Roster Building Thread IV (2019/2020)

[SA16]

Defensemen are never going to be the Calder favorites because it is so heavily based on point totals.

 

[Avery16]

I think I get what's hes saying.

Guys in the Blues top 6 that are pricks to play against are Schenn and Perron.

Both skilled, but both relish the physical aspect of the game and seek to engage the game that way.

I feel that Lemieux and ADA are very much cut from the same cloth. I just feel that there is a general lack of that from the rest of the team.

Itd be nice if CK displayed that more often, but hes not that type of player.

I think we’re fine in that regard with the players we’ve got. Let’s wait until Kreider Fast Names Beleskey are gone, and we see what we have in Panarin Kravtsov Andersson and Kakko.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Defensemen are never going to be the Calder favorites because it is so heavily based on point totals.

Yaaaaa but then there’s Ekblad winning it in 2014 even though there were 3 60 point rookie forwards. Or Barrett Jackman winning over Zetterberg

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Hughes will win the Calder. Not the Hughes in New Jersey. The Hughes brother in Vancouver. He looked really good at the end of last season after leaving Michigan. Pettersson and Hughes together on the ice will be dynamic. They will dominate in the overtime.

No, Kakko is going to win it.

 

[eco's bones]

Yes their talent is better (presuming all these high-prized rookies make the team), but they are significantly more green and do not have the same vets (Zucc, Hayes) Quinn relied on to play tough D minutes last year. They could be better than a bottom 10 year, but like we've discussed, a lot would have to go right (all those kids) and not go wrong (goaltending, injuries for example) for that to be the case.

I loved both Hayes and Zuccarello but neither of them are in the same ballpark as far as talent as Panarin or Kakko. Shattenkirk's not a big loss either--Trouba's a much younger and better player.

So Panarin >> Zuccarello
Kakko>>>>Hayes
Trouba>>>>Shattenkirk

 

[kovazub94]

Zibanejad has three years left on his current contract at which time he will be 29. Do you give him an 8 year deal then? taking him to 37. That's old and most players will fall off before or by then. So for me there's going to be some question of whether or not to sign him to another contract. I don't think I'd want to sign him for 8 years--maybe 6. But it's not an immediate problem.

Good point to keep in mind when posters muse on the Rangers desire to get Zegras, Turcotte or Newhook in this past draft ONLY specifically in the context that organization is not sure about Chytil’s ability to become a top-6 center.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I loved both Hayes and Zuccarello but neither of them are in the same ballpark as far as talent as Panarin or Kakko. Shattenkirk's not a big loss either--Trouba's a much younger and better player.

So Panarin >> Zuccarello
Kakko>>>>Hayes
Trouba>>>>Shattenkirk

Panarin, Kakko and Trouba are more complete players as well as being better players.

 

[bl02]

I loved both Hayes and Zuccarello but neither of them are in the same ballpark as far as talent as Panarin or Kakko. Shattenkirk's not a big loss either--Trouba's a much younger and better player.

So Panarin >> Zuccarello
Kakko>>>>Hayes
Trouba>>>>Shattenkirk

Trouba better be wayyyy better than Shattenkirk or we are in trouble for the next 7 years.

 

[Leetch3]

Good point to keep in mind when posters muse on the Rangers desire to get Zegras, Turcotte or Newhook in this past draft ONLY specifically in the context that organization is not sure about Chytil’s ability to become a top-6 center.

well obviously they aren't sure because he's not a top 6 center yet. but that doesn't mean they have given up hope for it. you keep stockpiling all the top end talent you can get and if you are lucky enough that too many of them pan out then you worry about it then.

 

[kovazub94]

I loved both Hayes and Zuccarello but neither of them are in the same ballpark as far as talent as Panarin or Kakko. Shattenkirk's not a big loss either--Trouba's a much younger and better player.

So Panarin >> Zuccarello
Kakko>>>>Hayes
Trouba>>>>Shattenkirk

Not enough “>” in the post. Then there’s a natural progression in development due to maturity from the group of Buchnevich, Chytil, Andersson, Howden, Lemieux and ADA (and Georgiev). Plus rookies Kravtsov, Fox, Hajek and Rykov (and Shesterkin). Kreider, Namestnikov, Strome and Fast playing for new contracts. If everything goes right the Rangers will be in the playoffs. Not very likely but just as unlikely is that everything goes wrong for the Rangers to be in the 6th spot again.

 

[kovazub94]

well obviously they aren't sure because he's not a top 6 center yet. but that doesn't mean they have given up hope for it. you keep stockpiling all the top end talent you can get and if you are lucky enough that too many of them pan out then you worry about it then.

I read a few pretty recent posts where pursuit of Zegras etc was used as an argument that the organization doesn’t believe in Chytil developing into a top-6 center.

 

[kovazub94]

They were the 6th worst team last year.

Postives: Trouba, Panarin added
Negatives: Zuccarello, Hayes, Vesey, Shattenkirk, Pionk gone

Does adding Fox, Kakko and Kravtsov and our other prospects "progressing" make up for the difference? And if it does, is it enough to make us jump 4+ teams? I doubt it.

Gotta put Vesey, Shattenkirk and Pionk gone into positives.

 

[kovazub94]

Hughes will win the Calder. Not the Hughes in New Jersey. The Hughes brother in Vancouver. He looked really good at the end of last season after leaving Michigan. Pettersson and Hughes together on the ice will be dynamic. They will dominate in the overtime.

By this logic - why not Makar in Colorado? Regardless, top-2 draft picks like we had this year should be assumed to be in Calder conversation before the season starts (especially Kakko who’s more physically ready than Devils’ Hughes).

 

[Ola]

I would bet on Jack Hughes. Quinn Hughes is low on my list...

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Gotta put Vesey, Shattenkirk and Pionk gone into positives.

Their production removed isn't a positive

 

[Ola]

How many holdouts will we have this season? Seems like there are what 10 unsigned big names still out there...

 

[BBKers]

I would now bet quite heavily on KK winning the Calder. Seriously.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I get wanting to hedge your bets when we are hyping up Stepan, Kreider, Chytil, etc for the Calder but Kakko has as legit a shot as anyone. I know that may be “putting a lot of pressure on him” like he actually will see this but it’s not a crazy thing to root/hope for. Can’t wait for this season.

 

[SA16]

Their production removed isn't a positive

It is for two of them.

 

[Machinehead]

 

[TheDirtyH]

Their production removed isn't a positive

Doesn't take that much optimism to think Kakko would at least replace Vesey's production. Will Chytil score more than 20 something points — wouldn't be absurd to expect even a slight bump. Same for Andersson, Howden who missed significant time, Namestikov's attrocious finishing might reboud (off set by Strome collapsing), and on the back end Trouba, a full season of Deangelo, maybe Fox would alone pretty certainly cover Shattenkirk and Pionks 60 points and then there's also room for Skjei to improve his numbers playing with better forwards. Hard to think of us as anything but improved offensively, even by conservative measures.

As for Hayes and Zuccarello.. they scored a combined 78 points for us last year. Panarin just scored nine more points than that on his own last season.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Doesn't take that much optimism to think Kakko would at least replace Vesey's production. Will Chytil score more than 20 something points — wouldn't be absurd to expect even a slight bump. Same for Andersson, Howden who missed significant time, Namestikov's attrocious finishing might reboud (off set by Strome collapsing), and on the back end Trouba, a full season of Deangelo, maybe Fox would alone pretty certainly cover Shattenkirk and Pionks 60 points and then there's also room for Skjei to improve his numbers playing with better forwards. Hard to think of us as anything but improved offensively, even by conservative measures.

As for Hayes and Zuccarello.. they scored a combined 78 points for us last year. Panarin just scored nine more points than that on his own last season.

Are you going to pro rate those numbers for Zuccarello and Hayes?

 

[Avery16]

Once we move the salary and if Dvorak continues at his current production, I wonder if Arizona would be inclined to move him relatively cheaply after the personnel they acquired last season. He’s locked in at a good number for six seasons, as long as he’s producing at a top-six level. Maybe he breaks through. If he can’t take 2C, he’d be fine as a wing.

 

[RempireStateBuilding]

Their production removed isn't a positive

26, 28, and 35 points for Pionk, Shattenkirk, and Vesey respectively. I'm pretty sure our incoming rookies (and a guy like Panarin) will be able to offset just about anything we lost from those 3. Panarin might be able to do it himself.

Figure Kakko is good for ~30 points. Krav for ~30. ADA/Fox for ~30 even if you want to split that up between the two of them.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

26, 28, and 35 points for Pionk, Shattenkirk, and Vesey respectively. I'm pretty sure our incoming rookies (and a guy like Panarin) will be able to offset just about anything we lost from those 3. Panarin might be able to do it himself.

Figure Kakko is good for ~30 points. Krav for ~30. ADA/Fox for ~30 even if you want to split that up between the two of them.

If Kakko only hits 30 points I’ll be f***ing devastated