Speculation: Roster Building Thread III (2021 Offseason) - “Simple Jack”, "Will over Skill", "Drury in a Hurry"?

[Boris Zubov]

Agree with you there, but I do wonder how much they are able to look into this while he is SJ's property.

Well there's a negotiating window where the Rangers can ask SJs permission, plus the required physicals that every player needs to undergo. If it even gets to that point that's the least of the teams' concerns, I would think.

 

[Calad]

It's silly because you're giving up assets for a player that has the same role as a player we currently employ, and said player is the best in the world at that role.

Before you yell at me again, I just want you to stop and think about this. We have Adam Fox. We have Jacob Trouba. Before he ran himself off the team, we were likely trading DeAngelo anyway because we had nowhere to put him. Dumba has a M-NTC. He's not coming to a team that doesn't have a role for him.

I get it, it's good to be creative, and it is, I will certainly give you that. That being said, it makes no sense for the Wild, it makes no sense for the Rangers, and I don't understand why you're talking this so personally.

His ntc doesn't kick in until next season, and it's a 10 team list. Highly doubt that the Rangers would be on the 10 but it doesn't matter because it wouldn't apply in this scenario at all.

Fox is an all situations bonafide #1 RD. Trouba is utilized as a strong D-zone tough match up minute eating player. Dumba is a good skating 2 way D that has particularly good offensive instincts. He can be used in situations where Trouba shouldn't. He would fit right in the lineup where Deangelo was and probably do it better without being as much of a detriment in his own zone as Tony was.

No one is yelling at you, your words arent as impactful as you seem to think you are. It's just that your "analysis" on this is dead wrong

 

[Machinehead]

His ntc doesn't kick in until next season, and it's a 10 team list. Highly doubt that the Rangers would be on the 10 but it doesn't matter because it wouldn't apply in this scenario at all.

Fox is an all situations bonafide #1 RD. Trouba is utilized as a strong D-zone tough match up minute eating player. Dumba is a good skating 2 way D that has particularly good offensive instincts. He can be used in situations where Trouba shouldn't. He would fit right in the lineup where Deangelo was and probably do it better without being as much of a detriment in his own zone as Tony was.

No one is yelling at you, your words arent as impactful as you seem to think you are. It's just that your "analysis" on this is dead wrong

Well you can think that but I feel I'm in the majority in thinking that a team loaded at RD shouldn't trade for a RD with a lot of value.

 

[Alluckks]

After much consideration, if I wanted to build a lineup capable of winning the division and taking the next step to true contender, while also keep the high upside of our future young studs, this is in the realm of what I would like to see.

Don't crush my fantasy, thanks

San Jose: Kravstov + Zac Jones + 16th overall for Hertl (prenegotiated extension)
Nashville: Zibanejad + Howden for Ekholm + 2022 1st + 2021 2nd
Calgary: Strome + Buchnevich for Matt Tkachuk
Vegas: Gauthier for Ryan Reaves
Sign Danault
Sign Coleman

Laf Hertl Tkachuk
Panarin Chytil Kakko
Kreider Danault Coleman
Reaves Barron Blackwell

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Ekholm Lundkvist

 

[pld459666]

3 knee surgeries in 6 years and hes due for an extension next year? Big pass.

In the last 6 years, he misses, on average, 11 games a year.

One would think with the picture you paint that he misses more games than he plays.

 

[Synergy27]

His ntc doesn't kick in until next season, and it's a 10 team list. Highly doubt that the Rangers would be on the 10 but it doesn't matter because it wouldn't apply in this scenario at all.

Fox is an all situations bonafide #1 RD. Trouba is utilized as a strong D-zone tough match up minute eating player. Dumba is a good skating 2 way D that has particularly good offensive instincts. He can be used in situations where Trouba shouldn't. He would fit right in the lineup where Deangelo was and probably do it better without being as much of a detriment in his own zone as Tony was.

No one is yelling at you, your words arent as impactful as you seem to think you are. It's just that your "analysis" on this is dead wrong

With Schneider and Lundkvist banging on the door I have zero interest in another RD that needs to be paid.

A cheap but steady bottom pairing guy to stabilize the third pair and rotate in? Sure.

 

[Leetch3]

In every post, you imply how worthless Strome is but you also think we're getting Dumba for him.

Yes, we could use more depth but Dumba isn't depth. He plays 22:17 a game.

If he's that coveted, somebody will offer more than Strome.

It's just a silly idea.

yeah that is the key. they aren't trading him for strome. he's been rumored to be available for years, they will demand a haul. I think they would protect 4 d and risk losing a better forward than trade dumba for strome.

from our standpoint it really only makes sense if we get him at a discount, then after protecting him flip him somewhere else (maybe with retention) to land a center we are looking for

 

[Leetch3]

The speculation that one of Nils and Schneider are destined to be traded is just that- speculation.

Edge has hinted that guys aren’t untouchable but beyond that you can only really guess. Plus drury is in charge now and who knows what his plan is.

We have the luxury of picking and choosing our defensemen moving forward, and I’m not opposed to good trades, but we had livid Hajek playing almost the whole season so let’s not pretend we are ready yet

we definitely aren't going to be in a rush to move either....if they get moved now, IMO, it will be because a deal came up that we couldn't turn down.

either guy, or both, could play next year in hartford without any harm to their development...same can be said for jones and robertson. and it might even be what's best for them...their play in camp and next season could change things in a hurry if they show they are ready, but right now we are no where near being forced to make a decision on any of them.

 

[GAGLine]

Well you can think that but I feel I'm in the majority in thinking that a team loaded at RD shouldn't trade for a RD with a lot of value.

If we can trade Strome for Dumba before the expansion draft, then flip him somewhere else after the expansion draft to get what we really need, I'm all for it. But we don't need a guy on our 3rd pair making 6 mil per for the next 2 years.

 

[leetch99]

This year playoff revenue was not really gate playoff revenue

I can certainly entertain the idea that Dolan was impulsive, yet I'm not sure he was wrong. The team looked like a perimeter team who was not willing to do hockey stuff required to beat teams who do hockey stuff, We can all assign blame wherever yet, GM, president have the ultimate responsibility there I'd think whether it was roster or coaching.

And that is not to say I think they were doing it all wrong, more so I think they attached themselves to the wrong horses. Panarin being the biggest one, he is great, yet not in the way others can replicate. Much like say Gaborik he is great in what he can do, which is not what others can do, yet they all lean toward trying to.

Panarin was 27-28 when signed, they were drafting kids who were 18. It never made much sense unless they were going to build around players also in their prime.

Anyway I know we will not agree on much of this, it's all good. I would not have fired JD and Gorton due to the Islanders or Caps, I would have fired them because this was two separate teams being built, and I do not think that is why Dolan did so. He likely thinks, I paid a lot of money to see those players and this team not compete, and/or get crushed while not even making the playoffs.

Panarin is a nice piece to have but maybe not for where we are in this rebuild . His money will be needed in a few other crucial spots along the way .Him and Mika new deal tie up like 20 ? Million that certainly could be used to lock in a core group that sets us up much better for 7-10 years .

We have Lafreniere and Barron as kids on the left side for hopefully a long time . CK is not waiving ...Panarin is the guy that likely can be moved and recouped on via a 2022 -23 seasons contender wannabe at the draft . He might fetch us that young center we need much more so than Panarin . It likely also allows us to retain Buch . It seems like a huge trade but I think the short term pain from it will be offset by a new coach and the continuing emergence /progression of our youth .

Anyways...just thinking outside the box and how we need to shape our club moving forward and the best possible solution .

 

[Leetch3]

Panarin is a nice piece to have but maybe not for where we are in this rebuild . His money will be needed in a few other crucial spots along the way .Him and Mika new deal tie up like 20 ? Million that certainly could be used to lock in a core group that sets us up much better for 7-10 years .

We have Lafreniere and Barron as kids on the left side for hopefully a long time . CK is not waiving ...Panarin is the guy that likely can be moved and recouped on via a 2022 -23 seasons contender wannabe at the draft . He might fetch us that young center we need much more so than Panarin . It likely also allows us to retain Buch . It seems like a huge trade but I think the short term pain from it will be offset by a new coach and the continuing emergence /progression of our youth .

Anyways...just thinking outside the box and how we need to shape our club moving forward and the best possible solution .

CK is not waiving but panarin is?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Calgary: Strome + Buchnevich for Matt Tkachuk

this deal is never happening

 

[leetch99]

CK is not waiving but panarin is?

Once we tell the Russian mob where he hid all his family he will oblige. LOL...NMC's are always iffy....I'm hoping he would waive ....

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Sharks are disillusioned. They believe they can still compete. Don’t see them giving up Hertl.

Red Wings just made Larkin their captain and are still in the beginning stages of their rebuild. Personally don’t see him being traded anytime soon either.

But these are just my opinions.

 

[Leetch3]

Once we tell the Russian mob where he hid all his family he will oblige. LOL...NMC's are always iffy....I'm hoping he would waive ....

well you will never find out because there is zero chance the rangers would ever ask him. trading him is such a bad idea. you know how bad we would be without him?

 

[leetch99]

well you will never find out because there is zero chance the rangers would ever ask him. trading him is such a bad idea. you know how bad we would be without him?

With the youth progression and a new coach...not near as bad as some might think. Buch-KK-Kravs-Laf-Chytil will ALL be better next season and a return for a young C in a trade of Panarin...I think I would take my chances that those 6 would cover for the loss of Panarin offense .

 

[TheBloodyNine]

With the youth progression and a new coach...not near as bad as some might think. Buch-KK-Kravs-Laf-Chytil will ALL be better next season and a return for a young C in a trade of Panarin...I think I would take my chances that those 6 would cover for the loss of Panarin offense .

This is…never happening.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

His ntc doesn't kick in until next season, and it's a 10 team list. Highly doubt that the Rangers would be on the 10 but it doesn't matter because it wouldn't apply in this scenario at all.

Fox is an all situations bonafide #1 RD. Trouba is utilized as a strong D-zone tough match up minute eating player. Dumba is a good skating 2 way D that has particularly good offensive instincts. He can be used in situations where Trouba shouldn't. He would fit right in the lineup where Deangelo was and probably do it better without being as much of a detriment in his own zone as Tony was.

No one is yelling at you, your words arent as impactful as you seem to think you are. It's just that your "analysis" on this is dead wrong

So, why are the Rangers trading from their organizational position of weakness to add to their organizational position of strength? Seems pretty stupid.

 

[Leetch3]

With the youth progression and a new coach...not near as bad as some might think. Buch-KK-Kravs-Laf-Chytil will ALL be better next season and a return for a young C in a trade of Panarin...I think I would take my chances that those 6 would cover for the loss of Panarin offense .

lol those 5 guys combined might score more than panarin but zero chance they are better than him individually. panarin's 82 game pace this year was 113 points, slightly better than his pace the year before. pretty sure that would be the 2nd highest point total in franchise history after Jagr's 123. you couldn't possibly be more wrong here

 

[RangersFan1994]

if the Nucks are stupid to move Bo Hovrat, he'd be a great fit here





UFA in 2 years

 

[rangers1314]

Rangers arrange Rick Tocchet meeting in fluid coach search

Larry says Drury has been in contact with Torts and Roy, but doesn't consider those conversations "interviews".

 

[McRanger92]

Jones played the right side for us all season because we didnt have any RD depth when Trouba went down.

Again, "Generic good vet LD" is gonna be hard to argue vs for one player, so give me an example of 1 or 2 vet LD that would be available for Strome?

If Dumba is lost to expansion it would be Shea Theodore 2.0. Big mistake to let an opportunity like this go by. He's an analytics darling too, you'd love him

Love the thought process behind adding Dumba, 2 years left at 6 mil, UFA after that. Strome is a guy that probably doesnt have as a high a value as people think, if you could flip him for two years of Dumba it frees you up to trade a D prospect or 2 for an upgrade in the top 6. Dumba is a leader and a guy, like Trouba, that you want in the playoffs.

 

[McRanger92]

Trouba is a good, solid top 4 defenseman, but he's actually a great example of the last time we did something that didn't make sense but "hey, it's an opportunity!"

Like, yeah, let's just ignore organizational depth (which was strong at RHD even then, before the DeAngelo debacle) because the Jets made this guy available.

One Adam Fox later, we wish we hadn't. Not because Trouba is bad, but again, because of commensurate value.

Saying the Rangers had strong organizational depth at RHD when they acquired Trouba is some big time revisionist history. They had head case DeAngelo and Pionk who everyone wanted to run out of town. The way the team played that situation, its clear they wanted both Trouba & Fox. Rightfully so, because 2 years later our defense would be a dumpster fire without them

 

[leetch99]

This is…never happening.

LOL..in the last couple of years stuff that was never happening ....happened .

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Are we sure this board has listened to why JD and Gorton were fired? LOL. Whether it’s right or wrong we want it or not, they’re going to try to take the next step. There will be changes and big game hunting. We got to accept it.

we’ve gone from needing a top 6 center to trading Zibanejad and now Panarin bc I guess they can’t play after they reach 30 or something?