does Landeskog or Barkov both who are both captains might be UFA this summer, but do each become UFA and not resign with Avalanche and Panthers?
Speculation: Roster Building Thread III (2021 Offseason) - “Simple Jack”, "Will over Skill", "Drury in a Hurry"?
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NYR Viper
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I think I am more game to sign Danault and re-sign Zibanejad IF Zibanejad will take ~$8-8.5m per season than go for all 3 of Hertl, Danault and Zibenajad.
So slight twist:
Pavel Buchnevich + Brett Howden
Dylan Holloway + Juhjar Khaira + EDM 3rd '22
Ryan Strome + Libor Hajek
Ryan Hartman + MIN 2nd '21 + PIT 3rd '21
Rangers sign:
Philip Danault
6 years @ $5.25m per season
Mika Zibanejad
6 years @ $8.25m per season
Jamie Oleksiak
2 years @ $3m per season
Igor Shestyorkin
6 years @ $4.75m per season
Lineup:
Panarin-Danault-Kaako
Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Gauthier/Kravtsov
Kreider-Chytil-Gauthier/Kravtsov
Khaira-Rooney-Hartman
Blackwell
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Oleksiak-Lundqvist
Bitetto
Shesty
Georgiev
Barron/Richards/Gettinger are the call-ups at forward.
Jones/Schneider/Robertson are call-ups on defense.
wait why are people desperately trying to ditch Miller?
Matt Rentfree
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E-Train
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It’s insane. I think he was on for a breakaway goal against and the geniuses on the GDT really turned on him.
Yes my mistake, thanks for the correction guys. Still wouldn’t want to pay him that.
I mean guy has some developing to do but when trouba was healthy the Rangers top 4 was solid for the first time in a long time. Miller is only likely to get better, he has size and mobility that every team dreams of, he can move the puck, and the Rangers LD isn't exactly a spot they're strong at right now
Not saying he's untouchable but I wouldn't move him for Hertl
TheBloodyNine
Pure Bred Soviet Savage
I don’t understand Danault in the top 6. If you want him to come here and pay against other teams best lines and be a defensive shit down guy why are we playing him with Panarin and any other forward on our team that don’t play that role at all.
Teams don't really employ shut down lines anymore.
He can lock up guys no matter where he plays. It's not like his individual game is going to suffer if he plays with more offensively inclined players.
Fitzy
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Wings might resign Marc Staal
If he wants to keep playing good for him. I figured he was ready for retirement but if he loves the game, good for him.
He's not very good but obviously they value his experience.
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NYR Viper
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If you look at his underlying metrics, they are REALLY GOOD. Like, the guy has been shoe-horned into a very difficult role in Montreal and has excelled.
Let's just look quickly:
2018-2019
81gp
17:47 ATOI per game
55.5% faceoffs
53 points,
4 PP points
56.7 CF%
+3.9 rel CF%
55.7 FF%
+3.5 rel FF%
55.3% defensive zone starts
2019-2020
71 gp
18:51 ATOI per game
54.5% faceoffs
47 points,
3 PP points
59.5 CF%
+7.0 rel CF%
59.2 FF%
+7.3 rel FF%
51.1% defensive zone starts
2020-2021
53 gp
16:52 ATOI per game
52.5% faceoffs
24 points,
0 PP points
57.0 CF%
+3.8 rel CF%
56.4FF%
+4.1 rel FF%
58.8% defensive zone starts
What these stats scream to me is that this is a player who is HEAVILY used in tough situations and with very little PP time. Most of his points come at 5v5 and his 5v5 point totals are VERY GOOD when compared with the entire league. He consistently gets the toughest match-ups and doesn't just take them, he often wins them and has done so consistently for multiple seasons.
For those that are not aware:
Corsi For% above 50% means the team has the puck more than half of the time while he is on the ice. With the match-ups he receives his numbers are VERY good.
The Corsi For Relative shows that he is not only taking tough matchups but he is also tilting the ice MORE with those tough matchups than his teammates are with the easier matchups
Fenwick % is showing shot attempt differential, again, anything over 50% means you are consistently out-shooting your opponent. So again, his numbers are VERY good when compared to his usage/matchups.
His FF% being higher than the average on the team again shows that while he is taking the tougher assignments (many of which are in the defensive zone) he and his line are moving the puck up the ice and actually doing a better job than the remainder of the team at getting shot attempts.
So you're seeing a guy who not only holds his own against the other teams best lines, he's a guy who EXCELS at doing so and has done exactly that for years. On top of that, his price tag should be somewhat reasonable as his point totals are low due to practically no PP time. All things considered, he is quite literally almost the IDEAL target for a team like the Rangers who has a ton of skilled wingers and needs a good 2-way center who won't break the bank.
The thing with Danault is he’s not going to hinder Panarin’s game. He’ll do a lot of the dirty work that Fast provided on that line 2 years ago, but with twice the offensive talent. He’s a solid possession player and terrific on the dot.
Strome has been a good soldier for us, but I don’t see Zbad+Strome as a 1+2 punch that’ll win playoff games for us. I like the balance a lot more with Zbad+Danault.
Who are you putting on the ice when we’re up 3-2 with 28 seconds left and have a faceoff in our own zone? Who’s your #1 PK center? Zbad? Strome? Chytil?
Danault fits our needs like a glove.
TheBloodyNine
Pure Bred Soviet Savage
@Uninstaaled @NYR Viper @Kupo replying here because it’s easier:
It’s not about Danault’s scoring. But this team’s issue isn’t scoring talent. It’s having guys that are tough to play against and can wear guys down defensively and take big face offs and all that shit that comes along with that. If he’s rolling with Panarin every shift how often is he going to be out there shutting down top guys? We’ll still need someone to fill that role primarily.
It’s not about Danault’s scoring. But this team’s issue isn’t scoring talent. It’s having guys that are tough to play against and can wear guys down defensively and take big face offs and all that shit that comes along with that. If he’s rolling with Panarin every shift how often is he going to be out there shutting down top guys? We’ll still need someone to fill that role primarily.
pld459666
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For the record, I don't hate Miller. In fact I think he can become a beast of a player.
I'm not married to any one player and if he and a scrub can net me Hertl without moving Chytil and picks, then I'm all in on that.
I'm not married to any one player and if he and a scrub can net me Hertl without moving Chytil and picks, then I'm all in on that.
NYR Viper
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So I get your point but think about how much harder this team would be to play against with a center like Danault. Perhaps the coaching staff plays Panarin with Zibanejad and Danault with someone like Kreider. Or perhaps they find that Danault and Panarin have chemistry.
The idea being, Danault is EXACTLY the type of player the team should be interested in. He can take super tough match-ups and absolutely eat those minutes while winning them consistently. He isn't an easy guy to play against.
With him and Zibanejad, the teams top-2 centers would be capable of playing against any match-up the other team throws at them, win them, and outscore them. That's hard to find.
Off Sides
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Not sure the Rangers have a player like Gallagher to put on Danault’s wing.
Rangers have talented players, yet not sure if I have seen anyone who is that guy is basically a pain in the ass to play against. He's not very big, but he is quick and tenacious. Actually I kind of like him better for the Rangers in terms of adding traits the Rangers could use a lot more of, yet another wing.
Rangers have talented players, yet not sure if I have seen anyone who is that guy is basically a pain in the ass to play against. He's not very big, but he is quick and tenacious. Actually I kind of like him better for the Rangers in terms of adding traits the Rangers could use a lot more of, yet another wing.
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
To me, going in on a guy like Danault is all about roles. Which we know is how Drury is thinking about the team construction as well.
Whatever line Panarin is on is going to need to be sheltered a bit and or not be relied upon to take tough matchups. If this last season is any indication, so is whatever line Zibanejad is on. Therefore playing them both together might make some sense because they are two players you will ultimately want to deploy similarly. This calls into question if investing $20M+ on a line that you know is a bit one dimensional is a prudent investment, but it makes sense tactically to me. I might challenge that maybe it would be smarter to have Strome fill this role for cheaper than Zibanejad, but understand that Zibanejad carries the cachet of being a more effective scorer and the superior defensive player for a longer period of time.
Then you structure a line around Danault that is more of an all situations line that can control the puck 5v5 and not be a liability defensively. Maybe with Kakko and Lafreniere or Kreider. Deploy the Danault line against other teams' top lines without sacrificing offense. Allow the Zibanejad/Strome-Panarin line to feast in a different matchup.
Whatever line Panarin is on is going to need to be sheltered a bit and or not be relied upon to take tough matchups. If this last season is any indication, so is whatever line Zibanejad is on. Therefore playing them both together might make some sense because they are two players you will ultimately want to deploy similarly. This calls into question if investing $20M+ on a line that you know is a bit one dimensional is a prudent investment, but it makes sense tactically to me. I might challenge that maybe it would be smarter to have Strome fill this role for cheaper than Zibanejad, but understand that Zibanejad carries the cachet of being a more effective scorer and the superior defensive player for a longer period of time.
Then you structure a line around Danault that is more of an all situations line that can control the puck 5v5 and not be a liability defensively. Maybe with Kakko and Lafreniere or Kreider. Deploy the Danault line against other teams' top lines without sacrificing offense. Allow the Zibanejad/Strome-Panarin line to feast in a different matchup.
Danault is a pain In the ass to play against. He’s not very big but he battles very well down low and along the boards.
I’d like to see us add Goodrow for our 4C. Those two additions down the middle of our lineup will certainly change us a bit, and for the better.
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We're trading KAM
Acquiring no knees Hertl
Signing Danault to UFA terms
you guys are batshit crazy... This is David Quinns fault
We need the offseason
Make the obvious moves. We need to swing for contact, not homeruns.
Acquiring no knees Hertl
Signing Danault to UFA terms
you guys are batshit crazy... This is David Quinns fault
We need the offseasonMake the obvious moves. We need to swing for contact, not homeruns.
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