Speculation: Roster Building Thread III (2021 Offseason) - “Simple Jack”, "Will over Skill", "Drury in a Hurry"?
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This. I would love to see a 4th line of
Goodrow-Barron- a vet like Derek Grant/ or a kid like Ruesschoff. Get some young blood with some energy and sandpaper and have the vet ride shotgun that does it all with playoff/cup experience
Wonder what they would want for Elkholm and Jarnkrok. Both players fill a need for us
Yeah, and even if Drury wouldn’t set a time table on it — making the POs next season is a goal.
Every move is make has repercussions on our start to next season. A PO spot is not won or lost the first 4 weeks of a season, but you are darn close to miss it with a bad start. There are stats on these things, teams with bad starts don’t often make the POs.
Goaltending, PP, PK, a fundamental structure lines 1-4 and 1-3 among the D pairing — you will get an OK start, and with a little puck luck a good one, even if you are not that good. But all of a sudden you have lost your 4th line C and the one brought in to replace him isn’t good at all, so the top 3 lines have to play a lot more, say that another PKer gets hurt and you struggle on the PK too, the goalie is of to a little shaky start. All of a sudden you start 2-4, pressure mounts, players not scoring are called out and before you know it it’s 4-10 and then 8-16 and you basically have to be a top 3 in the league the rest of the way to get in.
We will have new coach. That in itself means a lot of changes.
Ultimately I would say that it’s 60/40 that we make one change in the top 9 up front, but I could also see the top 9 being left unchanged (i.e. nobody new breaking into it).
I don't think people are trying to ditch Miller. Nobody is trading Miller to get rid of him.
Because of his immense potential he holds the most value of our dmen not named Fox. We need a top 6 center which will take a ton to obtain in a trade. It just so happens Miller plays a position where we have good prospect depth. But neither of his "replacements" (jones, Robertson) hold his value because they dont have the elite potential Miller has.
Now, many on the board do not think Miller will ever hit his full potential. As his decision making is pretty poor/raw. After his great start, he continuously let people get behind him, and was caught flatfooted in no mans land. The fact he has such a long reach and good speed allows him to cover for his mistakes more easily, but his mistakes were frequent and very noticeable.
So those two things (replacements, not reaching potential) combined with his very high value make him a prime trade chip to land the coveted top line center.
Would you rather trade miller, 1st and with a mid prospect, or trade Chytil + a Robertson/Jones/Lundkvist, 1st and another mid tier prospect to, because that is about what the difference is in value. And it is all due to the "elite potential" of miller, which he probably won't ever hit full elite potential.
Anyway, that's my two cents. The only way I would trade Miller is to get an Eichel or Larkin. And i don't even want Eichel. Though I would strongly contemplate a 1 for 1 with Lundell or Zegras. That would be a really tough decision. Not saying those two are even in play, but that level of center prospect.
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The arc by this board on Miller is one of the more completely insane ones I've seen since I've been here.
He started the season at 20, with no minors experience, having not played competitively in what, 18 months? Expectations were somewhat low I think. Many didn't expect him to be NHL ready right out of the gate.
He started off really really strong. People went completely overboard, anointed him a 1D and the lefty Fox by Xmas.
He hit a predictable wall, b/c he's never played this many games and had over a year off, lost his partner in Trouba, started playing very poorly.
and people went insane and he sucks, he's not an NHL dman, he's trade bait, etc.
Totally, completely insane reaction to this kid.
He started the season at 20, with no minors experience, having not played competitively in what, 18 months? Expectations were somewhat low I think. Many didn't expect him to be NHL ready right out of the gate.
He started off really really strong. People went completely overboard, anointed him a 1D and the lefty Fox by Xmas.
He hit a predictable wall, b/c he's never played this many games and had over a year off, lost his partner in Trouba, started playing very poorly.
and people went insane and he sucks, he's not an NHL dman, he's trade bait, etc.
Totally, completely insane reaction to this kid.
He’s a very versatile player too. Can play all three forward positions. Won’t look out of place if he sees some time on the third line if there are injuries.
17 fights last 3 seasons. He’d be a terrific addition for the right cost+term.
I am with you on the energy level, but I am thinking that he is more like Kevin Spacey in House of cards. I.e. interviewing ex agency people. Creating an off the books emergency fund in the Caribbean. Would definitely not be surprised if we started to see headlines like ‘The Islanders mourns Lou Lamoriello after fatal subway accident”, “Barzal claims he is as surprised as everyone else after positive PED test, appeals season long suspension”, “Jack Hughes and George Parros linked to Jeffery Epstein’s pedophile ring”, ‘Police confirms: They have not heard from Wilson’s kidnappers after initial ransom demand, investigator question IRA connection”.
Some will say that my imagination is too lively, but I don’t know, you just get this vibe about Drury.
Yeah, or the top lines are the shut down lines (also).
There is also one in midtown on 38th. You certainly can be in a hurry after having it.
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It certainly wasn't as strong as it is now, which would make the proposed trade even worse.
Yeah, and Gallagher too right?
This is exactly the “only” counter that works against Bos’ 1st line, Barzal’s line, Aho’s line, Tampa’s top lines and so forth.
Those two (Gallagher definitely plays a big part too) are really good at (a) taking away time and space from the opposing team and (b) turn the play extremely fast.
rangers1314
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how about a low buy type Matthew Phillips playing his 1st NHL game today vs the Canucks
Matthew Phillips Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com
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A 23 year old center who is listed at 5'7" 140 lbs and has played 0 NHL games? The odds of him becoming an impact player at the NHL level is minimal. We need to aim higher.
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I remember when Kyle Flanagan got to the Saints he was built like that kid- I really hope that 140lb mark is a typo or he's in some trouble when he gets hit.
Shayna got a pretty great article on our cap situation at the Athletic. Those contract projection tools seem to be pretty sick!
The Rangers' cap situation heading into the offseason: How signings or trades now add to long-term uncertainty
Look at our cap situation next year, it’s very illustrative of where we are at. 15 players signed, no goalies and Kakko and Kravy are unsigned. 3.4m of cap space. Of course Fox contract is nuts, but you get the point, maybe 8-10m of cap space.
The year after that Laf and co are RFAs. The Cap will also remain flat for that season.
If money comes in with term, money basically have to go out. It’s as simple as that.
The Rangers' cap situation heading into the offseason: How signings or trades now add to long-term uncertainty
Look at our cap situation next year, it’s very illustrative of where we are at. 15 players signed, no goalies and Kakko and Kravy are unsigned. 3.4m of cap space. Of course Fox contract is nuts, but you get the point, maybe 8-10m of cap space.
The year after that Laf and co are RFAs. The Cap will also remain flat for that season.
If money comes in with term, money basically have to go out. It’s as simple as that.
NYR Viper
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Trading Buch and Howden alleviates some concerns for sure
The other thing that helps is that next year will be Trouba’s 3rd season with the team. It will be Kreider’s 2nd on his new contract. That means only 2 seasons beyond that until their NMC’s bounce to partial NTC. So really the concern will be that single year where there is some overlap.
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back afta dis. . .
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and both the President and GM got fired so the reaction went beyond board members
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Fitzy
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Uhhhhhhhhhhh
Adam Fox is not becoming the highest paid player in the NHL directly off his ELC.
What the hell?
Good point! Had not thought of that.
Due to recent memories, it’s hard to not be a little afraid of that they would be “untradeable” at that point. But I really hope not.
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