need experience
They could make the playoffs this year yes but go far not likely
Tanner Glass on the ice at important times , ugh
Staal constantly run out there when he should be used on the 3rd pair
Yea mistakes were made but the biggest factor was Zuc getting hurt the year they played LA
haohmaru
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Pretty selective memory - who made the All Star Game again? Who was the reason they were competitive into January? It wasn't Georgiev. Sure, the bottom dropped out when the club shipped out the last remnants of a once successful team and Henrik's play dropped like a stone. No question about it.
Were you shipping Hank out of here, too, when Talbot put together a string of good games and was being labeled an NHL starter? How'd that work out? Georgiev has potential but he hasn't proven a thing yet.
This team isn't winning a Cup this year and I don't get why you care about his contract when you never want to sign anyone over 24 anyway.
He's not a detriment to the team. He's the captain that can't be captain. His work ethic and drive to win can certainly benefit the two young goalies develop into even better NHL pros. If he plays like dog crap this year then I'm all for him making whatever decision he needs to make. He won't stick around if he doesn't meet his own standards.
He deserves better than Leetch got.
Irishguy42
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Zucc got massively hurt the 2015 post-season, the year they went to the ECF vs TBL, not the year before.
Also, they most definitely go to the SCF again if Zucc doesn't get injured. I think they even win the Cup too.
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Stempniak would’ve partially relieved the pain from losing Zuke... Oh, wait, never mind.
Sure, but last season also represented a fairly radical uptick in goal scoring. The average save percentage has been on the decline. And last season seemed to set what had been only a soft trend to that point, which is the importance of a tandem, through the whole season. Very few teams had goalies who played 60+ games and put up strong numbers and didn't collapse in the playoffs. In fact... none did. Vasilevsky, Andersen, Hellebuyck, Holtby all were sub-par in the post-season. Even Fleury was much worse as the season wore on. The goalies (and teams) that survived or surprised played closer to 40 games than 60 in large part. Tukka, Binnington, Bishop, Lehner, Mrazek. Lundqvist had played 29 of our first 38 games, 32 of our first 43. With how the league is changing, how fatigue is clearly an issue for all goalies nevermind an aging one playing behind possibly the worst roster of that season... sure it could be decline, or it could be that having Georgiev establish himself at the end of last season will be great for Georgiev and for Lundqvist and may be the most obvious aid to his second half struggles.
Tawnos
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He got hurt the year after they played LA.
He was alive and kicking during that series, scored a goal too. He also completely f***ed up the back check that led to the game winner against in gm 5.
It wasn't radical but it was the highest since that first post-lockout bounce, and along with 17-18, by a good bit. The .910 SV% was also the lowest in a decade. Offense is on an upswing, goaltending on a downswing, it would appear.
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Pretty selective memory - who made the All Star Game again? Who was the reason they were competitive into January? It wasn't Georgiev. Sure, the bottom dropped out when the club shipped out the last remnants of a once successful team and Henrik's play dropped like a stone. No question about it.
Were you shipping Hank out of here, too, when Talbot put together a string of good games and was being labeled an NHL starter? How'd that work out? Georgiev has potential but he hasn't proven a thing yet.
This team isn't winning a Cup this year and I don't get why you care about his contract when you never want to sign anyone over 24 anyway.
He's not a detriment to the team. He's the captain that can't be captain. His work ethic and drive to win can certainly benefit the two young goalies develop into even better NHL pros. If he plays like dog crap this year then I'm all for him making whatever decision he needs to make. He won't stick around if he doesn't meet his own standards.
He deserves better than Leetch got.
I also don't see why people are worried about Hank. Someone mentioned it earlier, but a lot of people are forgetting how well Hank played through January. He should see a pretty favorable split with Georgiev this season, which should be beneficial for both of them. In 20-21, Hank can have a slightly more reduced workload to allow Shesty to get some NHL games in, assuming he's primarily in the AHL for all of this year.
Even with Hank's cap hit, we're still in a pretty favorable goaltending situation. This all seems like manufactured drama trying to push a narrative.
aufheben
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This looks like Panarin just roasted Kravtsov. Lol
Kreider: Privet. Ummmm. Me llamo Chris Kreider. Do you like borscht?
Tawnos
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Yeah I know. I was being a jerk for no reason. The real jump came in 17-18. One of those things that was factually incorrect but the overall point was good.
KirkAlbuquerque
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Carbomb's supension is the sole reason we lost the SCF that year and no one will ever convince me otherwise. The real Montreal Screwjob!
RangerBoy
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San Jose. His sister lives in San Jose. Karlsson is in San Jose. Rangers retain 50%. $4.25M. The Rangers take back Dell’s $1,9 million until the end of this season and another contract like Sorenson’s $1.5M for this season and next. The Rangers also receive a draft pick. 2nd.
I don’t see Hank going to Canada.
Chicago will commit to Lehner if he plays like he did last season for the......Rangers. Crawford has suffered too many concussions in his career.
$4.25M is still a lot for 38 year old goaltender when they already have Jones at $5.75M. The Rangers take back some money and San Jose gets Hank for $2.75M in 20-21. The Sharks are the ultimate now team in the NHL. Now or never with that group.
SJ has an outspoken strategy to not invest a lot in goalies which they have adhered to since Nabs was traded. A duo of Hank at 50% and Jones makes North of 10m per. Is Hank better than Jones? Is Hank someone that can carry an old team to the Cup?
Odds are (very) slim that SJ would trade for Hank even at 50%. If not SJ, what other team would be an option? Supposedly Shattenkirk were tradable too. If we only waited this or that long he would only be owed a low amount of money etc. GMs aren't taking on vets with big contracts. Hank might differ a bit, but really, how much? There are questionmarks on Hanks ability to perform.
Raanta and Talbot made names for themselves in NY. But its one thing to be a back-up and another to do it regularly. Are Geo and Shesty ready to share duties in the NHL? Its one thing to start in the NHL when you perform and game is working, its not pretty if you are forced to start a goalie night in and night out and it seems like everything is going in. Permanent damage is often done. It seems like we at least would like to bring in a 3rd guy in the mix. How much does that vet cost in terms of assets and cap space?
We are not talking about whether to trade Brian Leetch to Toronto for a 1st and two prospects in 2004 here. It would probably take 50% retention and a 1st in 2021 to get someone to take Hank. Then we probably would have to sign a vet goalie right after the trade is done.
Odds are (very) slim that SJ would trade for Hank even at 50%. If not SJ, what other team would be an option? Supposedly Shattenkirk were tradable too. If we only waited this or that long he would only be owed a low amount of money etc. GMs aren't taking on vets with big contracts. Hank might differ a bit, but really, how much? There are questionmarks on Hanks ability to perform.
Raanta and Talbot made names for themselves in NY. But its one thing to be a back-up and another to do it regularly. Are Geo and Shesty ready to share duties in the NHL? Its one thing to start in the NHL when you perform and game is working, its not pretty if you are forced to start a goalie night in and night out and it seems like everything is going in. Permanent damage is often done. It seems like we at least would like to bring in a 3rd guy in the mix. How much does that vet cost in terms of assets and cap space?
We are not talking about whether to trade Brian Leetch to Toronto for a 1st and two prospects in 2004 here. It would probably take 50% retention and a 1st in 2021 to get someone to take Hank. Then we probably would have to sign a vet goalie right after the trade is done.
i wonder what NHL players will get tryouts during training camp? I would not mind giving a tryout to someone like Devante Smith-Pelly for depth for Wolfpack or Rangers. what are your options for a NHL tryout with the Rangers
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I agree that San Jose might be the most likely destination. Particularly if they get inconsistent play from Jones again this season. As you noted, there are a number of existing connections and I think the area is the most appealing.
I could see Hank going to a market like Montreal or Toronto if there was a fit, but obviously that's not the case. I mentioned Calgary simply because they're the one team on the rise who clearly has some question marks remaining in net and could use a short-term solution. I agree it's a long shot for Hank to waive for a small market Canadian team.
Chicago is on my list only if things go awry with Lehner and Crawford. Crawford is obviously an injury time bomb and Lehner needs to prove his rebound year with the Isles was more than just a flash in the pan. Theoretically they could walk away from both at the end of the year and add Lundqvist as a stop-gap until they can figure out a better long-term option.
Still, it all comes down to whether or not Hank wants to go. If he does then the deal will be all about doing the right thing for him as opposed to trying to extract value from a trade -- which I fully expect Gorton to be lambasted for. It's a delicate situation that I think will start to creep in around Christmas this year. If Georgie and Shesty are playing very well, and Hank is losing starts to either or both of them, then the narrative is going to shift rather quickly. I don't expect the fan base to turn on him, but I think once Hank starts seeing his opportunities slipping away as a key cog in the rebuild, he might be more open to the idea of a move to a contender. We'll go from "absolutely not" to "if you can find the right opportunity" in a hurry.
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